Anyone watch Joey Bosa play?

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Draftbreakdown will show you all his snaps, good and bad. Watching his 2015 he didn't always hustle and wasn't always engaged, but I think that was because teams avoided him like the plague and he became complacent.

Remember after the draft last year when our love of Gregory's game shot up after some random internet guy told you why his stats were not gaudy? Those same read-and-react, team-play elements are all over Bosa's 2015 tape. Hopefully Bosa isn't near the knucklehead Gregory is and will help to solidify one of the most pathetic fronts in the NFL.

The sad thing is our front should actually be pretty good. Talent wise with Dlaw, Gregory, BOSA, Thorton and Crawford we look nice. If these bone heads can keep thier noses clean and play ball it could be fun to watch.
 

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Studied him a lot. I want to believe. But you look at that talent around him, it is hard.

Sometimes we forget these are individuals inserted into another team and environment.

When Bosa had Bennett and Spence on the line with him and actually got a decent amount of isolations, he had 15 sacks and 5 FF. With Bennett and Spence gone, teams would double and triple team him. Smaller schools would do it from the start. Teams would bring over extra tackles. All kinds of games to try and slow him down. He was not able to finish as often but he was still getting consistent pressure.

The number of isolations that Washington got from the attention Bosa received was astounding. His draft status should be closer to what Bennett's is.

I think if you put Bosa up against RT in the NFCE and the league as a whole, he will be able to do some damage. Morgan Moses, Lane Johnson, and whatever scrub the Giants put there now that both Pugh and Flowers have failed at OT would be his divisional opponents.

I'm not saying that he is going tocome into the league beating the Trent Williamses of the world but he is very quick and very strong with excellent hands and pad level already. He's not like DLaw, Gregory and the other DE that have to grow into the position or a neophyte like Ansah. If he does grow, he could be a monster. He is only 20.
 

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When Bosa had Bennett and Spence on the line with him and actually got a decent amount of isolations, he had 15 sacks and 5 FF. With Bennett and Spence gone, teams would double and triple team him. Smaller schools would do it from the start. Teams would bring over extra tackles. All kinds of games to try and slow him down. He was not able to finish as often but he was still getting consistent pressure.

And that is what happens when teams scheme for good players.

Nobody is assuming that Bosa was a mirage at the college level.

He was impressive, dominant at times.

He's not like DLaw, Gregory and the other DE that have to grow into the position or a neophyte like Ansah. If he does grow, he could be a monster. He is only 20.

I have said it before, I think his upside is minimal. Others have said the same and I agree.

It is frustrating to have this choice and still feel the need to nitpick.[/quote]
 

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And that is what happens when teams scheme for good players.

Nobody is assuming that Bosa was a mirage at the college level.

He was impressive, dominant at times.



I have said it before, I think his upside is minimal. Others have said the same and I agree.

It is frustrating to have this choice and still feel the need to nitpick.

If he dominates isolations and plays the run, I will take it. I don't need more upside. My idea is to stack as many guys that can win 1v1s on the field as possible.

But outside of others agreeing with you, what basis do you have saying he doesn't have upside? He is only 20 years old. While he did play a lot as a freshman, he still only played 3 years.

I just have trouble buying that Marinelli cannot improve his technique significantly in some areas or that at 20 years old he is peaked out physically. Cause if you have him put on 15-20 lbs in the next 2 years and he maintains those agility numbers then you have the same athlete as JJ Watt who was a 22 year old 290 lbs senior when he came out.

Now I am not saying that is going to happen but I don't think that is an unreasonable possibility to consider. 15 lbs on a 6-6 man isn't all that much.
 

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Judging DE's strictly for their pass rushing abilities doesnt consider accountibility for the other 75% of what DE's are supposed to do.

Ive seen "elite pass rushers take themselves totally out of a pivitol play. Ive seen them manhandled by offensive linemen. Wouldnt happen often to Bosa.

Bosa would make their running game one sided.

Imagine Sean Lee coming at you behind Joey Bosa....violent.
 

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We reached for Ellis @ 8, now we're thinking of taking a similar player in Bosa @ 4. He better have the character Ellis had (that is questionable; don't you dare think of getting busted). Not thrilling tbh but would love the pick if we were in the 15 range instead of 4th overall. Hope to trade down w/Tunsil there and get another 2nd/1st next year depending on how far we drop and get Lawson/Lynch or Joseph in the late 1st. Then you can look @ Dodd/Henry/DL-BPA @ 34, etc.
 
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People remember that it was the running game that got us to 12-4 so they like to reinvent that. However, they forgot it was the DL play that lost the Packer game. We couldn't touch a one legged Aaron Rodgers.

People also somehow forget that during that historic run for the first 9 games, Romo was converting 3rd and 8+ at an all time record pct, over 50%. Those were NOT 3rd ands shorts like everyone thinks they remember.

Do you think Tony's magic in extending drives had anything to do with Murray getting the carries to allow him to get 100+ in all those games? But oh yeah, I forgot, Tony can't play well without the running game, right?
 

