Another week of uneven officiating

[Joe_Fan]

And Dez got pushed in the back.

Maybe if Dez would have spent more time fighting for the ball rather than looking for the ref he would have gotten the call.

But when you don't even make an attempt to catch the ball then you shouldn't expect to get the call.

That's what ticked me off more than anything with that play.

 

[Fletch]

Maybe if Dez would have spent more time fighting for the ball rather than looking for the ref he would have gotten the call.

But when you don't even make an attempt to catch the ball then you shouldn't expect to get the call.

That's what ticked me off more than anything with that play.

I agree. Even so, the lack of consistency in calling the games is just brutal.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It was a late flag, not going to lie.....................but the call is legit, Heath did grab the WR by the shoulders and turn him..............but yea, the flag was late

I agree.

I think Dez was by definition PI'd with on the last play.

The defender wasn't looking at the ball and while the shove looked slight, he did have his arm extended. That's a point of emphasis on PI calls and we didn't get it.

On the other hand, they call a PI on Claiborne who is looking at the ball. He kinda gave him an arm bar, but he wasn't grabbing the receiver, he didn't interfere with the WR's progress, he didn't push the receiver and you could probably call that incidental contact from hand fighting since both were looking at the ball.

There was another pass play, I can't remember to who, but the TB corner had both arms extended and was grabbing the Cowboys WR before 5 yards (legal), but then continued to do it for another 5-8 yards (illegal). And there was no call.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Maybe if Dez would have spent more time fighting for the ball rather than looking for the ref he would have gotten the call.

But when you don't even make an attempt to catch the ball then you shouldn't expect to get the call.

That's what ticked me off more than anything with that play.

You're either PI'd with or you're not. The ball was catchable as you acknowledged.

What got me is that the point of emphasis on a push off is the extension of the arms. The TB defenders arms were clearly extended and it never got called. Should have been an easy one.






YR

 

[Seven]

If you score more than 6 freaking points against scrub teams like the Bucs, you don't need a bail out call in the 4th.

................With a clueless, rookie QB. Complete embarrassment.

 

[Joe_Fan]

You're either PI'd with or you're not. The ball was catchable as you acknowledged.

What got me is that the point of emphasis on a push off is the extension of the arms. The TB defenders arms were clearly extended and it never got called. Should have been an easy one.






YR

You have to make an attempt to catch the ball. Dez didn't.

It's really as simple as that.

 

[dupree89]

when you are 2-6 and on the road...and have scored a grand total of 6 points in the game....the team is not gonna get the benefit of a judgement call. they dont like making a call at the very end, whens its judgement.
Especially when the the team did nothing all game and they are on the road.

This is the result of playing a close, tight game. Its takes one call, one bounce of the ball, one mental mistake etc, to cost you the game. This loss is on the coaches and players, not the officiating.

 

[Joe_Fan]

I agree.

I think Dez was by definition PI'd with on the last play.

The defender wasn't looking at the ball and while the shove looked slight, he did have his arm extended. That's a point of emphasis on PI calls and we didn't get it.

On the other hand, they call a PI on Claiborne who is looking at the ball. He kinda gave him an arm bar, but he wasn't grabbing the receiver, he didn't interfere with the WR's progress, he didn't push the receiver and you could probably call that incidental contact from hand fighting since both were looking at the ball.

There was another pass play, I can't remember to who, but the TB corner had both arms extended and was grabbing the Cowboys WR before 5 yards (legal), but then continued to do it for another 5-8 yards (illegal). And there was no call.





YR

The defender wasn't looking at the ball? I guess that explains how he nearly came away with the INT.

Replace the Dez not looking for the ball with Dez and then you'll be correct.

The only thing Dez was looking for was the flag.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You have to make an attempt to catch the ball. Dez didn't.

It's really as simple as that.

No, you don't.





YR

 

[nalam]

If the Williams call was genuine for a push which erased a TD , then the push on Dez should have been called. ( still don't know why Dez didn't even tried to go up and get the ball)

The only issue with Heath call was how late it was , after Winston fumbled .....????

