Any word on Hardy?

[LittleD]

And you know he did this with certainty? Do you also have the Dez tape? Because from what I've seen you don't want him here either. You act as if you know more than the people intimately involved with this case yet you don't. You know what they say when you assume stuff right?

He was convicted, dude on the original charge and later the conviction was set aside. That doesn't make him innocent.

 

[Stash]

He was convicted, dude on the original charge and later the conviction was set aside. That doesn't make him innocent.

What does it make him then, Counselor? Not guilty?

 

[DenCWBY]

NFL's decision on Hardy depends on which team wants him.
If NYG, PITT or NE wants him, the NFL will waive any charges and he'll be reinstated immediately.
If Dallas wants him, he'll probably be placed on probation from TC and regular season play until a further decision can be rendered. Eventually the league will hand down a 4 game suspension after we play the Giants in September.
Not that there's any team bias between the two....

 

[dallasdave]

What does it make him then, Counselor? Not guilty?

What does it make him then, Counselor? Not guilty?

Free Hardy Free Hardy Free Hardy

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

He was convicted, dude on the original charge and later the conviction was set aside. That doesn't make him innocent.

It makes him free from charges, period. He has nothing at all on his record.

 

[LittleD]

It makes him free from charges, period. He has nothing at all on his record.

We'll see if the Commish' feels the same after the negative publicity starts from women's groups.

 

[jrumann59]

He was convicted, dude on the original charge and later the conviction was set aside. That doesn't make him innocent.

so those guys that get released from prison after 40 years after some new evidence or appeals court overturns their conviction are still guilty?

 

[AzorAhai]

He was convicted, dude on the original charge and later the conviction was set aside. That doesn't make him innocent.

If you have honestly researched the full known details of this case, there is no way you would know with any certainty whether hes guilty or innocent. The bottom line is the case was dismissed and he is not a "convicted woman beater". Assume what you will, theres no convincing those whose minds are already made up.

 

[jrumann59]

There are only two crimes in america that a person is guilty until proven otherwise, rape and domestic violence.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

We'll see if the Commish' feels the same after the negative publicity starts from women's groups.

Doesn't matter what he thinks at this point. He needs something concrete in order to punish Hardy. If he has something, then go for it Goodell, but if he just tries to suspend him because he and women's groups want to then it will not hold up.

 

[AzorAhai]

There are only two crimes in america that a person is guilty until proven otherwise, rape and domestic violence.

Unless those accused of those crimes are women.

 

[jterrell]

If you have honestly researched the full known details of this case, there is no way you would know with any certainty whether hes guilty or innocent. The bottom line is the case was dismissed and he is not a "convicted woman beater". Assume what you will, theres no convincing those whose minds are already made up.

No offense but that's really not true.

Hardy was not convicted lightly in this case. The evidence was overwhelming.
Including photos taken at the hospital.

The woman reached a settlement (read money) and disappeared to void the conviction a year later.
It is actually a quite backwoods and goofy law that it could even be overturned at this point.
The hardest thing to convict anyone of is domestic abuse.
Creating just another way to escape that is absurd.

Hardy is on the NFL's exempt list.
It doesn't need a conviction just the evidence they uncovered in their own investigation which has no requirement to be retried or reaffirmed again later.


Hardy is a good player and I am suprised he isn't already signed somewhere.
It was a domestic case and he has settled it out of court.
Legally he is free and clear.

All that said Carolina didn't want him back period. And they know him best. that says a lot to me.

 

[Tractor1]

And does this equal guilt to you?

Is that your Mr. Goodell?

Yes it equals guilt. He's a worthless POS who considers it okay to manhandle women when he is unhappy with their actions. Hopefully the Commish sees it the same way and bans him to protect the shield.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

We'll see if the Commish' feels the same after the negative publicity starts from women's groups.

That's headed our way no matter what,,, along with an endless parade of anybody else that can find an angle.

 

[speedkilz88]

No offense but that's really not true.

Hardy was not convicted lightly in this case. The evidence was overwhelming.
Including photos taken at the hospital.

The woman reached a settlement (read money) and disappeared to void the conviction a year later.
It is actually a quite backwoods and goofy law that it could even be overturned at this point.
The hardest thing to convict anyone of is domestic abuse.
Creating just another way to escape that is absurd.

Hardy is on the NFL's exempt list.
It doesn't need a conviction just the evidence they uncovered in their own investigation which has no requirement to be retried or reaffirmed again later.


Hardy is a good player and I am suprised he isn't already signed somewhere.
It was a domestic case and he has settled it out of court.
Legally he is free and clear.

