Anyone agree with this: Dallas has a good secondary

[CATCH17]

If Scandrick comes back healthy and Byron takes another step forward then i'll concede that it is good.


Claiborne and Carr take a lot of heat but in reality they are both at the least average corners.

 

[GIFTS86]

Who could we put back there as of right now to replace church? Heath? What FA? Who could perform at least a little above his abilities? Seems like we are stuck with him for at least this year.

 

[CowboyChris]

If Byron Jones becomes an upgrade at FS then I'll sign off as this group being Good. I'm not doubting him, but we got to wait and see how he does.

 

[Teague31]

Given the results of last year with the same group how could anyone think otherwise?

 

[gimmesix]

He made a ton of mistakes last year, not an occasional one here or there. He also missed a ton of tackles last year.

He's going to get picked on a lot this year now that he won't have Wilcox playing next to him.

I suspect he plays because like Hayden who started and shouldn't have, Church is a Marinelli favorite.

I'm not going to argue with you because in order to win this debate one of us would have to provide proof that he did not make a ton of mistakes or that he did. I don't have time to go break down film and show you how seldom Church made a mistake.

I don't want to anyway because I think he's an upgradeable player because of his lack of speed, but I think some fans are blinded to him being a good player (not a great one) by a few standout mistakes that validate their bias.

I suspect that Marinelli plays him because he's the best safety on this roster. He might be second best now with Jones playing free safety, but I'll wait and see on that one.

 

[Sportsbabe]

I could be wrong, but I constantly see people here complaining about the depth in our DB position. ASSUMING THEY ALL STAY HEALTHY, I actually believe this area is one of the strongest in our team

Morris Claiborne-He's not a shutdown corner, but I've seen first round CBs play far worse than him. He's a good CB with a high ceiling. Just needs to stay healthy

Brandon Carr-Never gets hurt, always reliable. I for one think he is one of the most underrated players on our team.

Orlando Scandrick-I'm putting this guy in the third spot only because he's coming from injury. In my opinion, when he's healthy, he is no doubt one of the best slot CBs in the game. He struggled a bit in the 2014 playoffs though.

Byron Jones-Could be a star in the making, but I think that he's going to help the CBs with his intelligence and his freakish athletic ability.

Barry Church-Like Carr, he's underrated and dependable. He's not Troy Polamalu or anything, but I think he brings a toughness to our football team. He's a good run stopper but a bit of a reliability in coverage. I think Byron can do wonders for his career too.

Anthony Brown-So far, this guy appears to be homerun pick. He reminds me of Scandrick when we first drafted him. If i'm betting money, he will be replacing Mo or Brandon next year. He will have some growing pains but I think he will make more big plays throughout the season.


Granted I know we have a poor defensive line, but if we can get serviceable pressure, perhaps our talents in the secondary will shine.

Not until I see them stop the forward pass during regular season. That's how I judge our secondary.

 

[zrinkill]

Not gonna believe it till they prove it.

 

[Romonater]

Prince from NY never lived up to his draft status. Dee Milliner was supposed to replace Revis when Revis left to NE. He has been benched and I don't think he's starting. He was so bad they had to bring Revis back. Listen, I'm not a huge fan of Mos, but I am one of the few who doesn't believe he's absolutely dreadful. Think about the amount of filth in the defensive linemen the last couple of years. These CBs are being put in a place in which they can't win.


Also while Statistics are misleading, this team was in the top 5 in terms of pass yards allowed last year. That was with a rookie safety, a hurt Mo and no scandrick.

 

[perrykemp]

I think the secondary has a chance to be solid if everything goes well.

Unfortunately I don't think have it in them to be 'great' due to absolutely lack of playmaking ability (interceptions, FF, FR) in Claiborne, Carr, and Church. Even Byron Jones is questionable in terms in department as well.

• Claiborne has averaged 0.75 interceptions per season in his 4 year career.
• Church has averaged 0.50 interceptions per season in his 6 year career.
• Carr has averaged 0.50 interceptions per season in his 4 years in Dallas.
• Jones has averaged 1.4 interceptions per season going back 5 years through his freshman year at Connecticut.
• Scandrick has averaged 1 interception per season going back in the 7 years he has played in the NFL.

None of these guys have ever shown themselves to playmakers.

The positive: All of them are at least competent and because of that I think they can be a 'solid' secondary.

I think their ceiling is 'solid', however, I'd love to be proven wrong.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I could be wrong, but I constantly see people here complaining about the depth in our DB position. ASSUMING THEY ALL STAY HEALTHY, I actually believe this area is one of the strongest in our team

Morris Claiborne-He's not a shutdown corner, but I've seen first round CBs play far worse than him. He's a good CB with a high ceiling. Just needs to stay healthy

Brandon Carr-Never gets hurt, always reliable. I for one think he is one of the most underrated players on our team.

Orlando Scandrick-I'm putting this guy in the third spot only because he's coming from injury. In my opinion, when he's healthy, he is no doubt one of the best slot CBs in the game. He struggled a bit in the 2014 playoffs though.

Byron Jones-Could be a star in the making, but I think that he's going to help the CBs with his intelligence and his freakish athletic ability.

Barry Church-Like Carr, he's underrated and dependable. He's not Troy Polamalu or anything, but I think he brings a toughness to our football team. He's a good run stopper but a bit of a reliability in coverage. I think Byron can do wonders for his career too.

Anthony Brown-So far, this guy appears to be homerun pick. He reminds me of Scandrick when we first drafted him. If i'm betting money, he will be replacing Mo or Brandon next year. He will have some growing pains but I think he will make more big plays throughout the season.


