Any word on Walter Thomas?...signs with New Orleans

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BrAinPaiNt;1480963 said:
I was making a joke of course but I do find it a little amusing that we have a guy that is huge and can do a front flip. Yet he could not seem to stay in one Div I college program In Oklahoma State. He played in 11 games as a reserve.
He could not meet academic requirements and was dismissed from the team by the coach for "Not adhering" to team rules.

So he goes to a much smaller college team Northwest Mississippi Community College. Guess what happens there?

He stared the first 2 games before he was sidelined for academics. Now he was impressive in those two games but still he could not play due to academics.

Two Teams...two failures due to academics.

Yet two things happen. He does a front flip at his size and someone gathers a quote from one of his coaches that says the guy is "a friggin russian gymnist" and people go ga ga over the guy.

Seems to me the guy does not have the will power, intelligence or maturity to commit to football.

One other possibility exists, he may have mental/physiological problems that made it hard on him in college.

I just don't know. I love his size, I like the idea that he is so limber and fast for a man of his size.

But one video and one quote from a former coach does not make me ga ga over the guy.
Well, I read somewhere that Les Miles claimed he was unblockable when he had him. He would be a nice pickup as a free agent. I wasn't one of those crazies who had to have him in the 3rd though.

I'm not as concerned about his academic problems, school isn't for everyone. I'm more concerned about him being too big.(edit/ was he 365 in those pictures or has he gained 20 pounds since those pics?) There is another kid with a similar athletic ability and story(including the flip ability) in LaRon Harris. He actually has his weight down to 340. He already committed to the Bungles I believe. Another big prospect is Louis Leonard. I did like the pickup of Ola Dagunduro.
 

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I wanted him in the 7th and would of taken him in the 6th. Does he have some committment issues, sure, but at his size and his natural athletic ability we really need to bring him in. Not sure why he is being nitpviked anyways...he would be a UDFA.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1481060 said:
Difference is Leon Lett and Jamall Williams actually played more than 12-13 college games.

This cat is not only his lack of exp in college games but also that he failed out of two schools.

Now I don't know the academic requirements for the smaller school he went to but something tells me it was not as tough as the other school he was released from. He played two GAMES, not two season, GAMES before he was sidelined due to academics.

Was this kid just lazy, was he just lacking in brains or was there other problems with him?

If they brought him in for a look...no big deal to me, hey he may turn out to be a great player.

However there is no way I could find myself, at this point, going ga ga over a guy like so many people have during the draft process.

There were tons of people calling in to the ticket draft coverage wanting the boys to draft him.


If he was a good student from a major school, he wouldn't be sitting here undrafted. This is exactly the type of player to bring in as UFA. He is a freak of nature. I don't care if he can't say his ABC's, as long as he can knock the OG in front of him back on his fanny.
 

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Given our need for decent backup to NT Jason Ferguson, I'd bring in anybody who has even remote chance to helping us. We didn't get the job done in FA (so far) nor in the draft (for reasons behind understanding), so we left with next to last resort which is to sign any potential DT player. So bring in Thomas and let's have a look at him. So he has academic studies -- well maybe he never developed proper study skills or maybe he's got dysleuxia (sp?) and never diagnosed. Hey it's not like he makes the defensive calls at NT position. Let's take a look at him exactly what do we have to lose.
 

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there probably is no more simple a position to play then NT. You just hit the guy in front of you and try and either maintain your position or make a push up the middle; and if you see the guy with the ball eat him.
 

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I have a feeling there is more to it than just academic problems.

I have a feeling that his coaches said he is lazy, does not commit or there are mental/psychological problems or maybe there are legal or health issues with the kid.

I just think there is more to this and just no way I could get excited at this point about the kid.

As I said, I don't have any objections if they bring him in for a look, but I also don't see why people have desired this guy so much before, during and now after the draft based on his size and a video clip.
 

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I'm no fan of idiots, but a certain Commander that couldn't even read (Dexter Manley) knew the game of football inside and out. He couldn't read a book, but he could read a misdirection play like no one's business.

