Anyone but skin homers really think

[Bob Sacamano]

Thats just crazy talk. The Commanders have the best OL in the division. Having the QB that needs the most time in the division (Bledsoe) means that the best OL should go hand in hand.

true, but our below-average line last year kept him upright to allow him to make some passes, and we improved the line IMO plus adding a WR who gets off his man and into his routes quickly the caliber of TO

all in all, I'd still choose our WRs and line over your WR and line

 

[1fisher]

Take a DAMN shower before you come back!

We don't need any of the RedStink smell being brought back by a Cowboy fan!

This place smells bad enough with the them coming over here!!

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I have to go there once in while to get a good laugh! I just got activated over there after being banned twice..... I'm going to keep quiet til the season starts then I'll troll again!

Redstinks...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

why is TO much better than Santana?

well that's easy, TO goes up against double-coverage every week, and seemingly always ends up w/ 95 rec., over 1,000 yards and double-digit TDs a year, while when Moss finally received a safety over the top, he went 5 consecutive weeks w/o a 100 yard game last year

teams game-plan for TO and he still beats them more often times than not, while Moss hasn't shown that same ability

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have been following this post, and yes I have read everyone of them... This is my opinion...

Moss hasn't proved, yet, that he can consistently be considered one of the elite receivers in the NFL. He has only had one year with the Commanders, but here is a point that all parties are forgetting. Opponents had no idea what to expect from their offense. And for all you stat guys who like to see proof of this, Moss had 4 of his best 5 games of the REGULAR season in the first 6 games of the season. After that he was average as a #1 reciever. When teams had more time and tape to adjust to their revamped offense, he "came back down to earth". He caught 4 Tds in the last 10 games... Only problem is that 3 of them came in a blowout of the Giants... So he caught TD's in 2 of the last 10 games. He had stretches of 3 and 4 consecutive games without a TD. Owens, since 2001, which is as far as the stats on NFL.com would allow me to look, has never had 3 consecutive games without a TD.

As far as T.O. and the Cowboys, I would definately expect a similarly fast start, and a lull in the middle of the season, with an average finish. This is the NFL, and teams will find a way to make you adjust your offense. Just ask the Commanders from last year.

The proof will be in the pudding this year for Moss. If he is an "elite" reciever, he will have to prove it this year.... As for now, I think T.O. is much better, and has been for a longer period of time...

that seemed to shut the skin fans up

 

[ghst187]

Dallas has a solid edge over Wash in the WR dept but I don't think that's a put-down or insult to Wash.
I think TO is the top WR in the game and Chad J is probably #2....S Moss is probably #3 or #4 alongside S Smith right now.
I think TG is clearly better than Lloyd right now but that's not to say Lloyd won't have a big year this year.
If Crayton plays as well as he did before the injury, we have a top flight WR corps. I think Wash's are pretty good too though.
I wouldn't count Cooley when we talk about this unless you are throwing in TE's too because he's really more comparable as an H-back to a TE than to a WR and Witten is clearly a better TE but I will say that Cooley is very good at the H-back. Again, I don't think its an insult or biased to say we have a slight advantage in this dept.
It should be interesting to see if Cooley can be as productive in the new Saunder's offense as he was last year because it will be an entirely different look for him.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it's funny, TO had only 1 less receiving TD than Moss, despite playing in 8 less games, and they wonder why we're saying he's much better

and as for Cartwright over TT, skin fans, you're right, but I'll take Barber over Ladell Betts, c'mon, how often is it that you see the both 1st 2 RBs on a team's depth chart miss a chunk of the season and the 3rd stringer is forced to start?

 

[burmafrd]

Just comparing last year TT and Cartwright are even, but Cart has been around for a while so some would give him an edge for that. Its fair to use only last year since without last year the skins would really look stupid comparing Moss to Owens (they do anyway, but...).

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

that seemed to shut the skin fans up

or maybe we just realized that arguing with some of the people on this board(burmfrd) is like trying to strike a debate with a wall

 

[5Stars]

or maybe we just realized that arguing with some of the people on this board(burmfrd) is like trying to strike a debate with a wall

Ah, come on now...chill out! Talking to Cowboy fans is as easy as Sean Taylor trying to strike a plea bargain!

