Another WR Roy Williams Rumor

[RainMan]

This theory is complete horseshat.

Teams can "afford" to keep quite a few top rated players.

Detroit has few PB players and even fewer All-Pro players.

They can't afford not to pay both these players what they are worth.

They can't afford not to build around and accentuate this strength.

The Lions are fools if they don't go to him now and work out a deal. He may want to leave Det, he may want to go back to Texas.

But a lot can happen in 13 games. If Det offered an 8 yr 80mil type deal with 30 mil SB, basically lifetime financial security, how could he turn it down and risk injury only to get a similar deal in FA.

You're right that teams can lock up a lot of money in one position. We're doing it with Roy and Hamiln, could be doing it with Flozell and Colombo, and have been entertaining the possibility of adding another high-profile receiver opposite TO.

However, you say the Lions would be fools not to build around their top, young wideouts. But I think the prevailing thought in league circles is you don't generally build around the wide receiver position when you're a bad team. And that's just about ALL Detroit has. They seriously suck everywhere else. If they can get a first round pick for Roy and parlay that into another position, I think it's a move they seriously have to consider --- especially since Roy will be entering free agency and could give them a big middle finger on his way out.

I don't know that Detroit wants to have two big-money receivers, with little-money talent everywhere else. Receiver is a position that is dependent on other things going well in order to get the ball (i.e., a good quarterback), which is why you don't generally see teams build around it. Sure, Roy and Calvin make Kitna look better than he is -- and it's still not nearly good enough.

 

[silver]

nah, i just dont see the roy the receiver williams love as some of us here do. what has he done thats so special. to me he looks like an injury prone possesion receiver. no thanks

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If TO goes down or if TO is not 100% come playoff time(like last year)... the run is over.

Your sky is falling!!!! ​

Give me a break, YoYo!!
Remember that Witten is on the field and Romo would make stars out of Crayton and/or Hurd, Austin or Stanback. Romo is that good. Romo can get the ball out to his receivers.
Ye has little faith, Sammy.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Honestly, if he is available, I think he is an Eagle, no matter how much he might like us. They just have alot to offer for him by trade, and have more of a need.......now their history for not paying players might come into play, but dealing Lito and one of their 2 first rounders is just too simiple to deny.

 

[JPostSam]

Honestly, if he is available, I think he is an Eagle, no matter how much he might like us. They just have alot to offer for him by trade, and have more of a need.......now their history for not paying players might come into play, but dealing Lito and one of their 2 first rounders is just too simiple to deny.

agree. if you're the eagles and you want to compete in the nfc east, you owe it to your team and your fans to try to get a good wide receiver.

 

[ilovejerry]

Why are we still talking about another WR? Don't you think bringing in another DIVA. Would upset the chemistry on this team? I say don't fix it till its broken everyone is getting along just fine. were 3-0 and were still talking about WR Roy Williams. I don't get it. That's all we need another excuse to hear that T.O isn't getting the ball.. I think its a foolish mistake.

 

[Hostile]

Seems like this rumor is picking up steam, and for good reason. The Lions really have little incentive to keep Roy if we, or some other team, put a good offer on the table.

I have two concerns, though, and will provide my counter-thoughts thereafter:

1) Chemistry. Roy is a somewhat prolific player, but it could take some time for Romo to get on the same page as him. Is it worth risking the current chemistry to bring him in, because you know you'll see some 'what in the world?' passes headed Roy's way early in his tenure here due to them being on a different wave length.

2) We can't overrate Roy. He's a good receiver, no doubt. But he's never been a huge TD scorer, has had trouble staying healthy and has only posted one 1,000-yard season if I'm not mistaken. Is he really a guy that takes us over the top?

Now, as for the chemistry, my counter thought would be that the reality of getting Roy is it's not a move to make us even tougher to beat in Week 10, but a long-term move for not only this season, but the future for when TO starts to wear down. But it could certainly impact this season, potentially even allowing us to sustain a higher level of offensive success late in the season and into the playoffs. Not to mention it safe guards us for if TO were to go down.