Maybe this kid is as dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to acedemics, but I don't see the harm in finding out what he knows about football. Camp fodder at the worst, a possible anchor onthe line at best. What's to lose?

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April 25, 2007
For N.F.L. Draft, the Biggest (XXXXXXL) Sleeper
By LEE JENKINS

GALVESTON, Tex., April 21 — On the edge of the Texas Gulf is a 370-pound football player who can execute a perfect forward flip.

When he lands, the ground trembles.

The player’s name is Walter Thomas, and as he kicked his size 16 feet overhead Saturday morning, onlookers studied the sculpted giant with curiosity and awe. It was the kind of reaction Thomas usually elicits from professional football scouts.

“I feel like I’m a big secret,” Thomas said. “The secret of the draft.”

The National Football League draft, which begins Saturday, does not really have secrets anymore. Prospects are timed and tested, interviewed and investigated, over and over again. Entire dossiers are prepared for second-string players.

Thomas is as close as modern football can come to an old-fashioned sleeper. In the past two years, his only playing experience was at Northwest Mississippi Community College in Senatobia, Miss. He played in two games, both losses. Then he was arrested on a charge of conspiracy to commit robbery, according to the Tate County (Miss.) Circuit Clerk’s office, and never played college football again.

Judging by his credentials, perhaps Thomas should not be drafted. Judging by his dimensions, however, Thomas has to be drafted.

Big Walt, as he is known, is a 6-foot-5 defensive tackle who wears a size XXXXXXL jersey. He bench presses 475 pounds and squats 800 pounds. Weight lifters at the Galveston Health and Racquet Club stop their workouts to watch him.

Football teams everywhere are filled with big men, but many of them can barely move. Thomas has run the 40-yard dash in 4.9 seconds, faster than some N.F.L. tight ends. He is the rare tackle who can catch a running back from behind.

“The guy is a dadgum Russian gymnast,” said Randy Pippin, the head coach at Northwest Mississippi.

Thomas’s flexibility has become part of his lore. He does handstands and handsprings, broad jumps and cartwheels. When he gets excited, he will do a back flip.

“I never thought a body that big could flip in the air,” said Ron Holmes, who coached Thomas at Ball High School in Galveston. “I wouldn’t have believed it unless I’d seen it with my own two eyes.”

Three months ago, Thomas was little more than a novelty act. He declared for the draft as a 21-year-old junior, but unlike most underclassmen heading to the N.F.L., he had no highlight reel to send scouts and few statistics for them to analyze. The Web site nfldraftscout.com ranked him as the 74th-best defensive tackle.

“It was a different situation,” said Martin Magid, Thomas’s agent. “He was coming from the basement.”

Magid, who represents several professional football players, lobbied for Thomas to be included in a predraft all-star game called Texas vs. The Nation. When the workouts for that game began, Thomas was an afterthought. When they ended, he was an Internet phenomenon.

Draftniks found a new darling. Bloggers were breathless. Draftdaddy.com reported that Thomas was “unstoppable” and “nimble” and “drew reactions ranging from gasps to smiles to a simple shake of the head in disbelief.”

In the draft evaluation process, workouts are nearly as important as games, and Thomas is a workout wonder. He was invited to Mississippi State’s annual Pro Day and seized much of the attention, even though he did not attend Mississippi State.

N.F.L. scouts, always on the lookout for that unique blend of size and agility, were seduced by a dancing goliath. This month, Thomas was ranked as the 15th-best defensive tackle in the draft. He hopes to pattern himself after the N.F.L. tackles Ted Washington (6-5, 365 pounds) of the Cleveland Browns and Jamal Williams (6-3, 348) of the San Diego Chargers.

“He is definitely a topic of conversation right now,” said Gil Brandt, former vice president for player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys, who is now an analyst for NFL.com. “A lot of people are talking about him.”

Thomas represents the hard choice that every team faces at some point on draft day — to pick a player with supreme physical ability and a questionable past, or to go with a player who has limited talent but a proven track record.

