Anyone watch Joey Bosa play?

[Reverend Conehead]

I ask because I haven't seen him play other than in Youtube collections. I ask because if this guy is another Ndomukong Suh minus the head case, he would be a major upgrade to a hurting pass rush. He looks great in the Youtube clips, but, then again, maybe Ohio State just had a great D-line altogether. If he is all that, there is a big plus to taking him, as the pass rush improves, it's a huge shot in the arm to the defensive backs. I've long suspected that our defensive backfield is not as awful as we've thought, that it's really the result of a lousy pass rush. With Demarcus Lawrence being such a genius that he got himself suspended, and Hardy not working out, we're hurting at that position.

On the other hand, we're in position to get a great d-back in Ramsey, and it's still possible to improve the pass rush in the second round, in which we have a high pick. The other consideration is quarterback. Though the supposed best two almost two may not be there, this Paxton Lynch kid may be the real deal and worth grabbing, even at 4, even though he's projected to fall farther than that. The clock on the end of the Romo era has never been ticking louder.

In short, it's no easy decision. Do you.....
1. Go for Bosa, betting he's the monster pass rusher he's made out to be -- address other needs in later rounds.
2. Go for Ramsey, a shot in the arm to the defensive backfield, we can find a pass rusher in the 2nd or later or in free agency.
3. Bet on Lynch being the real deal to sit and learn behind Romo and be the future of the franchise -- we still have plenty of later round picks for other needs.
4. Elliot -- bet on building a monster running game like 2014.

#2 May be a moot point; the Chargers may take him.

Back to my original question -- have you seen Bosa play? Are you convinced that he's a truly great player that can help transform a defense? If so, are you for taking him?

 

[Teague31]

I'm a huge Zeke guy but if I thought Bosa was an elite talent I would take him first. We do need a DE more than a RB. But drafting for need is what got us Shante Carver and Kavika Pittman

 

[stilltheguru88]

All i know is we better come out the draft with Ramsey or Sean Davis. ill take Bosa if we get davis. Im done hating on bosa. If we get him ill hope im wrong

 

[dbonham]

He's gonna be a really good player, am kinda concerned about the drug rumors so I prefer the superior athlete with impeccable character, my man Jalen Ramsey. There will be help for our d line at 34

 

[DFWJC]

I ask because I haven't seen him play other than in Youtube collections. I ask because if this guy is another Ndomukong Suh minus the head case, he would be a major upgrade to a hurting pass rush. He looks great in the Youtube clips, but, then again, maybe Ohio State just had a great D-line altogether. If he is all that, there is a big plus to taking him, as the pass rush improves, it's a huge shot in the arm to the defensive backs. I've long suspected that our defensive backfield is not as awful as we've thought, that it's really the result of a lousy pass rush. With Demarcus Lawrence being such a genius that he got himself suspended, and Hardy not working out, we're hurting at that position.

On the other hand, we're in position to get a great d-back in Ramsey, and it's still possible to improve the pass rush in the second round, in which we have a high pick. The other consideration is quarterback. Though the supposed best two almost two may not be there, this Paxton Lynch kid may be the real deal and worth grabbing, even at 4, even though he's projected to fall farther than that. The clock on the end of the Romo era has never been ticking louder.

In short, it's no easy decision. Do you.....
1. Go for Bosa, betting he's the monster pass rusher he's made out to be -- address other needs in later rounds.
2. Go for Ramsey, a shot in the arm to the defensive backfield, we can find a pass rusher in the 2nd or later or in free agency.
3. Bet on Lynch being the real deal to sit and learn behind Romo and be the future of the franchise -- we still have plenty of later round picks for other needs.
4. Elliot -- bet on building a monster running game like 2014.

#2 May be a moot point; the Chargers may take him.

Back to my original question -- have you seen Bosa play? Are you convinced that he's a truly great player that can help transform a defense? If so, are you for taking him?

He is a classic case of a player being out there to analyize for over a year and getting WAY unnecessarily picked apart.

He is outstanding in so many ways--outstanding technique, heart motor,...but it may (not sure, but may be) true that he will not be a super high sack player at the next level. Maybe 8-10 instead of 14-15.

Scout Inc still has him ranked as the top player in the draft (or tied with Tunsil)

McShay also has him as his top player--this after dissecting him for a year.