As for Roy being overrated, yeah, I think some here overrate him. I'm not sure it's "Game Over" if we acquire him (not sure he's THAT good). But he is an undeniable upgrade over Crayton, a young player that could slowly get more looks as TO gets older and would undoubtedly make us better if he can stay healthy.

Sorry for the long post, just some rambling thoughts at this hour.

The desire to add Roy Williams is really about 2 things.

1. An insurance policy against losing Terrell Owens to injury again. This team was never close to the same after he was hurt. Not even the return of Terry Glenn could inject some life into the Offense.

2. It is a way to further create matchup problems for Defenses to adjust to.

Who cares if he scores a lot of touchdowns when he comes here? No one should. What they should notice is that it causes teams to leave Owens or Witten in single coverage more often. Is it impossible to believe he could actually flourish in a better Offense than he has been in during his career? Why?

I am no longer worried about chemistry on this team. They have a singular focus and drive to win and every player who has joined the locker room has found acceptance. An unselfish player like Roy Williams would not change that.

All this move does is make us that much stronger and it is a measure towards the future, not just this season. People say "what about the progress of Crayton and Austin and Hurd and Stanback?" What about it? I don't see where this move denies them anything or stops their progress. If they shut down because a player is added then they are too fragile to matter to the team anyway.

 

[Sarge]

The desire to add Roy Williams is really about 2 things.

1. An insurance policy against losing Terrell Owens to injury again. This team was never close to the same after he was hurt. Not even the return of Terry Glenn could inject some life into the Offense.

2. It is a way to further create matchup problems for Defenses to adjust to.

Who cares if he scores a lot of touchdowns when he comes here? No one should. What they should notice is that it causes teams to leave Owens or Witten in single coverage more often. Is it impossible to believe he could actually flourish in a better Offense than he has been in during his career? Why?

I am no longer worried about chemistry on this team. They have a singular focus and drive to win and every player who has joined the locker room has found acceptance. An unselfish player like Roy Williams would not change that.

All this move does is make us that much stronger and it is a measure towards the future, not just this season. People say "what about the progress of Crayton and Austin and Hurd and Stanback?" What about it? I don't see where this move denies them anything or stops their progress. If they shut down because a player is added then they are too fragile to matter to the team anyway.

Once in a great while - you make a lot of sense . . . :

 

[Hailmary]

Oh, undoubtedly.

Also if Tony Romo goes down, or DeMarcus Ware goes down, or the team plane crashes into a mountain, if any of those things happen the run is over.

Let's start preparing for all those hypothetical situations, too.

So who on our roster is the first to get eaten if this happens? I'm thinking one of the reserve olinemen.....

 

[ilovejerry]

The desire to add Roy Williams is really about 2 things.

1. An insurance policy against losing Terrell Owens to injury again. This team was never close to the same after he was hurt. Not even the return of Terry Glenn could inject some life into the Offense.

2. It is a way to further create matchup problems for Defenses to adjust to.

Who cares if he scores a lot of touchdowns when he comes here? No one should. What they should notice is that it causes teams to leave Owens or Witten in single coverage more often. Is it impossible to believe he could actually flourish in a better Offense than he has been in during his career? Why?

I am no longer worried about chemistry on this team. They have a singular focus and drive to win and every player who has joined the locker room has found acceptance. An unselfish player like Roy Williams would not change that.

All this move does is make us that much stronger and it is a measure towards the future, not just this season. People say "what about the progress of Crayton and Austin and Hurd and Stanback?" What about it? I don't see where this move denies them anything or stops their progress. If they shut down because a player is added then they are too fragile to matter to the team anyway.

I'am, I think it would upset the Balance with T.O. Bringing another high profile WR in here would do exatly that.
I would like to develop the WR we already have . What does brining in another starting WR guy say to the younger guys, yeah Its insurance "If T.O " gets hurt.. So then we have 4 number 3 WR's Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanbach. way too many. I dont think we need him.

