Anthony Barr set to visit Cowboys

[cowboyschmps3]

It be nice for him too get too 16 but I think the only way too get him, with him catching fire and after pro day attention, would be in a trade up situation.

 

[xwalker]

Would you have him as a full time DE, or linebacker and have him rush the passer on 3rd down? Like a Von Miller, and what the Seahawks do with their linebackers?

Marinelli would have to significantly change his defense to have Barr rushing the passer as a 4-3 LB.

Seattle did it a little but I don't think it was a big focus like Von Miller in Denver. Bruce Irvin played DE in 2012 and moved to LB in 2013, but they brought in Avril and Bennett at DE and they combined to 16.5 sacks.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Marinelli would have to significantly change his defense to have Barr rushing the passer as a 4-3 LB.

Seattle did it a little but I don't think it was a big focus like Von Miller in Denver. Bruce Irvin played DE in 2012 and moved to LB in 2013, but they brought in Avril and Bennett at DE and they combined to 16.5 sacks.

Marinelli is up too something and he will surprise a lot of people IMO, he got his 3-tech now he's off too get him a rush man, your right about Irvin but think last year he had those off field issues and an injury and those guys playing the way they did he rarely saw the field, think he's better off at DE, that's why they drafted him. I think Marinelli is going too this style now cause with reports coming in that he wants Carter too gain weight and get stronger too rush passer and Barr coming in for a visit you'd think that's what they're looking for.

 

[xwalker]

Marinelli is up too something and he will surprise a lot of people IMO, he got his 3-tech now he's off too get him a rush man, your right about Irvin but think last year he had those off field issues and an injury and those guys playing the way they did he rarely saw the field, think he's better off at DE, that's why they drafted him. I think Marinelli is going too this style now cause with reports coming in that he wants Carter too gain weight and get stronger too rush passer and Barr coming in for a visit you'd think that's what they're looking for.

I'm not sure how much validity there was in the report about Carter. It all comes from 1 comment where Broaddus said that he (Broaddus) would like to see Carter do it. I don't think he actually said that Marinelli was going to do it.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I'm not sure how much validity there was in the report about Carter. It all comes from 1 comment where Broaddus said that he (Broaddus) would like to see Carter do it. I don't think he actually said that Marinelli was going to do it.

My bad! I just thought if it was true that he's trying too get players in position too where succeed since Carter had it tough

 

[xwalker]

My bad! I just thought if it was true that he's trying too get players in position too where succeed since Carter had it tough

I'm not 100% certain on all the details of that story. But the comment that I saw, it was just Broaddus speculating.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I'm not 100% certain on all the details of that story. But the comment that I saw, it was just Broaddus speculating.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/carter-to-bulk-up-and-be-used-as-nickel-rusher.285737/

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I'm guessing he is moving too strong side, just the bulking up was speculation

 

[xwalker]

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/carter-to-bulk-up-and-be-used-as-nickel-rusher.285737/

Yes, I've seen that post, but somebody posted somewhere the exact statement by Broaddus and it didn't match up what that post.

 

[xwalker]

I'm guessing he is moving too strong side, just the bulking up was speculation

That post was on the 19th. If you have time I would be curious to know exactly what Broaddus said. I tried skimming though the Talking Cowboys video from the 19th but I didn't catch the part about Carter.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

That post was on the 19th. If you have time I would be curious to know exactly what Broaddus said. I tried skimming though the Talking Cowboys video from the 19th but I didn't catch the part about Carter.

I'll see what I can find man, I also tried looking for it but there was nothing unless we contact him on twitter

 

[starfrombirth]

The Cowboys won 3 Super Bowls with Charles Haley as the RDE at 6-5, 255.

As stated in my previous post, the most recent Super Bowl winner had 2 DEs (Avril 6-3, 260 and Clemons 6-3, 254) that weren't much bigger than Barr and Barr will probably end up bigger being that he's 2 inches taller.