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I'm starting to reel in my expectations of Ramsey and beginning to accept Bosa at #4. If we take him and throw him at LDE and swap D.Lawrence back to RDE, that could do wonders. I'd love for Gregory to break his addiction and be the true passing down edge guy we need, but I'm not counting on it. It would be nice to have a true 3-down RDE that could consistently be on the field and harass the QB. If people love Shaq Lawson/Kevin Dodd in this draft, they should really love D. Lawrence. So again, I'm not totally on board the Bosa train, but if we take him, I believe that Rod could get him coached up and make him impactful.
 

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People also somehow forget that during that historic run for the first 9 games, Romo was converting 3rd and 8+ at an all time record pct, over 50%. Those were NOT 3rd ands shorts like everyone thinks they remember.

Do you think Tony's magic in extending drives had anything to do with Murray getting the carries to allow him to get 100+ in all those games? But oh yeah, I forgot, Tony can't play well without the running game, right?

Exactly, w/o Romo to extend the drives, you get 4-12.
 

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We reached for Ellis @ 8, now we're thinking of taking a similar player in Bosa @ 4.

Bosa is not Greg Ellis. Only Broaddus is dumb enough to even say that. Remember, there's a reason he's on the radio and not in the war rooms any more. Even Brugler, his buddy, laughed the first time he said that.

Everyone who follows the draft had Bosa among the top 2 or 3 players in the entire draft when the season ended. It's only after all this over analysis brought about by the media needing to generate clicks for 4 months has Bosa fallen, and even then he's only fallen in the minds of some fans.

More busts and misses are created by believing what you see from players running in underwear instead of what you saw from players actually, I don't know, playing football.
 

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Bosa is not Greg Ellis. Only Broaddus is dumb enough to even say that. Remember, there's a reason he's on the radio and not in the war rooms any more. Even Brugler, his buddy, laughed the first time he said that.

Everyone who follows the draft had Bosa among the top 2 or 3 players in the entire draft when the season ended. It's only after all this over analysis brought about by the media needing to generate clicks for 4 months has Bosa fallen, and even then he's only fallen in the minds of some fans.

More busts and misses are created by believing what you see from players running in underwear instead of what you saw from players actually, I don't know, playing football.

No I think he's got some talent to be disruptive, just not top 5 ability. If anything, he's climbed the boards a bit, no one had him going 1st/2nd or anything? I used Ellis more to compare the reach @ the time (Ellis was supposed to go in teens). Bosa has some character concerns now too, let's not play dumb here (college failed test/roommates with Elliott, etc.). Same goes with Elliott. I'd be okay with pick 3 years down the road and he fails no tests, etc. but would rather trade down if Tunsil is there to get value later in the draft as it seems to be short this year in the top 5 (blue chippers w/o question marks).
 
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... but would rather trade down if Tunsil is there to get value later in the draft as it seems to be short this year in top 5 (blue chippers w/o question marks).

In, that makes sense. I agree if Tunsil is there and we get a good offer we should take it and get more picks. This draft is certainly low on top 5 studs, which figures in the year we get a top 5 pick.

I just want to prepare the fandom to not skewer the kid before he puts a star in if he's the pick. He could become a very very good player here.
 

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In, that makes sense. I agree if Tunsil is there and we get a good offer we should take it and get more picks. This draft is certainly low on top 5 studs, which figures in the year we get a top 5 pick.

I just want to prepare the fandom to not skewer the kid before he puts a star in if he's the pick. He could become a very very good player here.

Oh, once Bosa is picked he's part of the pack and would root for him just like any other first rounder who can help. I would be very happy to be wrong, etc.
 

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Judging DE's strictly for their pass rushing abilities doesnt consider accountibility for the other 75% of what DE's are supposed to do.

Ive seen "elite pass rushers take themselves totally out of a pivitol play. Ive seen them manhandled by offensive linemen. Wouldnt happen often to Bosa.

Bosa would make their running game one sided.

Imagine Sean Lee coming at you behind Joey Bosa....violent.

With Bosa commanding so much attention on his side, our LBs will be staying clean and swarming to the ball. Our run D gets a big boist.

Old school, build the trenches. If Bosa or Tunsil are both there, take the top player on our board. If they are rated the same or very close, take the one at the weakest position group on our team - Bosa.

If the blow away trade doesn't manifest itself, you get yourself a Big Ugly - OL or DL.
 

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I'm a huge Zeke guy but if I thought Bosa was an elite talent I would take him first. We do need a DE more than a RB. But drafting for need is what got us Shante Carver and Kavika Pittman

Drafting for need is also what got us Emmitt Smith and Demarcus Ware. Drafting Bosa over Zeke makes sense.
 

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Here's what Elliott said about Bosa on why a team should draft him:

"Ezekiel Elliott: He's a workhorse. It's crazy. I've never seen anyone go out and play as hard as he does. It's kind of painful to see him play and see how much effort he puts up. Sometimes he works so hard it just looks like he's in agony. But I mean, I've never seen anyone bust him going one-on-one. It's rare to see people who can double team him. The only time I've seen him contained is on triple teams. He's a guy that you have to game plan around. He's a guy that you have to know where he's at on the field the whole time. That's just a guy who you honestly don't want to see on an opposing defense."
 

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I know I'm echoing others in this thread in saying that I love Bosa's violence. Adding Bosa and Joseph could really put some DOG in this defense and I think we will need in this year against our division and the steelers, bengals and Ravens as well. I want the defense as physical as we can have it.
 
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