You might have a hard time communicating because of your logic, err, brainwashing, uh, sheep mentality handed down to you through no fault of Science...but that's who you are...so, "be the best you can be", damnit!

It's all good...


:dissskin:

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Ah, come on now...chill out! Talking to Cowboy fans is as easy as Sean Taylor trying to strike a plea bargain!

You might have a hard time communicating because of your logic, err, brainwashing, uh, sheep mentality handed down to you through no fault of Science...but that's who you are...so, "be the best you can be", damnit!

It's all good...


:dissskin:

:laugh2: I see

 

[Scotman]

Do I get anything other than a headache for reading all of this?

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Do I get anything other than a headache for reading all of this?

well, now you have a vast knoweledge about the Commanders #3 runningback for this upcoming season.

 

[Scotman]

well, now you have a vast knoweledge about the Commanders #3 runningback for this upcoming season.

Yeah, but our 4th RB KICKS ARSE! (Just can't remember his name)

 

[illone]

that they are better at #1 and #2 WR and starting TE? That seems to me an obvious NO but I am looking for opinions.

On paper it would certainly seem that way. Considering what Lloyd did to you guys last season with a crappy QB/team it's safe to say he could do just that and more with a better team/QB and a surrounding cast of better players including oline, and RB.

Plus, Lloyd is still a young, widely unproven talent, still looking up to many potentially productive years in the league.

Sure, Owens is a great player on the field. Nobody can argue that. It's the damage he does in the locker room that is sure to hurt your team.

I can understand why the Skins are ranked above the Cowboys on PAPER because that's all it is: Paper.

 

[burmafrd]

This was not based on just performances against boys and skins but for the whole year. AND its all based on playing- leaving out the locker room stuff.
Owens is better then Moss, and Glenn is better then Lloyd, and Witten is better then Cooley.

 

[AtlCB]

On paper it would certainly seem that way. Considering what Lloyd did to you guys last season with a crappy QB/team it's safe to say he could do just that and more with a better team/QB and a surrounding cast of better players including oline, and RB.

Plus, Lloyd is still a young, widely unproven talent, still looking up to many potentially productive years in the league.

Sure, Owens is a great player on the field. Nobody can argue that. It's the damage he does in the locker room that is sure to hurt your team.

I can understand why the Skins are ranked above the Cowboys on PAPER because that's all it is: Paper.

Isn't Lloyd known for having lockerroom problems?

 

[illone]

This was not based on just performances against boys and skins but for the whole year. AND its all based on playing- leaving out the locker room stuff.
Owens is better then Moss, and Glenn is better then Lloyd, and Witten is better then Cooley.

ESPN clearly agrees with you, too. Hence them ranking the Skins much higher, LOL.

 

[SultanOfSix]

ESPN clearly agrees with you, too. Hence them ranking the Skins much higher, LOL.

Most 'Boys fans here consistently laught at ESPN, that's because most of us here have more knowledge than most of those guys.

It's no fault of their own, they just have their own biases, lack of breadth of information from following multiple teams as well as multiple sports, etc.

That's why most are consistently wrong about a lot of stuff, but they do get things right some of the time. They're not entirely clueless.

 

[illone]

Most 'Boys fans here consistently laught at ESPN, that's because most of us here have more knowledge than most of those guys.

It's no fault of their own, they just have their own biases, lack of breadth of information from following multiple teams as well as multiple sports, etc.

That's why most are consistently wrong about a lot of stuff, but they do get things right some of the time. They're not entirely clueless.

Yea, I don't agree with much of what ESPN spews. It's mostly just nonsense and crappy analyst speak about their "team of the week".

Still, it's the off-season and there isn't much else to compare. I'd still say that the Skins are better on paper. On the field, that has yet to be proven.

 

[Renesis]

This was not based on just performances against boys and skins but for the whole year. AND its all based on playing- leaving out the locker room stuff.
Owens is better then Moss, and Glenn is better then Lloyd, and Witten is better then Cooley.

I agree, they are better, not by leaps and bounds, but better none the less.

However, can you objectively say that your 3-5 recievers are superior to Randle El, Patten and Thrash?