 

[Hostile]

I'am, I think it would upset the Balance with T.O. Bringing another high profile WR in here would do exatly that.
I would like to develop the WR we already have . What does brining in another starting WR guy say to the younger guys, yeah Its insurance "If T.O " gets hurt.. So then we have 4 number 3 WR's Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanbach. way too many. I dont think we need him.

I simply disagree. The times of believing Owens is fragile are past. He co-existed with Jerry Rice who overshadowed him. He wants to win. Thsi helps make that happen and provides for the future too.

 

[ilovejerry]

I simply disagree. The times of believing Owens is fragile are past. He co-existed with Jerry Rice who overshadowed him. He wants to win. Thsi helps make that happen and provides for the future too.

I hear ya, I'm just not as optimistic as you are , I think he wants to win , but I dont know if he can co-exsit with an equal right now in this stage of his career. Or someone who would challenge him for Balls.

 

[cowboyz]

i think they'd put stanback on IR if they got roy. let him have another year.
and see if he develops further

 

[CowboyManDan]

I would so love to have Roy Williams the WR here. Owens is not going to be doing what he's doing forever and drafting a #1 WR is not easy. I'd give a #1 for Williams in a heartbeat.

I think Williams value to us is more for next year and the following year(s). Even if we got something done before the trade deadline, it would probably take multiple weeks before he was ready to really start contributing in the gameday offense. Of course, he would be quite an asset come the end of the season.

 

[ndanger]

I'am, I think it would upset the Balance with T.O. Bringing another high profile WR in here would do exatly that.
I would like to develop the WR we already have . What does brining in another starting WR guy say to the younger guys, yeah Its insurance "If T.O " gets hurt.. So then we have 4 number 3 WR's Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanbach. way too many. I dont think we need him.

Does anybody not think that Jerry is savvy enough to bring T.O. in his office and ask for his opinion on this, all the while selling him on the idea of it and making him feel like the most important guy in the world ?

After you get R.W., who here really cares about the current receiver we have that gets the short straw to make room for him?

 

[Don Corleone]

I hear ya, I'm just not as optimistic as you are , I think he wants to win , but I dont know if he can co-exsit with an equal right now in this stage of his career. Or someone who would challenge him for Balls.

Roy Williams and TO are nowhere close to be equals.

 

[ilovejerry]

I would so love to have Roy Williams the WR here. Owens is not going to be doing what he's doing forever and drafting a #1 WR is not easy. I'd give a #1 for Williams in a heartbeat.

I think Williams value to us is more for next year and the following year(s). Even if we got something done before the trade deadline, it would probably take multiple weeks before he was ready to really start contributing in the gameday offense. Of course, he would be quite an asset come the end of the season.

I still think we should draft D. Linemen, bigger LBS not getting to the passer enough.

 

[ilovejerry]

Roy Williams and TO are nowhere close to be equals.

In this " Offense " I would shine.!!!!! Pleauze

 

[ilovejerry]

Does anybody not think that Jerry is savvy enough to bring T.O. in his office and ask for his opinion on this, all the while selling him on the idea of it and making him feel like the most important guy in the world ?

After you get R.W., who here really cares about the current receiver we have that gets the short straw to make room for him?

Yes he 100% would have to massage Ownes, I could care less who got the short straw, ( but we did waste time trying to developing these guys ) I like Austin and Hurd. But again I just think T.O would blow Up no Matter what. you can do all the talking and massaging you like the media pressure would be on him like white on rice. Look at the coverage he gets now. There waiting for him to blow up, guys I think its a real dicey situation That's all...

 

[CATCH17]

I hear ya, I'm just not as optimistic as you are , I think he wants to win , but I dont know if he can co-exsit with an equal right now in this stage of his career. Or someone who would challenge him for Balls.

Lets get this straight. As good as Roy Williams is Owens and Roy are not equals.

Roy Williams is a pretty level headed guy and this is Owens territory. He has already marked it.

Roy Williams would be foolish to not try and learn all he can from Terrell.

Much like Terrell would have been foolish not to learn all he could from Rice.

Either way, if we get Roy, its still the TO show.