Anybody hear Wilbon ...

[WV Cowboy]

Anybody hear Wilbon say that when people question Vick's ability to pass it is a racial thing ?

He went on to say that if a blonde haired white guy won games but didn't pass well he would be a hero.

 

[TheHustler]

or... they could be right?

 

[burmafrd]

Its always about race. Stupid people. Well, its not like they have intelligent sportswriters or sportscasters. Ignorant, dumb and stupid.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Anybody hear Wilbon say that when people question Vick's ability to pass it is a racial thing ?

He went on to say that if a blonde haired white guy won games but didn't pass well he would be a hero.

Oh don't be confused, Wilbon has a big mouth and both oo them on that show say constroversial stuff to raise the hair on the back of viewers necks to increase ratings. He's not playing a race card so much as he's trying to promote Vick's ability by grabbing attention to his plight anyway he can. I think he and Vick are buddies or something like that.

Shut up Wilbon or you'll have ...splaining to do!

 

[Doomsday101]

Anybody hear Wilbon say that when people question Vick's ability to pass it is a racial thing ?

He went on to say that if a blonde haired white guy won games but didn't pass well he would be a hero.

Personally I hate when someone turns this into a black and white issue. Vicks passing numbers says it all he ranks at the bottom of the league and no it is not his WR it is him and his inability to hang in a pocket and let the rout develop. As far as his athletic ability I think Vick is the most gifted player in the NFL but his passing numbers do not lie.

 

[percyhoward]

Vick´s the 26th-highest rated passer in the NFL.

I don´t think you get points for hair in those rankings, or else Hasselbeck wouldn´t be in the top ten.

That said, the rating formula should be updated to include running stats, then it would be a true QB rating, and not just a passer rating.

 

[TheHustler]

Oh don't be confused, Wilbon has a big mouth and both oo them on that show say constroversial stuff to raise the hair on the back of viewers necks to increase ratings. He's not playing a race card so much as he's trying to promote Vick's ability by grabbing attention to his plight anyway he can. I think he and Vick are buddies or something like that.

Shut up Wilbon or you'll have ...splaining to do!

I think it is time to change your sig

Whats the Eagle spin on the TO situation anyway?

I'm sure if this was a Commanders thing Art would be spouting off about how he was overrated anyway.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Vicks passing numbers says it all he ranks at the bottom of the league and no it is not his WR it is him and his inability to hang in a pocket and let the rout develop. ...his passing numbers do not lie.

I have no problem with that perspective.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Anybody hear Wilbon say that when people question Vick's ability to pass it is a racial thing ?

He went on to say that if a blonde haired white guy won games but didn't pass well he would be a hero.

This makes me laugh. I think that we actually had one of those a year or so ago (Blonde Haired White Guy). He got drafted as a WR by the Jags. Interesting how little thought is actually put into these sports segments sometimes.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have no problem with that perspective.

Hey I just look at a ball player as a ball player and race just plays no part in it for me. I freely admit without Vick Atlanta suffers because he is such a great athlete but I think Atlanta will continue to struggle to make it to the SB as long as Vick struggles with the passing game.

 

[aikemirv]

Well, if I saw a white guy run like that I would be in awe, cause I have never seen one run like that before.

When I see a black guy run like that, I am in awe, but I have seen one run like that before (Barry Sanders) so it is not surprising.

What does that have to do with the fact that up to this point in time he has proven to be an inconsistent passer who does not stay in the pocket long enough for his receivers to get open at times, and if not for his running skills is a very average, or less than that passing QB.

Yes, he wins games, no question aboiut that, but he self proclaims that he is the "best in the business" without proving it on the field.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Anybody hear Wilbon say that when people question Vick's ability to pass it is a racial thing ?

He went on to say that if a blonde haired white guy won games but didn't pass well he would be a hero.

Hey Wilbon, Vick is already considered a hero by the overwhelming majority of the fans in the league.

You might want to point that out.


Rich......
Wilbon forgets that JP Losman was lambasted by the Buffalo fans for running too much instead of passing effectively. And oh yeah, Steve Young had the same problems as well in his career.

 

[Kangaroo]

Well, if I saw a white guy run like that I would be in awe, cause I have never seen one run like that before.

When I see a black guy run like that, I am in awe, but I have seen one run like that before (Barry Sanders) so it is not surprising.

What does that have to do with the fact that up to this point in time he has proven to be an inconsistent passer who does not stay in the pocket long enough for his receivers to get open at times, and if not for his running skills is a very average, or less than that passing QB.

Yes, he wins games, no question aboiut that, but he self proclaims that he is the "best in the business" without proving it on the field.

