Anyone wish we had kept Todd Haley?

[WoodysGirl]

Again, gets down to execution and avoiding stupid plays by the QB, fumbles by the RB, dropped balls by the star WR

The only thing wrong with Garrett's playcalling is he (and the QB) have been bullied into force feeding the ball to one particular player, at all costs.

This really isn't about Garrett, but I disagree with your assessment.

Execution is premium, but calling the right play at the right time, figuring out the defense and making adjustments is on the coordinator. Haley's done a fine job this year.

 

[chinch]

sorry but please don't read into things. i didn't say Haley was a great leader of men nor a total flunky. Also these "altercations" could be good-cop bad-cop to a degree that backfired. Don't know.

But what I do know is that the way Jerry spoke about Haley defending his new best friend TO was as stupid as his "jiving" comments about pacman.

He basically TOTALLY UNDERMINED THE COACHES right in front of the Team. Terrible.

When you get 2 mouths visibly squawking like Haley and T.O. then you expect the coach to be smarter or more constructive about it. By the way the Cowboys chose NOT to discipline Haley. Haley has had a history of altercations including getting into with Parcells on the sidelines in one particular game. Parcells physically fist shoved Haley to make him back off over whatever hissy fit.

So before you conveniently glorify and deify Haley at the expense of Jerry Jones because of Haley's current success with Arizona at least qualify that Haley back in his Cowboys years wasn't the easiest coach to work with and loved to run his mouth.

I don't begrudge Haley, he moved on and appears to have become a better coach with Arizona so that is good to see. In fact I noticed his restraint dealing with Bolden.

But most certainly Haley didn't handle things very well several years ago when he was an assistant coach at Valley Ranch.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

As stated above Ken deserves a good part of the credit for that offense cause he's there to help Haley. That is something that Garrett doesn't have in Dallas anymore since they let Sparano go get the HC gig in Miami.

I'm of the belief that with this extra experience that Garrett will be better next year.

As for the TO/Haley thing...who knows. I wasn't there. I don't know what really went down between those two but I can see with my own eyes, yesterday, that Haley obviously doesn't take crap from players cause he was pretty clearly telling Boldin how it works on the sidelines yesterday.

Maybe Haley is just a jerk, I don't know. But it's also possible that Haley simply doesn't bow down to the whims of players simply to get from bruising their delicate little egos.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Granted, he's got some major weapons at AZ, but he's really doing a great job of using those weapons. Their receivers are > than ours (at least this past season with an injured RW who wasn't with us in training camp), but I like our TE and RB's over theirs. Warner is also having a great year again, and I'm happy for him.

Haley just shows much more inventiveness and killer instinct than Garrett does, IMO.

I wonder if TO wishes we had kept Todd Haley .... ?

Fitzy is a super freak.
How great is Haley without the 3 TD's from Fitzgerald.

 

[chinch]

Again, gets down to execution and avoiding stupid plays by the QB, fumbles by the RB, dropped balls by the star WR

The only thing wrong with Garrett's playcalling is he (and the QB) have been bullied into force feeding the ball to one particular player, at all costs.

Which coach is teaching execution? Our execuation is poor because our preparedness and coaching is POOR.

Jason's playcalling is abysmal as he has no feel for the game. The silver lining is it can only improve.

If a coach is BULLIED by a play then in fact they are not a coach nor a leader. Which is what you seem to be saying about Red.

 

[dbair1967]

Which coach is teaching execution? Our execuation is poor because our preparedness and coaching is POOR.

Jason's playcalling is abysmal as he has no feel for the game. The silver lining is it can only improve.

If a coach is BULLIED by a play then in fact they are not a coach nor a leader. Which is what you seem to be saying about Red.

the execution is poor because the team has horrible practice habits and the QB makes the same mistakes over and over again

if he had no feel for the game, we wouldnt have had one of the best offense's we've ever had in 2007.

and while your last statement is true most places, it isnt just the "player" doing the bullying, its the owner, who has repeatedly sided with that player

its a dysfunctional atmosphere...get rid of the problem people, and things will probably change,...when the HC puts no emphasis on discipline, attention to detail or accountability, things are going to be bad

 

[dbair1967]

This really isn't about Garrett, but I disagree with your assessment.

