Another Roy Williams thread...

[EPL0c0]

If it seems like I'm picking on Roy...I am. Yes, I'm one of those disgruntled "he's a liability in the passing game" types.

But against the Lions, I saw something I hadn't seen Roy do much of before...wiff.

On the two goalline TDs by Kevin Jones, if you watch replay/video, You'll see that Roy came in from the outside and was more than a step behind and completely wiffed on making a play. The Lions were running up the gut virtually all game...why not try to stuff a gap? It could have been how Phillips/Stewart wanted him to line up and attack, but just looked like despite being near the LOS, he was nowhere near the play.

I like Roy a lot, but he just doesn't seem like the Roy of just a couple of years ago.

 

[TheCount]

If it seems like I'm picking on Roy...I am. Yes, I'm one of those disgruntled "he's a liability in the passing game" types.

But against the Lions, I saw something I hadn't seen Roy do much of before...wiff.

On the two goalline TDs by Kevin Jones, if you watch replay/video, You'll see that Roy came in from the outside and was more than a step behind and completely wiffed on making a play. The Lions were running up the gut virtually all game...why not try to stuff a gap? It could have been how Phillips/Stewart wanted him to line up and attack, but just looked like despite being near the LOS, he was nowhere near the play.

I like Roy a lot, but he just doesn't seem like the Roy of just a couple of years ago.

How do you bookend a statement with those two, completely opposite, phrases?

 

[AdamJT13]

So, you're blaming Roy because he's supposed to line up outside the tight end instead of in the middle when we're in goal-line defense?

Please. You can't be serious.

 

[EPL0c0]

So, you're blaming Roy because he's supposed to line up outside the tight end instead of in the middle when we're in goal-line defense?

Please. You can't be serious.

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v22/pfjunkie/Football/KJONES1.jpg

Bad picture, but video shows it. Yes, Roy's playing the TE, but he holds his ground, when he sees the play go inside, he goes up and into the backfield... a step well behind the play. Could he have slid over to the inside instead? FOx had an angle from the back of the endzone that showed him diving/getting to the spot well after Jones was by that spot. That's what I mean by wiffing on the play... missing it. If it happens once, ok, but twice? Roy's supposed to be better than that at the line...

 

[Rack]

*** YAWN ***​

 

[Garland powerplay]

He almost seems like a different player.Its either mental or his football skills are diminshing which is understandable due to the high skill level required.

 

[AdamJT13]

Bad picture, but video shows it. Yes, Roy's playing the TE, but he holds his ground, when he sees the play go inside, he goes up and into the backfield... a step well behind the play. Could he have slid over to the inside instead? FOx had an angle from the back of the endzone that showed him diving/getting to the spot well after Jones was by that spot. That's what I mean by wiffing on the play... missing it. If it happens once, ok, but twice? Roy's supposed to be better than that at the line...

Why in the world are you blaming guy lined up on the offense's right side for not stopping a run behind the left guard? There's what, four or five guys who are SUPPOSED to stop them from running up the middle -- why not blame them? (Bradie James, for example.) If Jones had cut outside, he would have run right into Roy. But instead, he plowed through the middle of the pile. That's Roy's fault? Is Roy supposed to loop around the back of the linebackers to the middle of the defense, leaving the outside wide open?

What a ridiculous thread -- another in the long line of "Roy was on the field, let's blame him for everything" posts.

 

[Smith22]

You can blame him for the 1st drive of the game against the Lions. Watch him during the entire drive. He is out of place on almost every run including watching fat boy TJ outrun down the field. James looked lost as well.

 

[LatinMind]

Why in the world are you blaming guy lined up on the offense's right side for not stopping a run behind the left guard? There's what, four or five guys who are SUPPOSED to stop them from running up the middle -- why not blame them? (Bradie James, for example.) If Jones had cut outside, he would have run right into Roy. But instead, he plowed through the middle of the pile. That's Roy's fault? Is Roy supposed to loop around the back of the linebackers to the middle of the defense, leaving the outside wide open?

What a ridiculous thread -- another in the long line of "Roy was on the field, let's blame him for everything" posts.

while i dont know why roy is being singled out on this play, its not like he doesnt have a good arguement. just not this play. the real question should be where has this guy been that he hasnt seen the many wiffs by roy in the past 3 yrs.

csse in point this very same team, and the countless wiffs he had against the 4th and 5th string rb's the lions had playing last yr.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I saw Roy hit guys with his shoulder a couple of times today and not bother to attempt to wrap them up, but they did end up going down. That's my only beef with him this year and it's not all that often and it really hasn't hurt us. It's just a pet peeve of mine.

I think he's been an order of magnitude better this year than he was last year. His stats don't back it up, but I have no doubt in my mind that he's been more effective.

