Anyone agree with this: Dallas has a good secondary

[Romonater]

I could be wrong, but I constantly see people here complaining about the depth in our DB position. ASSUMING THEY ALL STAY HEALTHY, I actually believe this area is one of the strongest in our team

Morris Claiborne-He's not a shutdown corner, but I've seen first round CBs play far worse than him. He's a good CB with a high ceiling. Just needs to stay healthy

Brandon Carr-Never gets hurt, always reliable. I for one think he is one of the most underrated players on our team.

Orlando Scandrick-I'm putting this guy in the third spot only because he's coming from injury. In my opinion, when he's healthy, he is no doubt one of the best slot CBs in the game. He struggled a bit in the 2014 playoffs though.

Byron Jones-Could be a star in the making, but I think that he's going to help the CBs with his intelligence and his freakish athletic ability.

Barry Church-Like Carr, he's underrated and dependable. He's not Troy Polamalu or anything, but I think he brings a toughness to our football team. He's a good run stopper but a bit of a reliability in coverage. I think Byron can do wonders for his career too.

Anthony Brown-So far, this guy appears to be homerun pick. He reminds me of Scandrick when we first drafted him. If i'm betting money, he will be replacing Mo or Brandon next year. He will have some growing pains but I think he will make more big plays throughout the season.


Granted I know we have a poor defensive line, but if we can get serviceable pressure, perhaps our talents in the secondary will shine.

 

[ilykdrama]

Finally it seems to be the only liability in the passing game is Church and Carr on certain routes/coverages. I'll take that out of 5 Db's in a nickel set.

 

[jazzcat22]

Man, this good OP going to get raked by the usual suspects. LOL.

I agree, this can happen, as it starts by having 3 solid CB's. They aren't shutdown types, but they are solid players, though some will disagree, because they think our entire team sucks. But that is their problem...LOL..

I think Jones will make Church better, becaue we have a true FS so therefore will have a true SS. Which in turn removes pressure off of the CB's.
I don't think the DL is as bad as some want to believe, as the DT rotation can be a strength, therefore allowing the DE's to play better. However, that remains to be seen. But it could happen. That is the huge wildcard right now, the DE's. Can they produce, or even hold down the fort, until we get DLaw back.

LB'er depth an issue right now too, but if the DT's do what they are supposed to do, this helps the LB's tremendously.

A lot of wait and see and if's, but I certainly do not think the D will be worse than last year, or 2014, as they were the same stat wise. And now we do have better players then those 2 years. Even though some make it like we have a high school D out there.

 

[4lifecowboy]

At this point all we can do is predict, cause ultimately performance determines if we have a good secondary, or team for that matter. So until the season gets underway all we can do is speculate. But my prediction is the defense will be better overall then the general expectation media wise. The LB corp. and injuries are my biggest concerns at this time.

 

[GIFTS86]

In my opinion it's gonna have a lot to do with how the d-line does. And for the Secondary as far as there talent from the past few years I'm not optimistic about it. I really hope carr and Claiborne really shine this season. I wanna see at least more passes defended, strips etc.

 

[dogunwo]

I agree, much like the D-line, I think people are over worried about it. I think we have a big problem with the LBers.

 

[KJJ]

If we don't have at least some resemblance of a pass rush the secondary is bound to struggle. If you give even an average QB enough time they'll take you apart.

 

[GIFTS86]

I agree, much like the D-line, I think people are over worried about it. I think we have a big problem with the LBers.

The d-line is a legit concern but do agree about the LB situation.

 

[Sydla]

We do this every year with the first few days of camp............ overrate just how good our units might be.

The secondary is likely not going to be "good" because of two big issues. One is Church. He's a liability against the pass. He just is. They really needed to figure out a way to upgrade his spot this offseason but as I said in another thread, I think we have another Nick Hayden scenario playing out where Marinelli just loves Church when all the evidence suggests Church simply is a problem out there. And as pointed out in another thread, Church wasn't great against the run last year either.

I will not be fooled by Claiborne at this early juncture. Maybe the light bulb has gone off for him but I won't believe it until I see it. Plus he's always dogged by injuries it seems. So penciling him in as some rebound player might be way premature at this point.

The secondary's ceiling is probably league average. Not great, not terrible.

 

[GIFTS86]

We do this every year with the first few days of camp............ overrate just how good our units might be.

The secondary is likely not going to be "good" because of two big issues. One is Church. He's a liability against the pass. He just is. They really needed to figure out a way to upgrade his spot this offseason but as I said in another thread, I think we have another Nick Hayden scenario playing out where Marinelli just loves Church when all the evidence suggests Church simply is a problem out there. And as pointed out in another thread, Church wasn't great against the run last year either.

I will not be fooled by Claiborne at this early juncture. Maybe the light bulb has gone off for him but I won't believe it until I see it. Plus he's always dogged by injuries it seems. So penciling him in as some rebound player might be way premature at this point.

The secondary's ceiling is probably league average. Not great, not terrible.

Hey if they are middle of the pack and injuries are not too serious then I really feel good that this will be a good season.

 

[Longboysfan]

This defense needs to pressure all over the field to be good.

One element not doing their job - this defense is exposed.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

We will find out, but it doesn't matter how good you are in the secondary if you can't create some pressure.