Granted I know we have a poor defensive line, but if we can get serviceable pressure, perhaps our talents in the secondary will shine.

Goodness! My DeLorean took me back to 2006! And I found us asking if we had a good secondary!!!!

 

[Romonater]

Goodness! My DeLorean took me back to 2006! And I found us asking if we had a good secondary!!!!

Er....ok

 

[KDM256]

I believe Dallas Secondary will be a top 10 unit this year. I understand we need Rushers to help with that claim but I believe Dallas DBs aren't as bad as fans make them out to be. Especially when your said DBs (Defense) has been out on the field all game due to Offensive 3 & outs.

 

[rwalters31]

I could be wrong, but I constantly see people here complaining about the depth in our DB position. ASSUMING THEY ALL STAY HEALTHY, I actually believe this area is one of the strongest in our team

Morris Claiborne-He's not a shutdown corner, but I've seen first round CBs play far worse than him. He's a good CB with a high ceiling. Just needs to stay healthy

Brandon Carr-Never gets hurt, always reliable. I for one think he is one of the most underrated players on our team.

Orlando Scandrick-I'm putting this guy in the third spot only because he's coming from injury. In my opinion, when he's healthy, he is no doubt one of the best slot CBs in the game. He struggled a bit in the 2014 playoffs though.

Byron Jones-Could be a star in the making, but I think that he's going to help the CBs with his intelligence and his freakish athletic ability.

Barry Church-Like Carr, he's underrated and dependable. He's not Troy Polamalu or anything, but I think he brings a toughness to our football team. He's a good run stopper but a bit of a reliability in coverage. I think Byron can do wonders for his career too.

Anthony Brown-So far, this guy appears to be homerun pick. He reminds me of Scandrick when we first drafted him. If i'm betting money, he will be replacing Mo or Brandon next year. He will have some growing pains but I think he will make more big plays throughout the season.


Granted I know we have a poor defensive line, but if we can get serviceable pressure, perhaps our talents in the secondary will shine.

OK, I do believe that the secondary is the best part of our defense followed by the LBs. The DL is the unit that will sink up the place. Having said that, I think that against the very good offenses, Dallas's defense will have a very tough time and the Dallas offense will have a tough time winning those games. I haven't changed my mind on the Dallas record for 2016, 9 and 7.

 

[Sydla]

I'm not going to argue with you because in order to win this debate one of us would have to provide proof that he did not make a ton of mistakes or that he did. I don't have time to go break down film and show you how seldom Church made a mistake.

I don't want to anyway because I think he's an upgradeable player because of his lack of speed, but I think some fans are blinded to him being a good player (not a great one) by a few standout mistakes that validate their bias.

I suspect that Marinelli plays him because he's the best safety on this roster. He might be second best now with Jones playing free safety, but I'll wait and see on that one.

He's not a good player. He's likely league average, and that might be generous.

If one is playing such fundamental, solid, in position football, certainly one would have at least a pass defended last year. Church apparently had ZERO.

He's a complete and total liability in the passing game.

 

[CATCH17]

If Byron Jones becomes an upgrade at FS then I'll sign off as this group being Good. I'm not doubting him, but we got to wait and see how he does.

Who knows with this new secondary coach too.. We may actually see some guys progress here in Dallas for a change.

 

[Bullflop]

It's early yet and if memory serves me correctly, it normally takes offenses the most time to get going vs. defenses in training camp. If I haven't been mistaken and gotten it backwards, it might explain why Dallas' defense has dominated up until now.

Possibly in time, the offense will catch up and perhaps surpass whatever degree of success that the defense is able to have. It could well be too early just yet to get a good indication as to what the situation might be by the time camp winds down.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

The scary thing is our secondary is probably the best and deepest part of the defense. I definitely don't think we're a bad secondary. We still have our flaws but we also have potential. We're an average defense at worst and a top 10-12 defense at best. Problem is, this secondary shouldn't be the best unit on an NFL defense.

 

[Maxmadden]

I'm not going to argue with you because in order to win this debate one of us would have to provide proof that he did not make a ton of mistakes or that he did. I don't have time to go break down film and show you how seldom Church made a mistake.

I don't want to anyway because I think he's an upgradeable player because of his lack of speed, but I think some fans are blinded to him being a good player (not a great one) by a few standout mistakes that validate their bias.

I suspect that Marinelli plays him because he's the best safety on this roster. He might be second best now with Jones playing free safety, but I'll wait and see on that one.

I wouldn't argue yours or Sydla's point because I thought both were rational based on sound logic, but I kept thinking of your Roy Williams comment.

Perhaps Church has had too much on his plate lately with the revolving safety play. If Byron Jones can man the FS spot it will allow Church to focus on being a SS. Roy Williams was exposed the very second that Woody retired. Byron Jones is the closest thing we have had at safety since.

I think the secondary has the talent, but it is dependent on several things lining up. If Byron Jones can up his play on the back end, then I can see the dominoes in place to have a good secondary.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I would say it's more accurate to say we have the chance to have a good secondary. It's hard to say how many of our problems are due to bad secondary play and how many are because of a crappy pass rush. My big concern is we may not have improved the rush any and we still won't know.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I have them down as very jaggish. Not bad but not good either. Carr and Claiborne are very marginal. Scandrick is coming off a season ending injury. And our Safeties outside of Jones are flat out bad.

At the same time, Jones had a strong rookie year amd could really boost the secondary with a development leap, Scandrick was a very good #1 CB when henwas healthy and while Carr and Claiborne are marginal, they are capable of matching up with starting caliber NFL WR's.

That Strong Safety position is going to be their Achilles heal