 

[jobberone]

On the first long run Roy seemed to not recognize what was happening. That wasn't the only play. Then he took a bad angle. Hamlin wasn't much better just had farther to go and his angle of pursuit wasn't much better. Roy could have stopped him 5 to 8 yds not 20 +. Hamlin could have caught from behind with less gain. James was held and Akin was merely chipped off it. The tackle should have been made by Akin and esp James. They trapped and held a lot but overall I would grade Det out better than I thought they'd do. They beat our dl and lbs way too much. RW fair in coverage this game, took too many bad angles and looked confused on two big plays. Hamlin was a little better. Newman played well but even he took a bad angle on that second big running play. We played better than I thought on d. Gutless was too harsh. Inept at tackling and disengaging blockers is more like it.

Thank God for Romo. Then Witten. And the OL.

Ware was absent except four plays which ain't bad.

STs are mucho better.

Great comeback and way to hang in there guys.

 

[Smith22]

Thank God for Romo. Then Witten. And the OL.

Ware was absent except four plays which ain't bad.

STs are mucho better.

Great comeback and way to hang in there guys.

Amen to that.

 

[AdamJT13]

You can blame him for the 1st drive of the game against the Lions. Watch him during the entire drive. He is out of place on almost every run

Roy was in on the tackle on two of those runs, and almost all of them went away from his side of the field. When was he ever "out of place"?

including watching fat boy TJ outrun down the field.

On the TD run, Roy came up to support on the outside, where the lead blocker was going (and blocked Ellis). Jones ran right up the middle, where Canty completely whiffed on the tackle in the backfield, Ayodele got manhandled and James was way too late shedding his blocker. If Roy came up to support in the middle, where Ayodele and James already were, there would have been nobody to defend the outside.

Again, why would anyone blame someone who WASN'T supposed to be there when THREE guys who WERE supposed to be there didn't do their job?

 

[Idgit]

Guys, do you really want to make the rest of us watch this snake eat more rats? It's not fun anymore. It's getting to the point where it's embarrassing to watch because the rats are the ones that pick the fight.

I think we can all imagine what the EPL0c0/LatinMind-shaped bulges are going to look like in Adam's stomach. I don't even have the heart to point and laugh anymore.

 

[dogunwo]

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v22/pfjunkie/Football/KJONES1.jpg

Bad picture, but video shows it. Yes, Roy's playing the TE, but he holds his ground, when he sees the play go inside, he goes up and into the backfield... a step well behind the play. Could he have slid over to the inside instead? FOx had an angle from the back of the endzone that showed him diving/getting to the spot well after Jones was by that spot. That's what I mean by wiffing on the play... missing it. If it happens once, ok, but twice? Roy's supposed to be better than that at the line...

I am seriously questioning your football intellect.

 

[Smith22]

Roy was in on the tackle on two of those runs, and almost all of them went away from his side of the field. When was he ever "out of place"?



On the TD run, Roy came up to support on the outside, where the lead blocker was going (and blocked Ellis). Jones ran right up the middle, where Canty completely whiffed on the tackle in the backfield, Ayodele got manhandled and James was way too late shedding his blocker. If Roy came up to support in the middle, where Ayodele and James already were, there would have been nobody to defend the outside.

Again, why would anyone blame someone who WASN'T supposed to be there when THREE guys who WERE supposed to be there didn't do their job?

1st quarter, 9:40 mark.
Big run up the middle, Roy gets plowed by OL, Hamlin makes the tackle.

1st quarter, 8:17 mark.
Roy makes up a lot of ground, then gets lost in the middle of the pile, stutters, then kind of throws his hands out like he going for the horse collar, then he just stops and doesn't make a play. hamlin again with the tackle. Hamlin was at least 15-20 yards off the LOS to start the play. Roy was 5 yards off the LOS to start the play.

1st quarter, 7:40 mark.
Roy lines up on the left of the Detroit offense. He gets caught flat footed and doesn't touch one player. He just turns, chases and watches TJ fly by him for the TD.

 

[AdamJT13]

On the first long run Roy seemed to not recognize what was happening.

Which "long run" are you talking about? The 15-yard run or the 32-yard TD run?

RW fair in coverage this game, took too many bad angles and looked confused on two big plays.

Which two big plays are you referring to?

Newman played well but even he took a bad angle on that second big running play.

Again, which one was that?

After that pathetic display by our defensive line and inside linebackers, I can't believe the secondary is actually taking the heat for the Lions' success running the ball.

 

[Smith22]

Guys, do you really want to make the rest of us watch this snake eat more rats? It's not fun anymore. It's getting to the point where it's embarrassing to watch because the rats are the ones that pick the fight.

I think we can all imagine what the EPL0c0/LatinMind-shaped bulges are going to look like in Adam's stomach. I don't even have the heart to point and laugh anymore.

I like Adam and usually agree with him. He is wrong on this one, period. I can watch it over and over on the tivo until I'm blue in the face and won't defend Williams on this one. I agree that the DL was awful, but Roy was no better on run defense this game.

 

[Smith22]

After that pathetic display by our defensive line and inside linebackers, I can't believe the secondary is actually taking the heat for the Lions' success running the ball.

The DL was awful. I agree. Don't think anyone would argue on that one.

 

[Smith22]

On the 32 yard TD by TJ, Roy is again close to the LOS while Hamlin is back 15 yards off the LOS.