In other words he is Kyle Boller with better running skills cause that Blonde hair guy suxs and was a bad draft day reach I questioned

 

[NorTex]

I don't understand how you can bring up the race card on this issue...that's just stupid.

Once upon a time in Chicago, a long time ago, there was a QB named Bobby Douglas. He was as white as you could be...he was alot like Vick...great runner, horrible passer. People used to say the same things they're saying about Vick...he needs to pass better...

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I think it is time to change your sig

Whats the Eagle spin on the TO situation anyway?

I'm sure if this was a Commanders thing Art would be spouting off about how he was overrated anyway.

SSSShhhhhhhhh! Darn it -- didn't think anyone would notice that! I've already placed some requests in for a different banner.

Seriously, that's a rough question for me ...a good question, but just difficult. I suppose T.O. does have some issues he needs to resolve -- but certainly not at the expense of the Eagles potential to come together as a team.

While I thought his little suarray (uncertain spelling) with the press to denigrate the Eagles and players was the last straw, but his incident with Hugh Douglas was utterly unsound judgement by a professional "millionaire" athlete. Looking back at several prior T.O. related incidents, it all comes together that he was responding to situations in an unhealthy manner detrimental to the team.

My only interest about T.O. at this juncture is that I'm curious to determine where he will be employed next, and how will he work out at that location; knowing that he will be on his best behavior.

I have to give kudos to Andy Reid and the entire Eagles organization for standing tall under this type of adversity. This situation could have exploded into something much uglier. Perhap the Eagles will respond to this transition like a ...Phoenix being born out of the ashes of fire!


In fact, I'm removing my banner as an act of support for the Eagles.

 

[joseephuss]

I didn't hear Wilbon's comments, so I don't know the context of his statements. I don't think that race is the biggest issue with people's impressions of Vick, but I do think that race plays a small part in evaluating Vick. I don't think it plays a big part or matters to the vast marjority of fans; however, I do think there is a small(and I emphasize the small) percentage of people who factor in Vick's race when they evaluate him as an NFL QB.

There is always a small percentage of people that can't see past skin color and it goes both ways.

There are a few that will never like Vick because he is black. They also don't like McNair, McNabb or Culpepper. Their racial hatred effects their ability to evaluate from a pure football standpoint. That is why they will lump these QBs all into the same category such as they are all running QBs. That is obviously not the case. These four QBs have very distinctive and different QB styles from each other, yet because they are black, they all play the same.

There are also a few that can't see anything wrong with Vick because he is black. They can't be critical of him at all, but if he were white, it would be easy to crticize him.

To me it is obvious. Vick is the product of the hype machine. He is hyped so much that some people get tired of seeing him. They hope he fails so the media stops hyping him. Same with Peyton Manning. That is why people hate the Yankees, the Lakers and the Cowboys.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I have to give kudos to Andy Reid and the entire Eagles organization for standing tall under this type of adversity. This situation could have exploded into something much uglier.

Dude, I know you are a philly homer, but you can't believe all of that.

If they were standing tall they would have done this long ago, and I don't see how it could have gotten much uglier.

 

[slick325]

Give me wins and I am happy. If I win more games with my QB playing than I do without him who cares if he throws for 300 plus yards or not? The man has won his 1st playoff start ever in of all places hallowed Green Bay against "Mr. 300 plus yard games" Brett Farve and he lead his team to the NFC Championship game all by 25 years old going into his 5th season. What else do you want?

 

[Dale]

White and black quarterbacks are all criticized for their shortcomings (well, maybe other than Brett Favre LOL).

Peyton Manning has long carried the label of being unable to win big games. Jake Plummer has always been considered erratic. Brian Griese as unreliable, often being (jokingly?) referred to as a 'drunk' because of some of his past behaviors; Kerry Collins, too, for that matter.

Criticizing Vick's inability to consistently throw the ball is no different. It's a weakness. Like Manning's weakness, he has done enough to show that he is competent and can win games; but still, it's a weakness that lingers until proven wrong.

And despite Vick claiming he proved his doubters wrong, one 220-yard passing effort is not the vindication he should be desiring.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Give me wins and I am happy. If I win more games with my QB playing than I do without him who cares if he throws for 300 plus yards or not? The man has won his 1st playoff start ever in of all places hallowed Green Bay against "Mr. 300 plus yard games" Brett Farve and he lead his team to the NFC Championship game all by 25 years old going into his 5th season. What else do you want?

I want people to stop insinuating racisam because you may not share the opinion that Vick is a great QB.

It is not a difficult concept.