The Cowboys DLine in 2013 was not really "light in the pants".

The DTs were not undersized with Hatcher and Hayden.

Selvie is 6-4, 270 which is not undersized. His primary backup was Wynn at 6-3, 285.

That just leaves Ware at 6-4, 260 and Brown at 6-1, 263.

Yes but with Haley... That was a different era. Most Olinemen weren't 310+ lbs. Now it's nearly a requirement to be 320+ to be an olineman in the NFL and that takes it's toll on lighter players. Now that isn't such a big deal if there is only 1 DE that is light but when the whole defensive line is light and/or weak and you're expected to hold up against the run time after time.... I just think it's too a players / teams detriment to be so light.

To address your points above which I completely spaced (ADHD ) I understand Hatcher and Hayden aren't "light" but Hayden was definately weak and we ended up with a last place run defense. Now you think it's ok to keep the same pieces but with a lighter more inexperienced player to replace Ware???? We play in a division that knows our weakness and they are going to run it down our throats.

Selvie is 270... a far cry from 255 or more correctly 243 as listed in the article (his playing weight I believe )

Ware may have been 260 at some point but he was close to 270 at the beginning of last year which i guess is ok. I guess most of my angst is that I feel the rest of the league is getting bigger while we are still in the whole "smaller / faster" mindset. I could be wrong but I just believe we need to get bigger and apparently my opinion on Barr isn't the only one. Like I said if this is his playing weight and you want to keep him at LB'r and play him like a LB'r then fine but if he is going to be playing DE then he needs to get bigger and stronger to be effective and not break down.... Just my opinion.

 

[HellCrowe]

Here is a great read on CJ Mosley vs Anthony Barr for the Dallas Cowboys

http://thelandryhat.com/2014/03/30/dallas-0cowboys-draft-day-dilemma-barr-v-mosley/

CJ Mosley seems like the prototypical Mike or Will LB for our team. Aside from hisinjuries; He is a team leader, can tackle, plays the pass well, reads and reacts well, knows how to disengage from blocks, and gets your occasional sacks. I have a feeling our boys are definitely taking him if Manziel, Donald, and the top Tackles don't drop.

Anthony Barr on the other hand can be great. I see him in the mold of Clay Matthews. He is a TFL and sack machine. What intrigues me the most about him is his awareness and lateral quickness once he beats the OL and gets to either the RB or QB. However when the offensive play is ran towards him, he doesn't seem to know what to do. It will take some time but I'm sure he can bulk up and be taught up to learn to play his position on our defense.

Tough decisions ahead. I'd be happy we either.

 

[xwalker]

Selvie is 270... a far cry from 255 or more correctly 243 as listed in the article (his playing weight I believe )
Didn't I just list Selvie as 6-4, 270?

Ware may have been 260 at some point but he was close to 270 at the beginning of last year which i guess is ok. I guess most of my angst is that I feel the rest of the league is getting bigger while we are still in the whole "smaller / faster" mindset. I could be wrong but I just believe we need to get bigger and apparently my opinion on Barr isn't the only one. Like I said if this is his playing weight and you want to keep him at LB'r and play him like a LB'r then fine but if he is going to be playing DE then he needs to get bigger and stronger to be effective and not break down.... Just my opinion.
Ware was down to 254 in 2012 and got back into the 260s in 2013. I don't believe that he was ever 270.

I've given you a list of very successful players that played DE at 260 and under. That's fact, not speculation.

The Cowboys are probably moving Selvie to the Weak Side and using Crawford 6-4, ~285 and Mincey who is known to be a strong run defender on the Strong Side.

If they drafted a guy like Barr, he would come in on the nickel at WDE in year 1.

You might not like the idea of a lighter weight DE, but you need to prepare yourself, because there is a high probability that they draft one. If it's not Barr, it could be:
Dee Ford 6-2, 252
Marcus Smith 6-3, 251
Chris Smith 6-1, 266

The average weight of the top 10 rated DEs in this draft is 260.6 lbs.

