Anyone Hear Key Last Night?

[LittleBoyBlue]

Unforunately, Key hasn't accepted that he isn't a #1 WR anymore and that he makes a decent #2 guy.

yeah and the Irvin interview last year really bothered him.... after that... he prob figured that Irvin was lobbying for TO in Dallas... there was no way Key was coming back to Dallas... he said he didnt like the money Dallas offered or something... but it was more of the fact that TO would be #1 and he would be 2 or 3 and the media would bust on him every chance....


so how does it feel to have a real #1 WR on your team now Keyshawn?

 

[Zaxor]

I've heard and read several things which alluded to him not particularly caring for Bledsoe. So I have no problem with anything he may have said in his show, especially since it's no less critical than what many folks on here say.

It would be hypocritical to call Keyshawn a jerk for what he says about Bledsoe and then turn around and criticize Bledsoe for the very same things.

I like Keyshawn. Liked him before he came, liked him while he was here, and liked him since he left. He's a good solid player, no matter what his role might be on a team at this stage of his career.

beautiful

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Which one?

Well he was talking about still being friends with BP and Jerry and said he hasn't decided whether or not to accept the invitation to attend the game. He never really said it out right, but in the context of what he was talking about, it would mean He would be sitting with Jerry.

 

[adbutcher]

I dont recall Key dropping many passes while he was here, but I do recall him making a number of sensational grabs and making Bledsoe and VT look good...

people might not like Keyshawn or something, but the guy left it all on the field when he was here...he was a good player who did everyhting he was asked and then some

David

Very true....how soon they forget. I guess out of sight, out of mind.

 

[Tuna Helper]

On my commute home, I listened to Key on his weekly show on Sirius Radio, Taking it to the house. A caller asked Key if he thought Bledsoe was a great QB. Key answered, that he would NOT put Bledsoe in the same class as the other QB's he has played with or is playing with now. The caller then asked about Bledsoe leadership quaility on the field and Key said he didn't respect QBs that made excuses or didn't take blame for their own mistakes. (paraphrasing)

Sounds to me like Key didn't like Bledsloe as the QB on this team.

Another interesting note he said was that , even after TO was signed, there was a heavy push from the Cowboys to sign him back, he just didn't like the money.

Also said he MIGHT be in the owners box for Monday's Night Game against the Gaints at Texas Stadium.

If this is what he thinks of Bledsoe, I wonder what he thinks of Vinnie Testaverde.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Key answered, that he would NOT put Bledsoe in the same class as the other QB's he has played with or is playing with now. The caller then asked about Bledsoe leadership quaility on the field and Key said he didn't respect QBs that made excuses or didn't take blame for their own mistakes. (paraphrasing)

I'll give Key Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, and the '98 version of Vinny T. But my boy's got selective memory if he's forgetting Neil O'Donnell, Rick Mirer, Ray Lucas, or the 04 VT.

On board with that 'excuses' comment. I witnessed week after week of that in NE, altho the most egregious blame game I ever heard Bledsoe indulge in was indicting the entire Gilbride system in Buffalo, saying the receivers couldn't handle the complexity of the system. When Winicki can tell us once more exactly why it failed.

Another interesting note he said was that , even after TO was signed, there was a heavy push from the Cowboys to sign him back, he just didn't like the money.

I am happy to hear that a 'heavy push' was made. But if it didn't come with starting wide out money, it was probably heavier in Key's mind than Jerry's or Bill's.

That's scary coming from our former warrior from the last 2 years. Most of you may have forgot it already but he was the hands-down leader of this offense for the last 2 years, if not for the entire team. The day we chose Glenn over Keyshawn was a sad-sad day and we lost one helluva player in the process.

GlitzCowboy, TG is a more complementary player to Owens than Key. Especially considering Patrick's speed. IMO, the day we chose TO over Key was the sad-sad day....not to say KJ is the receiver Owens is, but the oline issues to me were the major offensive issue in 05, not the receiver corps.

Yes, Key along with Dan C were the offensive leaders. I like to think a little of Key's on-field toughness rubbed off on TG when he was here (particularly in the blocking area, and in willingness to put that head down and try to get YAC), but that spirited vocal leadership trait isn't contagious.

Key was a Cowboy and I learned to love him while he was here... now he is just another victim of Roy lying in wait

Speaking of #31, did anyone catch Shockey's props in today's NY press? Maybe Jeremy already hears footsteps.

I like Keyshawn. Liked him before he came, liked him while he was here, and liked him since he left. He's a good solid player, no matter what his role might be on a team at this stage of his career.

I loves me some KJ, but also realize he NEVER would have been able to co-exist with Owens. Key is fiercely loyal to his buddies, one of whom is Todd Haley, who coached him in NY. I've witnessed Johnson coming to 'the defense' before (on the field as in the Cleveland game in 04 which is when my already high esteem for him reached its current height) and off it as in his continual championing of the QBs he respected, and it would NOT have been pretty last week.

I wish him great luck in Carolina, but when he plays Dallas, get ready for #31, KJ!