All that said Carolina didn't want him back period. And they know him best. that says a lot to me.

Evidence was not overwhelming, you haven't even seen the pictures. He was convicted of a misdemeanor in a state that uses that conviction more like a grand jury indictment since it can be vacated with a simple appeal. If the evidence was overwhelming he would have gotten convicted of a higher charge.

 

[darthseinfeld]

This years Melton

 

[Nightman]

No offense but that's really not true.

Hardy was not convicted lightly in this case. The evidence was overwhelming.
Including photos taken at the hospital.

The woman reached a settlement (read money) and disappeared to void the conviction a year later.
It is actually a quite backwoods and goofy law that it could even be overturned at this point.
The hardest thing to convict anyone of is domestic abuse.
Creating just another way to escape that is absurd.

Hardy is on the NFL's exempt list.
It doesn't need a conviction just the evidence they uncovered in their own investigation which has no requirement to be retried or reaffirmed again later.


Hardy is a good player and I am suprised he isn't already signed somewhere.
It was a domestic case and he has settled it out of court.
Legally he is free and clear.

All that said Carolina didn't want him back period. And they know him best. that says a lot to me.

You've got the bench trial in NC completely wrong. There is nothing 'backwoods' about getting a jury trial, that is one of the biggies in the Constitution. A bench trial is basically an arbitration with a a judge that never goes more than one day. It is not a real trial and they don't even keep transcripts. It is a way to keep the simple cases out of Superior Court. All guilty verdicts are immediately vacacted when appealed. That is the same as never happening.

 

[AzorAhai]

No offense but that's really not true.

Hardy was not convicted lightly in this case. The evidence was overwhelming.
Including photos taken at the hospital.

The woman reached a settlement (read money) and disappeared to void the conviction a year later.
It is actually a quite backwoods and goofy law that it could even be overturned at this point.
The hardest thing to convict anyone of is domestic abuse.
Creating just another way to escape that is absurd.

Hardy is on the NFL's exempt list.
It doesn't need a conviction just the evidence they uncovered in their own investigation which has no requirement to be retried or reaffirmed again later.


Hardy is a good player and I am suprised he isn't already signed somewhere.
It was a domestic case and he has settled it out of court.
Legally he is free and clear.

All that said Carolina didn't want him back period. And they know him best. that says a lot to me.

This misdemeanor conviction was at a bench trial. The way the use it is a filter to lighten the load for a higher, more costly form of court. They will lean more towards the side of guilty in these courts due to the measures available to appeal. The only transcripts of this trial were paid for and owned by Hardy, but are you telling me all the statements this women originally made(and changed several times reportedly) and these photos, along with all those witness statements weren't enough to proceed with the case? It all depended on this woman testifying in court, despite all the other evidence available to the DA? I sincerely doubt it, and if it hinged on only her testimony despite all other evidence, it seems like a very weak case to begin with.

 

[jterrell]

Evidence was not overwhelming, you haven't even seen the pictures. He was convicted of a misdemeanor in a state that uses that conviction more like a grand jury indictment since it can be vacated with a simple appeal. If the evidence was overwhelming he would have gotten convicted of a higher charge.

He was actually convicted on two charges.

“The court is entirely convinced Hardy is guilty of assault on a female and communicating threats.”
– Mecklenburg District Judge Becky Thorne Tin, announcing verdict.

The victim received some financial out of court settlement then disappeared.
Once she is MIA the conviction was overturned.

I don't think this makes Hardy the devil but anyone trying to argue he is some poor mistreated 280 pound rich man is basically lying to themselves.
He was seen raging at her a few different times in public and her testimony was consistent as to what had occurred over time.
There were other witnesses who backed up her claims to various extents.
He threatened her and he was jealous. There was an altercation where she was visibly bruised and kicked out of the house.

This is like people saying it is all Ray Rice's fiance's fault she got knocked out....
Just stop.

Hardy himself admitted she pushed his buttons and that he kept breaking up with her but still seeing her.
He claims she was the instigator and she may have been ... but she didn't choke or bruise herself.
Hopefully he's learned to move on and walk away.

I don't think he should be barred from any additional games for what happened as 1 year is significant punishment and domestic arguments and threats then use of force without any deadly intent are not felonies. But they are also not nothing. He should get to play this season IMHO but no one should get to pretend it just didn't happen because a witness flew the coop 6 months later and with a check.

 

[TheDude]

There are only two crimes in america that a person is guilty until proven otherwise, rape and domestic violence.

Probably can include child molestation as well