Kiper loves him

Mayock loves him

Daniel Jeremiah loves him

on and on....but the guy gets nit-picked to death in some circles.

Mark it down...he will be a multi-year Pro Bowl player.

 

[Tobal]

Boss isn't elite, I don't think anyone thinks he is. He is at a minimum very solid at max very good. Rumors of off field issues scare me. I won't be opposed to drafting him, but it's not my first option

 

[Lurker01]

I've seen Joey play. He is great when he is up against lesser talent and against lesser talent he commands double teams. When he is up against better talent, he seems to get lost. For example the Michaigan State game where he had 4 tackles and no sacks. I would rather see the FO pull the trigger on Zeke and get some DE help later in the draft.

 

[CF74]

Suh is a NT/1-Tech, Bosa is a DE/3-Tech. We need a Suh more than a Bosa right now but we could use both...

 

[Alexander]

Studied him a lot. I want to believe. But you look at that talent around him, it is hard.

Sometimes we forget these are individuals inserted into another team and environment.

 

[btcutter]

I'm a huge Zeke guy but if I thought Bosa was an elite talent I would take him first. We do need a DE more than a RB. But drafting for need is what got us Shante Carver and Kavika Pittman

But those were middle of 1st and 2nd round reaches. Bosa has been the consensus #1 DL for 99% of the past year. If you don't like him, fine. But he is a talent and no one in the media will call him a reach at top 4.

 

[btcutter]

He is a classic case of a player being out there to analyize for over a year and getting WAY unnecessarily picked apart.

He is outstanding in so many ways--outstanding technique, heart motor,...but it may (not sure, but may be) true that he will not be a super high sack player at the next level. Maybe 8-10 instead of 14-15.

Scout Inc still has him ranked as the top player in the draft (or tied with Tunsil)

McShay also has him as his top player--this after dissecting him for a year.

Kiper loves him

Mayock loves him

Daniel Jeremiah loves him

on and on....but the guy gets nit-picked to death in some circles.

Mark it down...he will be a multi-year Pro Bowl player.

Bosa is exactly the case of over analysis between Jan and April.

 

[gmoney112]

I've seen Joey play. He is great when he is up against lesser talent and against lesser talent he commands double teams. When he is up against better talent, he seems to get lost. For example the Michaigan State game where he had 4 tackles and no sacks. I would rather see the FO pull the trigger on Zeke and get some DE help later in the draft.

I watched that MSU game. They didn't want any of Joey. When they weren't double teaming him or using 3 step drops, they were running to the opposite side. They actively gameplanned for him. And the next week he came out and beat up Michigan.

If he can keep his head straight I think he'll have a great career. He has a lot of potential and he's not even 21 yet. His stupid tweets and reputation have turned me off though.

 

[Romotil45]

I ask because I haven't seen him play other than in Youtube collections. I ask because if this guy is another Ndomukong Suh minus the head case, he would be a major upgrade to a hurting pass rush. He looks great in the Youtube clips, but, then again, maybe Ohio State just had a great D-line altogether. If he is all that, there is a big plus to taking him, as the pass rush improves, it's a huge shot in the arm to the defensive backs. I've long suspected that our defensive backfield is not as awful as we've thought, that it's really the result of a lousy pass rush. With Demarcus Lawrence being such a genius that he got himself suspended, and Hardy not working out, we're hurting at that position.

On the other hand, we're in position to get a great d-back in Ramsey, and it's still possible to improve the pass rush in the second round, in which we have a high pick. The other consideration is quarterback. Though the supposed best two almost two may not be there, this Paxton Lynch kid may be the real deal and worth grabbing, even at 4, even though he's projected to fall farther than that. The clock on the end of the Romo era has never been ticking louder.

In short, it's no easy decision. Do you.....
1. Go for Bosa, betting he's the monster pass rusher he's made out to be -- address other needs in later rounds.
2. Go for Ramsey, a shot in the arm to the defensive backfield, we can find a pass rusher in the 2nd or later or in free agency.
3. Bet on Lynch being the real deal to sit and learn behind Romo and be the future of the franchise -- we still have plenty of later round picks for other needs.
4. Elliot -- bet on building a monster running game like 2014.

#2 May be a moot point; the Chargers may take him.

Back to my original question -- have you seen Bosa play? Are you convinced that he's a truly great player that can help transform a defense? If so, are you for taking him?