 

[Maikeru-sama]

On my commute home, I listened to Key on his weekly show on Sirius Radio, Taking it to the house. A caller asked Key if he thought Bledsoe was a great QB. Key answered, that he would NOT put Bledsoe in the same class as the other QB's he has played with or is playing with now. The caller then asked about Bledsoe leadership quaility on the field and Key said he didn't respect QBs that made excuses or didn't take blame for their own mistakes. (paraphrasing)

Sounds to me like Key didn't like Bledsloe as the QB on this team.

Another interesting note he said was that , even after TO was signed, there was a heavy push from the Cowboys to sign him back, he just didn't like the money.

Also said he MIGHT be in the owners box for Monday's Night Game against the Gaints at Texas Stadium.

He took jabs at Bledsoe on 2 occassions, one I vaguely remember while he was in a Cowboy Uniform and the other happened about a week after he was no longer with the team on probably that same radio station. He mentioned something about how he had never played with a Great Quarterback before. I knew Drew Bledsoe a little later was asked about it, but I dont remember what he said.

I think it was safe to say Keyshawn didnt like the guy.

 

[dasander]

I like Key when he was in DALLAS, but I was at the Commander game in DC last year and you can see the entire field and the Deadskins double T. Glenn most of the game and left Key one-on-one and Key could not make any big plays Dallas needed to make a change at the WR position.

Yeah if I remember correctly during that game I recall the Commanders covering Keyshawn with their strong safety at the time and it wasn't Adam Archeleta last year it was someone with even worse cover skills. Anyways I was thinking during this game that man if Keyshawn cannot beat the Commanders strong safety one-on-one than we need an upgrade at receiver.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

And Bledsoe does not like WR that drops passes and told Key as much on TV

I did not like the Keyshawn Johnson trade, but he quickly changed my mind once he got here. He was solid, was with you on Sundays, stayed out of trouble and make some clutch plays for us throughout the years.

I will take that from a supposed #3 option any day of the week.

- Mike G.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

No surprise here. Keyshawn is what i always thought he was. You can even see on the side lines how players react to Owens vs Keyshawn, it’s like night and day. Owens smiles, Johnson always looks like he bite into a sour pickle. He was a decent player on the field but he would have never put us over the top hence our record with him on the team (15-17). Keyshawn always had nice things to say about Bledsoe when he was here, but as soon as he leaves, bashes him...that is a hypocrite.

 

[SupermanXx]

Keyshawn always had nice things to say about Bledsoe when he was here, but as soon as he leaves, bashes him...that is a hypocrite.

I disagree... it's called not being disruptive to the team until you're no longer a part of it

 

[Rampage]

key is right

 

[BigDFan5]

While Key was here he said Bledsoe was a "top 3" QB, Key is like some fans he exagerates a QBs skills when he is on their team, and downplays them when he is not on their team.

 

[CATCH17]

I'll take Keyshawn on my team everyday of the week.

He has some valid points about Bledsoe. I like Drew but he has seriously thrown up his skirt this year.

 

[Idgit]

I'll give Key Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, and the '98 version of Vinny T. But my boy's got selective memory if he's forgetting Neil O'Donnell, Rick Mirer, Ray Lucas, or the 04 VT.

On board with that 'excuses' comment. I witnessed week after week of that in NE, altho the most egregious blame game I ever heard Bledsoe indulge in was indicting the entire Gilbride system in Buffalo, saying the receivers couldn't handle the complexity of the system. When Winicki can tell us once more exactly why it failed. ...

See, now I was just about to take exception to the excuses comment. Regardless of whatever shortcomings Bledsoe may have in his game, during his stay here in Dallas, I've never heard Drew say anything I would consider at all unreasonable.

I know excuse-making was part of his rap when he came over from Buffalo, but I've basically written most of that off as winicki-induced delerium. Am I wrong?

 

[LaTunaNostra]

See, now I was just about to take exception to the excuses comment. Regardless of whatever shortcomings Bledsoe may have in his game, during his stay here in Dallas, I've never heard Drew say anything I would consider at all unreasonable.

I know excuse-making was part of his rap when he came over from Buffalo, but I've basically written most of that off as winicki-induced delerium. Am I wrong?

My distaste for Bledsoe is based on my witnessing (as a New England resident) years of after game pcs in which both subtle and overt fingers were pointed at team-mates, and the refusal to ever just come out and say "I stunk it up today".

Now it's possible somewhere along the line, Drew did take verbal responsibility for his more atrocious games..in a 14 year career it would be law-of-averages impossible not to.

But over time, an NFL fan or even more casual observer gets the sense of who fesses up and who doesn't. Who assigns blame elsewhere and who week after week says 'the buck stops here'.

And over the years, I had DB pegged as the former. That's just my observation...but I've noticed his 'won't come back to a receiver who drops a ball" (totally within his rights and duties as as QB) philosophy has never been extended to his own errors. I think in the later years, he grew even more hesitant to the blame, because so many others had begun crying "the emperor has no clothes!" Post-Brady Bledsoe was a more insecure ceature.