Thomas would not be such a secret in the draft if he had not buried himself in college. He played at Oklahoma State as a freshman in 2004, but failed out of school before his sophomore season. He spent 2005 trying to regain his academic eligibility and went to Northwest Mississippi in 2006.

“People like to tell me, ‘As big as you are, you’ll always get another chance,’ ” Thomas said. “But I think I’ve used up all my chances.”

Thomas acts contrite and gentle, but his behavior can still be erratic. An interview for this story was scheduled for Friday morning in Galveston. Thomas arrived early Saturday, apologizing profusely that he confused the dates.

Thomas was accompanied by Martha Overton, a 54-year-old whom he calls his second mother. Thomas went to school with Overton’s daughter, Elizabeth, and steadily ingratiated himself in her family. Now, he appears in all of their Christmas pictures. When he leaves Martha Overton’s sight, he gives her two bearhugs.

“Walter has a lot of people who care for him very deeply,” Martha Overton said.

Thomas needs the support system, especially in the new N.F.L. Commissioner Roger Goodell recently announced a personal-conduct policy that threatens teams for repeatedly signing troublemakers. When Thomas visited the Jets, the Dolphins and the Browns, they grilled him about his arrest, he said.

He might as well have answered in rhyme. Thomas stars in a Galveston hip- hop group called Tre Side, and he recently wrote a rap about football, the mistakes he has made and his desire to correct them.

From the stereo of his first car, a Ford Expedition that he picked up Friday, Thomas blasted one of his raps. He repeats the same line in a husky baritone: “I’m tired of wasting time.”

As a prospect, Thomas is intriguing because of both his baggage and his potential. In the two games he did play last season, his numbers were mind-blowing: 16 tackles, 9 tackles for a loss and 4 sacks.

“You absolutely cannot run at him,” said Les Miles, the Louisiana State University coach, who recruited Thomas to Oklahoma State. “You have to go in another direction.”

Thomas cannot expect to be picked until the second day of the draft — rounds four through seven — but he should immediately become one of the biggest players in the league, and probably the biggest player on his new team.

Thomas has always been the largest guy in the room. In the fifth grade, he was barred from Pop Warner games in Galveston because parents felt he had an unfair advantage. By the time he entered Austin Middle School, he was pushing 300 pounds.

“He took up a whole side of the line,” said Jim Yarborough, a Galveston County judge whose son played against Austin Middle School.

More than any specific game, Yarborough remembers the first time he shook hands with Thomas. “It was like he swallowed my whole hand,” Yarborough said.

Growing up, Thomas was somewhat self-conscious about his size, so he befriended the smallest kids in school. They played a game called “Cut the Cake,” in which they found the biggest building in town and raced each other around it.

Today, Thomas still has many of the same friends, and few of them weigh more than 150 pounds. He could bench-press three of them at a time.

“That’s where I got my speed,” Thomas said. “I had to keep up with all those little guys.”

To demonstrate, Thomas took off his size 16 sneakers, slid into a white tank top and did one of his forward flips on the grass next to a beachfront apartment building. He stuck the landing. The expression on his face was part grimace and part grin.

A man watching from his apartment balcony came running. The man wore an Ohio State T-shirt and had many questions. Who is this specimen? Does he play football? Would he be interested in going to college at Ohio State?

But Thomas was already in his Expedition, driving down Seawall Boulevard, blasting music by the rapper Slim Thug, another performer who is not particularly slim.

For a few more days, Thomas can still keep himself a secret.
 

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who was the guy in the chat calling this guy fat?! guy looks like he could still gain 10 lbs
 

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Wimbo;1482124 said:
I just read that the Saints signed Walter Thomas.

Too bad, would have liked to see him try out on the cheap.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1481148 said:
I have a feeling there is more to it than just academic problems.

I have a feeling that his coaches said he is lazy, does not commit or there are mental/psychological problems or maybe there are legal or health issues with the kid.

I just think there is more to this and just no way I could get excited at this point about the kid.

As I said, I don't have any objections if they bring him in for a look, but I also don't see why people have desired this guy so much before, during and now after the draft based on his size and a video clip.


The problem is he was arrested for robbery!!!
 