We can have a monster running game without Zeke. But unless we improve the defense we will not get far in play-offs. We could win our division because its a weak division but you have to improve the defense to have a shot down the road.

 

[btcutter]

People remember that it was the running game that got us to 12-4 so they like to reinvent that. However, they forgot it was the DL play that lost the Packer game. We couldn't touch a one legged Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Romotil45]

I ask because I haven't seen him play other than in Youtube collections. I ask because if this guy is another Ndomukong Suh minus the head case, he would be a major upgrade to a hurting pass rush. He looks great in the Youtube clips, but, then again, maybe Ohio State just had a great D-line altogether. If he is all that, there is a big plus to taking him, as the pass rush improves, it's a huge shot in the arm to the defensive backs. I've long suspected that our defensive backfield is not as awful as we've thought, that it's really the result of a lousy pass rush. With Demarcus Lawrence being such a genius that he got himself suspended, and Hardy not working out, we're hurting at that position.

On the other hand, we're in position to get a great d-back in Ramsey, and it's still possible to improve the pass rush in the second round, in which we have a high pick. The other consideration is quarterback. Though the supposed best two almost two may not be there, this Paxton Lynch kid may be the real deal and worth grabbing, even at 4, even though he's projected to fall farther than that. The clock on the end of the Romo era has never been ticking louder.

In short, it's no easy decision. Do you.....
1. Go for Bosa, betting he's the monster pass rusher he's made out to be -- address other needs in later rounds.
2. Go for Ramsey, a shot in the arm to the defensive backfield, we can find a pass rusher in the 2nd or later or in free agency.
3. Bet on Lynch being the real deal to sit and learn behind Romo and be the future of the franchise -- we still have plenty of later round picks for other needs.
4. Elliot -- bet on building a monster running game like 2014.

#2 May be a moot point; the Chargers may take him.

Back to my original question -- have you seen Bosa play? Are you convinced that he's a truly great player that can help transform a defense? If so, are you for taking him?

Bosa is the best DE in the draft. I can't promise J.J. Watt type numbers but he should be great against the run and have a floor plan of 5-8 sacks as a rookie.

 

[viman96]

my fear bosa is another bobby carpenter

 

[Paniolo22]

He was a beast in he Nat'l Cham Game against Oregon last year. In the backfield all day.

 

[jazzcat22]

I love al these opinions, not just about Bosa but about all players. And based on what. They are all over the place.
Some,are just opinions with nothing to back them, some are backed, some are just "feelings" or "I have a feeling".
I have know idea who is qualified who isn't. Who has scouting experience who has coaching experience. Who studies film, but studying film doesn't necessarily make one an expert.
I listen to a lot of music, but what I think in a band that sucks, someone else thinks is great. It's the way of the world.

Not saying this to put anyone down. Just we get such a wide range of opinions. Some tell their reasons, some don't, some can't...lol...which makes this place a great place to discuss, agree, disagree, get mad. Lol.

So here is my "just another non expert opinion" based on years of watching sports as my only resume.
I watched every game of Bosa. As I watch every Ohio State game. So I am probably a bit biased too, and have no problem admitting that.

2014 he was great, seemed unstoppable. I don't care against good talent, bad talent, or whatever, he did what he was supposed to do. And he pretty much dominated.
2015 he played hard, did what he was supposed to do. Sometimes he dominated, sometimes seems he disappears but he really didn't. He was doubled and tripled teamed, he was schemed to be stopped
But he was himself never been dominated by an OL one on one, or at time double teamed. 2015 seems like a down year compared to 2014. But his play allowed others to make plays when he didn't or couldn't
He dominated but was not dominated on when it seemed he was not making his normal plays. If that makes sense.

Now I still prefer Zeke, as I think he helps more than any D player drafted in the first. Round.
However, I prefer Bosa over Ramsey. As he helps more at this point if one wants to go that route.

 

[btcutter]

my fear bosa is another bobby carpenter

Someone who produced at high level for every year at major university. If he's gonna be a bust there's not a lot you can do. Just bad luck.

 

[DFWJC]

Boss isn't elite, I don't think anyone thinks he is. He is at a minimum very solid at max very good. Rumors of off field issues scare me. I won't be opposed to drafting him, but it's not my first option

MANY people think he's an all-around elite player. Almost all the top analysts do.

Now if you mean they don't think he is an absolute elite pass-rusher...that would be true in some cases. That's fair.