 

[Hook'em#11]

Changing or simplifying poorly written rules would bring about "unintended consequences". Things must stay as they are.

Simplify the rules then. Something. The consistency is crazy, let alone costing some teams games.

 

[LandryFan]

Simplify the rules then. Something. The consistency is crazy, let alone costing some teams games.

I was being sarcastic there...many of the rules are so poorly written and open to interpretation that games have become difficult to watch. Even former players and long time announcers are saying that they don't know what a catch is anymore.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Refs are not the reason we are losing.

But that shouldve been PI on Dez.....he clearly pushed him;

 

[slick325]

You're either PI'd with or you're not. The ball was catchable as you acknowledged.

What got me is that the point of emphasis on a push off is the extension of the arms. The TB defenders arms were clearly extended and it never got called. Should have been an easy one.






YR

That was blatant PI...no different than the call that went against TWill for offensive PI a game or two ago. Call should have been made. Not sure Dallas would have gotten in the end zone or not based on how anemic the run game was yesterday but the refs should have done their job.

BTW...why doesn't Dallas run that play more against Cover 2 zone coverage...Dez against a safety is good money in my book. Either he catches a TD or he will get a PI.

 

[blindzebra]

when you are 2-6 and on the road...and have scored a grand total of 6 points in the game....the team is not gonna get the benefit of a judgement call. they dont like making a call at the very end, whens its judgement.
Especially when the the team did nothing all game and they are on the road.

This is the result of playing a close, tight game. Its takes one call, one bounce of the ball, one mental mistake etc, to cost you the game. This loss is on the coaches and players, not the officiating.

Clearly you have never officiated and no nothing about the way officials are supposed to call a game. Score, time, home or away, and records should not be part of the decision making process. Whether it is black and white fouls or advantage/disadvantage what was called in the first minute should be called in the last minute and similar infractions should be called on both teams.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ating-error-cost-ravens-on-final-play-vs-jags

 

[DogFace]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ating-error-cost-ravens-on-final-play-vs-jags

We will getting out apology soon. Don't worry.

 

[DogFace]

Maybe if Dez would have spent more time fighting for the ball rather than looking for the ref he would have gotten the call.

But when you don't even make an attempt to catch the ball then you shouldn't expect to get the call.

That's what ticked me off more than anything with that play.

If you're pushed in the back the instant before you get ready to jump it can be very distracting. Especially coming off a broken foot. Pushing isn't allowed its a penalty. Several were called for them. We didn't lose because of blah blah blah...

Call the damn penalty if it happens. Be consistent.

Ps. The same way you feel about people whining and blaming the refs Is how I feel about those that whine about the complaints.

 

[31smackdown]

If you're pushed in the back the instant before you get ready to jump it can be very distracting. Especially coming off a broken foot. Pushing isn't allowed its a penalty. Several were called for them. We didn't lose because of blah blah blah...

Call the damn penalty if it happens. Be consistent.

Ps. The same way you feel about people whining and blaming the refs Is how I feel about those that whine about the complaints.

Let's not forget that he also just ran 60 yards or whatever, it was not like he was there waiting for the ball or this was some little 15 yard route. Try running 60 yards at an angle, look up to locate a ball and as you are about to make your fine adjustment have someone push you in the back and see how well you do to stop your momentum and "fight for the ball" . Dez threw his hand back, which is about what you can expect in that situation. It was literally probably a one step difference in being able to settle his body that he was never able to do because of the push.

 

[DogFace]

Let's not forget that he also just ran 60 yards or whatever, it was not like he was there waiting for the ball or this was some little 15 yard route. Try running 60 yards at an angle, look up to locate a ball and as you are about to make your fine adjustment have someone push you in the back and see how well you do to stop your momentum and "fight for the ball" . Dez threw his hand back, which is about what you can expect in that situation. It was literally probably a one step difference in being able to settle his body that he was never able to do because of the push.

Excellent illustration and I totally agree. Just watch or play basketball. A little push in the direction of the momentum of the player, especially right befor a jump, has a severe affect on the player pushed.