Another Roy Williams thread...

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree and I have not ventured to NFL.com like most to look at his stats as compared to other Safeties in this league.

I think Roy Williams' play has been very underwhelming this year.

Does he have any FFs or an Interceptions?

Someone on this board suggested that the guy may be hurt, I am not sure. I remember this guy being an absolute animal, especially against Running Back. Undercutting them, forcing them to jump in the air and lose the ball or ramming his helmet right on the ball and causing a fumble. I have to agree that he has been very disappointing, but there are still 3 games left and a Super Bowl run.

But as far as yesterday is concerned, I thought Ken Hamlin struggled more than Roy Williams did.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I agree and I have not ventured to NFL.com like most to look at his stats as compared to other Safeties in this league.

I think Roy Williams' play has been very underwhelming this year.

Does he have any FFs or an Interceptions?

According to nfl.com, he has 0 FFs, 5 PDs, and 2 INTs. It seems like he's having a quiet year, but he has more tackles than he did at the end of last year.

Someone on this board suggested that the guy may be hurt, I am not sure. I remember this guy being an absolute animal, especially against Running Back. Undercutting them, forcing them to jump in the air and lose the ball or ramming his helmet right on the ball and causing a fumble. I have to agree that he has been very disappointing, but there are still 3 games left and a Super Bowl run.

Meh, I doubt he's hurt. Actually, I'd like to see the games from his first couple years and not the highlight reels. I just wonder if perception is way different than reality as far as what he was allowed to do then, what he was doing during the down years, and what he's doing now.

Not defending him, I just think that people need to adjust their expectations of Roy. He's in the prime of his career and I doubt there's much more for "improvement."

As for the OP, I didn't see the game so I have to defer to others on his play.

 

[dbair1967]

I'd file this thread right with the "JuJo shouldnt play" trash I saw

how can you complain about one guy, when so many others played as bad if not worse? Our NT play yesterday was terrible...the ILB play was about as bad as could possibly be, and we had no pass rush to speak of...not one of those areas is where RW plays

David

 

[dbair1967]

You can blame him for the 1st drive of the game against the Lions. Watch him during the entire drive. He is out of place on almost every run including watching fat boy TJ outrun down the field. James looked lost as well.

you'd blame him instead of the 7 guys who totally got blown apart in front of him?

hey that makes sense

David

 

[EPL0c0]

you'd blame him instead of the 7 guys who totally got blown apart in front of him?

hey that makes sense

David

the point of the post was not to lay blame on Roy and Roy only for giving up the TD. The post was to point out how Roy's play has disappointed me (and others) this year.

Roy used to be a difference maker on defense. He was the guy that would fly in and turn the runner sideways. He could to hit guys and take them down. He'd make the play in the backfield.

Now...it's plays like this, despite being the contain guy, he stood by and waited (too long imo) then went to a spot where the ball wasn't. Along with not wrapping up, even his big hits aren't big enough to take guys down anymore. His coverage is shakey. Roy isn't the impact player he used to be. Somebody else said it...teams don't seem to fear going across the middle anymore.

I just don't see Roy as being a difference maker anymore. I am and have advocated moving him in and drafting a SS that can at least cover.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

the point of the post was not to lay blame on Roy and Roy only for giving up the TD. The post was to point out how Roy's play has disappointed me (and others) this year.

Roy used to be a difference maker on defense. He was the guy that would fly in and turn the runner sideways. He could to hit guys and take them down. He'd make the play in the backfield.

Now...it's plays like this, despite being the contain guy, he stood by and waited (too long imo) then went to a spot where the ball wasn't. Along with not wrapping up, even his big hits aren't big enough to take guys down anymore. His coverage is shakey. Roy isn't the impact player he used to be. Somebody else said it...teams don't seem to fear going across the middle anymore.

I just don't see Roy as being a difference maker anymore. I am and have advocated moving him in and drafting a SS that can at least cover.

I agree with alot of the stuff you said but I have to take exception with the post in bold.

Did teams really fear going across the middle in Roy's heyday? I really doubt that and I think that is somewhat revisionist history, coupled with nastalgia.

Did opposing Wideouts have a constantly knowledge of where #31 is? Yep, you bet but were teams going to gameplan and not go over the middle because of #31, I doubt it.

To add, going over the middle in the NFL has always been a dangerous place.