Winicki is actually a latecomer to the Bledsoe Party. And I have never seen him go over the top with it. In fact, I think he somewhat downplays the degree of imperfection and number of flaws. To my mind, Drew as a QB and leader has never been anything more than a very strong arm behind center.

 

[Idgit]

My distaste for Bledsoe is based on my witnessing (as a New England resident) years of after game pcs in which both subtle and overt fingers were pointed at team-mates, and the refusal to ever just come out and say "I stunk it up today".

Now it's possible somewhere along the line, Drew did take verbal responsibility for his more atrocious games..in a 14 year career it would be law-of-averages impossible not to.

But over time, an NFL fan or even more casual observer gets the sense of who fesses up and who doesn't. Who assigns blame elsewhere and who week after week says 'the buck stops here'.

And over the years, I had DB pegged as the former. That's just my observation...but I've noticed his 'won't come back to a receiver who drops a ball" (totally within his rights and duties as as QB) philosophy has never been extended to his own errors. I think in the later years, he grew even more hesitant to the blame, because so many others had begun crying "the emperor has no clothes!" Post-Brady Bledsoe was a more insecure ceature.

Winicki is actually a latecomer to the Bledsoe Party. And I have never seen him go over the top with it. In fact, I think he somewhat downplays the degree of imperfection and number of flaws. To my mind, Drew as a QB and leader has never been anything more than a very strong arm behind center.

Fair enough. My observation has been that he's been a pretty decent guy in the press while in Dallas--through all of the problems we had at OT last year. He turns the ball over too much, though, and is going to get benched for it this year if he doesn't find a way to limit that problem.

I wasn't particularly taking a swipe at Winicki by calling him delirious. I meant it in a good way? I guess I also thought his disapproval of Bledsoe was forum-legendary.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I wasn't particularly taking a swipe at Winicki by calling him delirious. I meant it in a good way? I guess I also thought his disapproval of Bledsoe was forum-legendary.

I know Idgit...but I wish someone would take a swipe at Winicki. They just can't do it effectively over Bledsoe.

Oh, he's forum-legendary on DB , all right. No one beats a dead horse quite like Mikey. But he's smart enough to stagger his blows at decently paced intervels..either because he prefers toying with his victim before finishing it off, or his prime motive is filling that DB Bashing bandwagon before it inevitably derails when Romo is inserted.

I think it's both - he enjoys the foreplay AND he likes company.

Winicki owes something to Bledsoe - he was becoming irrelevant before Drew blew into town. His Eddie George refrain had been taken away, and his post 03 season 'do-nothingism' line aborted.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) for Winicki, when JJ and BP decided to actually DO something, it included bringing in his all time favorite QB.

And so his legend grows.

 

[mwj473]

Key is a jerk!!! Have some class (which he doesn't)!!! He might be doing well so far in Carolina, but I'll take T.O.. With Key here, we couldn't make big plays. Glenn was always covered and Key didn't scare any defenders.

No big plays last year? Glenn was always covered? Care to back that up with some #'s?
rec yrds tds ypc
Current year with TO : 25 337 3 13.5
Projected this year : 80 1078 10 13.5
Lasy year with Key : 62 1136 7 18.3

He may project to have as many more rec this year vs last, but look at the yards and ypc and tell me we didn't have big plays with Key last year. Now I like having TO vs Key also & think that TO & Glenn will get better as the year goes on (depending on DB of course), but don't just throw out remarks that simply are not true.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Key would know better than any of us. I don't care who the quarterback is, JUST GET THE JOB DONE!!! I don't want excuses about the line, about the defensive scheme, hurt back, or anything else. Just get the job done!!! Don't choke in the 4th quarter and throw a pick for a touchdown in the last few minutes of the game. Just get the job done!!! Don't get sacked 4- 5 times in one game and throw 3 int's. Don't play good one week and STINK it up the next week. Don't MISS W-I-D-E-O-P-E-N recievers for touchdowns. Give the Dallas Cowboys more than 2 games and a stinker, then 2 stinkers an 1 good game. I'm only Pro-Romo if "Romo can get the job done, with no excuses, no picks for touchdowns". I'm just going by on the field production, his numbers in the Pats superbowl was like 3- 4 picks and 4 sacks. I guess that o-line sucked also. Just be productive. I'll take Roger Staubach, if he still can be productive. The cowboys and the fans deserve more than a 1st round exit in the playoffs due to him getting sacked 5 times and throwing 3 picks.

In fairness to Bledsoe, I don't recall him making any excuses in Dallas. He has his flaws, but he stands up like a man and faces the media and all his critics every time. I'm just as disappointed as anyone else when he telegraphs a pass to the opposition, but I've never known him to whine or point fingers since he has been a Cowboy. Even when he chastised Keyshawn for the fumble against the Eagles last year, he told him to his face like a man, not through the media. He may not be the best QB around, but he is a class act. That should count for something in this day and age of throwing teammates under the bus.