 

[unionjack8]

Would you have him as a full time DE, or linebacker and have him rush the passer on 3rd down? Like a Von Miller, and what the Seahawks do with their linebackers?

I like the flexibility ye offers but probably at de. Imo he is better going forward, let him do what he is comfortable doing.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I like the flexibility ye offers but probably at de. Imo he is better going forward, let him do what he is comfortable doing.

I see what failed projects have brought you too, I have too agree with you

 

[gmoney112]

He's talented but can he play DE in the NFL? His weight wouldn't be that big an issue if he was strong, but 15 reps of 225 at 250 pounds is just bad. Being undersized and weak is a bad combination at DE once you get to the big leagues. It's very doubtful he'll be able to come in as a starter and be able to set the edge on running downs, if he's going to start in 2014 he'll be a penetrator only. He has potential though, in year 2 if he can gain some weight and work in the gym he could be a legitimate starter, but we like guys who can start Day 1. Just depends on what Marinelli wants to do with him.

I have no idea how much he weighed when he made the transition from RB to LB, so that may be part of the issue. He has the frame to put on an extra 15-20 pounds or so over the next couple of years. If the team believes he has the work ethic in the gym and in the kitchen to get where he needs to be then he should absolutely be the pick, but if his work ethic is questionable then they should pass, if he's even at our pick to begin with.

 

[Woods]

He's talented but can he play DE in the NFL? His weight wouldn't be that big an issue if he was strong, but 15 reps of 225 at 250 pounds is just bad. Being undersized and weak is a bad combination at DE once you get to the big leagues. It's very doubtful he'll be able to come in as a starter and be able to set the edge on running downs, if he's going to start in 2014 he'll be a penetrator only. He has potential though, in year 2 if he can gain some weight and work in the gym he could be a legitimate starter, but we like guys who can start Day 1. Just depends on what Marinelli wants to do with him.

I have no idea how much he weighed when he made the transition from RB to LB, so that may be part of the issue. He has the frame to put on an extra 15-20 pounds or so over the next couple of years. If the team believes he has the work ethic in the gym and in the kitchen to get where he needs to be then he should absolutely be the pick, but if his work ethic is questionable then they should pass, if he's even at our pick to begin with.

This is critical and a key reason they need to get to know this player when he goes to VR. If Barr has the work ethic, he already has the God-given measureables. Strength can be improved with a lot of hard work and dedication and good strength coaches. His speed, quickness, agility, etc. is a gift. I don't know enought about Barr's work ethic though.

 

[xwalker]

He's talented but can he play DE in the NFL? His weight wouldn't be that big an issue if he was strong, but 15 reps of 225 at 250 pounds is just bad. Being undersized and weak is a bad combination at DE once you get to the big leagues. It's very doubtful he'll be able to come in as a starter and be able to set the edge on running downs, if he's going to start in 2014 he'll be a penetrator only. He has potential though, in year 2 if he can gain some weight and work in the gym he could be a legitimate starter, but we like guys who can start Day 1. Just depends on what Marinelli wants to do with him.

I have no idea how much he weighed when he made the transition from RB to LB, so that may be part of the issue. He has the frame to put on an extra 15-20 pounds or so over the next couple of years. If the team believes he has the work ethic in the gym and in the kitchen to get where he needs to be then he should absolutely be the pick, but if his work ethic is questionable then they should pass, if he's even at our pick to begin with.

Marinelli didn't require much run defense from Ware. He was rarely required to set a hard edge; whereas, he was often required to set a hard edge as a 3-4 OLB. When Marinelli really wanted both DEs to set a hard edge he would bring in Wynn (6-3 285) to replace Ware.

Barr could be a nickel rusher as a rookie with Selvie as the base Weak Side DE and Crawford/Mincey as the SDEs.