 

[Smith22]

you'd blame him instead of the 7 guys who totally got blown apart in front of him?

hey that makes sense

David

Read ALL of my posts in this thread and I laid plenty of blame on the DL. I'm just not the homer many our about Roy. It is plain as day he isn't the player he was his 1st 2-3 years. Plain as day. Does that make me happy? Heck no. Apparently, pointing out a player whose play has fallen off labels you as a guy with an "AGENDA" for some reason.

I'm done with the subject now and will stay out of all RW talk until the offseason.

 

[Rampage]

the whole defense played bad including the trash talking bradie james,terence newman, and Roy "i never do anything wrong according to adamstatboy" williams.

 

[kmd24]

It's weird. On the one hand, some folks want to see RW blow people up, which is often nothing but undisciplined tackling. On the other hand, some want to see Roy wrapping players up when he tackles.

My opinion on the matter is that RW is a much more disciplined player now than he was early on in his career. He may not be as flashy, but he handles his responsibilities better.

Anyway, even if RW blew an assignment here or there, you'd have to look at the whole of his responsibilities for the entire game, evaluate his success rate (i.e., grade him out) and then compare it to other players at the position to get any idea of how well he plays.

Instead, we judge him like a bunch of Madden fanboys.

 

[jobberone]

Which "long run" are you talking about? The 15-yard run or the 32-yard TD run?



Which two big plays are you referring to?




Again, which one was that?

After that pathetic display by our defensive line and inside linebackers, I can't believe the secondary is actually taking the heat for the Lions' success running the ball.

The first one Adam. And let's don't start with blaming either or debating. If you read the post it was meant to be neutral. There were big holes for the backs to run thru. A lot of that was starting plays one way which we reacted to with slants to the run. There were some traps deliberately designed to catch a fast team like us. There were some holds---both big plays---but most of the players just got beat. On the first long run Akin filled a lane fast and was chipped away from the play. James was held and taken out of the play. Roy and Hamlin reacted poorly, slowly, and came after him with bad angles. And the back was just faster than they realized. Give Detroit credit.

But there is plenty of blame to spread around. This was not just the Boys playing poorly at times. They allowed a TD after the half. Stopped them when they had to. Got some lucky calls and a missed FG. Det backed itself up on that one.

But the point I really wanted to make is despite a few bad plays and some sloppy tackling at times they still won. They showed up when they had to.

It was ugly but as in another post championship clubs make plays when they have to. Or drives. We scored right before the end of both halves, the last winning the game on a drive with zero timeouts and the NFC East on the line.

They have problems. I hope they address the problems in the off season. Right now I starting to believe this is a team of destiny. Still they have to play better to be considered a good shot to win it all.

Later...gotta go out of town.

 

[iceberg]

How do you bookend a statement with those two, completely opposite, phrases?

beat me to it.

i swear i understand people need to "vent" but this horse is so dead you can barely see a hoof anymore.

 

[iceberg]

Why in the world are you blaming guy lined up on the offense's right side for not stopping a run behind the left guard? There's what, four or five guys who are SUPPOSED to stop them from running up the middle -- why not blame them? (Bradie James, for example.) If Jones had cut outside, he would have run right into Roy. But instead, he plowed through the middle of the pile. That's Roy's fault? Is Roy supposed to loop around the back of the linebackers to the middle of the defense, leaving the outside wide open?

What a ridiculous thread -- another in the long line of "Roy was on the field, let's blame him for everything" posts.

what i really want to know is -

what did roy williams do with jimmy hoffa?
why did roy cause global warming?
how come roy didn't stop 9/11?

after awhile it just becomes "in vogue" to do something. in the late 90's it was drive and SUV, give kids riddelin vs. teach them and bash microsoft. around here it's blame roy for everything.

personally i feel he should have stopped the immaculate reception. damn him.

 

[Idgit]

Read ALL of my posts in this thread and I laid plenty of blame on the DL. I'm just not the homer many our about Roy. It is plain as day he isn't the player he was his 1st 2-3 years. Plain as day. Does that make me happy? Heck no. Apparently, pointing out a player whose play has fallen off labels you as a guy with an "AGENDA" for some reason.

I'm done with the subject now and will stay out of all RW talk until the offseason.

You'd have been fine if you just stopped at blaming the DL and front 7. Your mistake was in trying to blame the SS, too, when the plays in question were clearly and demonstrably not his responsibility.

There will be more legitimate opportunities to not homer-out about Roy. Why not just wait until he makes another legitimate coverage mistake and then join in any one of the epic threads that will spawn?