I'm also very curious to watch Deji.

 

[gimmesix]

I could be wrong, but I constantly see people here complaining about the depth in our DB position. ASSUMING THEY ALL STAY HEALTHY, I actually believe this area is one of the strongest in our team

Morris Claiborne-He's not a shutdown corner, but I've seen first round CBs play far worse than him. He's a good CB with a high ceiling. Just needs to stay healthy

Brandon Carr-Never gets hurt, always reliable. I for one think he is one of the most underrated players on our team.

Orlando Scandrick-I'm putting this guy in the third spot only because he's coming from injury. In my opinion, when he's healthy, he is no doubt one of the best slot CBs in the game. He struggled a bit in the 2014 playoffs though.

Byron Jones-Could be a star in the making, but I think that he's going to help the CBs with his intelligence and his freakish athletic ability.

Barry Church-Like Carr, he's underrated and dependable. He's not Troy Polamalu or anything, but I think he brings a toughness to our football team. He's a good run stopper but a bit of a reliability in coverage. I think Byron can do wonders for his career too.

Anthony Brown-So far, this guy appears to be homerun pick. He reminds me of Scandrick when we first drafted him. If i'm betting money, he will be replacing Mo or Brandon next year. He will have some growing pains but I think he will make more big plays throughout the season.


Granted I know we have a poor defensive line, but if we can get serviceable pressure, perhaps our talents in the secondary will shine.

The secondary was not that bad last year despite missing Scandrick, so it should be better with Scandrick back and Jones moving to safety. However, that depends on certain elements, such as Claiborne staying healthy and continuing to build on what he showed for the first part of last season and Carr at least playing at an acceptable level.

I feel pretty good about Jones but we'll have to see if teams find any weaknesses to attack with him now that he's the starting free safety.

Brown will likely play like a typical secondary rookie and have lots of ups and downs.

I like Church better than many on here and believe he'd be consider a solid starting safety by most teams. He's not spectacular, and we want spectacular, but he's a good player.

However, the problem even if they all are great will be the line. We have not gotten serviceable pressure the past two years and there's really no reason to expect that to change. If it doesn't, it won't matter if we have the next Deion Sanders in the secondary.

 

[MileyDancer]

Which1st round cornerbacks have played worse than Morris Claiborne?

 

[GIFTS86]

Just give me the answer lol. Is it Claiborne?

 

[Sydla]

The secondary was not that bad last year despite missing Scandrick, so it should be better with Scandrick back and Jones moving to safety. However, that depends on certain elements, such as Claiborne staying healthy and continuing to build on what he showed for the first part of last season and Carr at least playing at an acceptable level.

I feel pretty good about Jones but we'll have to see if teams find any weaknesses to attack with him now that he's the starting free safety.

Brown will likely play like a typical secondary rookie and have lots of ups and downs.

I like Church better than many on here and believe he'd be consider a solid starting safety by most teams. He's not spectacular, and we want spectacular, but he's a good player.

However, the problem even if they all are great will be the line. We have not gotten serviceable pressure the past two years and there's really no reason to expect that to change. If it doesn't, it won't matter if we have the next Deion Sanders in the secondary.

He's really not. He's pretty much poor against the pass and while people like to laud him for his tackling and run support, he was pretty poor there last year as well.

I doubt he wouldn't be a starting safety for more than half the teams in the NFL. PFF ranked him outside the Top 50 for safeties last year. And while PFF isn't the end all be all, it at least gives you a range where this guy fits.

 

[Tenkamenin]

Our defense as a whole is atrocious, however the secondary is slightly a better unit than the rest but that ain't saying much at all. The Giants are going to have a field day with us.

 

[gimmesix]

He's really not. He's pretty much poor against the pass and while people like to laud him for his tackling and run support, he was pretty poor there last year as well.

I doubt he wouldn't be a starting safety for more than half the teams in the NFL. PFF ranked him outside the Top 50 for safeties last year. And while PFF isn't the end all be all, it at least gives you a range where this guy fits.

We'll disagree on this. I see a player who mostly handles his assignment and occasionally makes a mistake. His mistakes get harped on by the fan base while the numerous times he's in good position or makes the play are ignored.

He's not perfect because he doesn't have good speed for recovery, but he's rarely attacked because he plays with good awareness and knowledge.

If Church was as bad as some of you believe he is teams would target him a lot more than they do, much like they started to do with Roy Williams, which led to his career demise.

 

[RS12]

Anyone agree with this: Dallas has a good secondary

Nope.

 

[Sydla]

We'll disagree on this. I see a player who mostly handles his assignment and occasionally makes a mistake. His mistakes get harped on by the fan base while the numerous times he's in good position or makes the play are ignored.

He's not perfect because he doesn't have good speed for recovery, but he's rarely attacked because he plays with good awareness and knowledge.

If Church was as bad as some of you believe he is teams would target him a lot more than they do, much like they started to do with Roy Williams, which led to his career demise.

He made a ton of mistakes last year, not an occasional one here or there. He also missed a ton of tackles last year.

He's going to get picked on a lot this year now that he won't have Wilcox playing next to him.

I suspect he plays because like Hayden who started and shouldn't have, Church is a Marinelli favorite.