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Definetly would like to pick him up:

Positives: Has a thick, massive frame with long arms, large hands, very thick chest, broad shoulders, thick thighs and calves … Demonstrates excellent foot speed for a player carrying his girth, but he could be even more efficient if he shed roughly 30-40 pounds … Short stepper who gets out of control at times, but shows a non-stop effort … Has very good explosion off the snap and is explosive penetrating the gaps … Lays it on the line every play and, despite his tall frame, he shows a low center of gravity and very good upper-body strength to deliver vicious arm swipes … Can be sudden off the snap and shows quickness on the edge of a blocker … Once he gains advantage over an opponent, he keeps it … Instinctive and quick on the move, doing a nice job of recognizing blocking schemes and reacting to play-action … Stacks at the point of attack and uses his leverage and strength to hold ground firmly … Keeps his feet free and is a powerful force shooting the gaps … Demands constant double-team action to contain him and is not moved off his mark quickly … Makes quick use of his hands, working across the face of the blocker and will engage with good urgency, keeping his hands active in attempts to shed … Delivers a strong hand punch, especially in tight quarters and there is no leakage working inside … Will create problems if an opponent attempts to single block him … Gets a good push coming off the snap and arrives in the backfield with intent on getting to the passer … Has the hand usage to control blockers on strength alone … For a player his size, he is very nimble and light on his feet, showing good stop-and-go action.

Negatives: Light on his feet, but needs to be placed in a nutritional program to shed at least 30-40 pounds from his frame … Plays until the whistle early in games, but the added girth causes him to tire quickly … Struggled in the classroom and might have problems digesting a playbook … Gets out of control in his pursuit, but shows loose hips and change-of-direction agility to recover … Plays mostly on brute strength and will need patient coaching to develop … While not moved off the line quickly by blockers, he needs to do a better job of using his hands to protect his feet … Better tackler inside the box, as he will get his base narrow and take arm swipes on the move (will miss in space).

Compares To: Terdell Sands, Oakland -- Actually, Thomas is a mixture of Ted Washington, for size and ability to occupy multiple blocker; Sands, for his explosion and long reach; and Marcus Stroud, for his ability to shoot the gaps and wreak havoc in the backfield … Don't be surprised if Jacksonville takes this player to develop behind Stroud and John Henderson, who could be perfect mentors to unearth his hidden talent … This might be the best "unknown" player in the 2007 draft.
 

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Wimbo;1482124 said:
I just read that the Saints signed Walter Thomas.

Darn it, with Wade's Southeast Texas connections, I thought we would have had the inside track...

We must have decided he just wasn't worth it.
 

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well, i tried if he went to the saints, i sent 7-9 emails to writers for the cowboys, norm, mickey, nick, the goose, and cowboys headquarters, telling them to please let the cowboys know about him, so i tried, i got one email back from the goose, he said, thanks for the info on undrafted cowboys signing, and that he was sure that the cowboys were aware of thomas, and he was sure there would be a small mini bidding war on thomas, so i tried, shoot, i wanted thomas, cotton picking saints, you watch, this year, Walter Thomas will be the Colston rookie, and if you remember, back in the bears day, they had a big guy on defense too, the refrigerator, joe
 

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I just checked the Saints main forum and they thought he had signed with the Eagles. I just checked their ESPN site and nothing there.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1480902 said:
I heard that he attempted to do another standing front flip to impress any team out there and hoping they sign him as an undrafted FA.

Problem was he did it at an ice skating rink during the half time of a hockey game.

Well he got all the way around and landed on his feet before he slipped rather badly and broke both elbows and his butt bone (yes butt bone is the scientific/medical term) and now will have a few months in recovery.

I understand that his injuries are so bad that he can not wipe his backside on his own, due to his broken elbows, and when he has the nurse wipe for him it is very painful due to the broken butt bone.


I heard that he made the flip and was instantly signed by the hockey team as a street free agent.

He then proptly scored a -8 on his IQ exam given by the hockey team and failed a random drug screen... so he was kicked off the team.

So... lucky for us, he's now available as a UDFA for us to sign!!
 
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