Execution is premium, but calling the right play at the right time, figuring out the defense and making adjustments is on the coordinator. Haley's done a fine job this year.

he's done ok...they got blown out of numerous games and havent been able to run the ball a lick until the playoffs, some of that has to be on him too...

I dont see anything special about their playcalling, its just they have guys executing...good blocking up front, a QB who isnt making mind boglling dumb decisions, they are committing tons of penalties etc etc

 

[Future]

Haley's offense went in the tank in the second half just like Garrett's did against the Steelers...they just made one drive in the 2nd half and the offense almost blew that game for them. Lets not get it twisted, they have just as much talent on offense as Dallas...to go in a funk like that...if it were Dallas people would be calling for Garrett's head.

 

[tyke1doe]

Another good Coach that for some reason "stunk" in Dallas....

Coincdentally these crappy Coaches ususlyy seem a whole lot better with other teams......hmmm, I wonder what the prblem could be???

My thoughts too.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I've always liked Haley as a coach. He was very good with teaching WR's, IMO and it doesn't surprise me that he looks like a pretty good O-Coordinator. I wish Garrett had Haley's ability to go after defenses early in the game, to give a bunch of different looks, throw some screen passes and some gadget plays to rattle the defense and get the offense going.

My problem with Haley is he has the maturity of an 8 year old. Him going to the press with complaints about Owens was pretty cowardice and then him refusing to speak to the team after they ribbed him about his family finding a rat in their salad at McDonald's was just another case of his immaturity.

Darn good coach, but I would always wonder if it is going to implode badly someday because of his attitude if I was an owner of a team.




YAKUZA

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Haley looks like a prick and from what I've heard from guys it's true.

 

[HanD]

This is true, but I think the value of a coordinator shows itself by their play calls. Right now Haley is calling the plays and doing a decent job.

is he calling the plays 100%? i don't know the answer to this so this is a serious question because i saw wisenhunt with a play card yesterday and also talking into the headset...anyone know for sure?

 

[5Countem5]

is he calling the plays 100%? i don't know the answer to this so this is a serious question because i saw wisenhunt with a play card yesterday and also talking into the headset...anyone know for sure?

Peter King had this:


Todd Haley, offensive coordinator, Arizona. Gadget plays, feisty confrontations, utter confidence. That's what Haley showed Sunday in the NFC title game victory over Philadelphia. Haley trusts bright third-string quarterback Brian St. Pierre so much that he told him he could choose when to call their reverse/throwback-to-the-quarterback/bomb that the Cards had practiced all week. St. Pierre gave him the thumbs-up on a first-half first down from the Arizona 38, and the play worked to perfection, with Warner throwing a TD pass to Fitzgerald.
Haley told Anquan Boldin to simmer down late in the game when he had a personnel package on the field that didn't include Boldin. Boldin yelled back and had to be separated from Haley. Fox got a nice little Keyshawn moment to go with a championship game. What's more, Haley put up 32 points against one of the acknowledged masterminds of the coaching profession, Jim Johnson.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Garrett reminds me of a young Lion cub, they learn how to pounce and fight early with their parents then by 3 years of age they are able to make their kill (although they never hunt alone). Right now hes just learning the ropes for 2-3 years but i expect next year hes ready to make his first kill.

You have studied the lions, yes? Good and very appropo comparison.

In my mind I hope that JG's first kill next season is Wade.

 

[WoodysGirl]

is he calling the plays 100%? i don't know the answer to this so this is a serious question because i saw wisenhunt with a play card yesterday and also talking into the headset...anyone know for sure?

As the HC, Whiz can overrule any call by his coordinators, but yeah he's the man. According to a few articles, this is his first year calling plays.

Cards' Haley to call more plays

by Kent Somers - May. 22, 2008 03:05 PM

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2008/05/22/20080522cards.html

Boivin: Cards bank on Haley's play calling

by Paola Boivin - Nov. 6, 2008 12:10 AM

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2008/11/06/20081106spt-boivin.html

More links

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I bet part of why Boldin wanted out of Arizona is because of Haley. Either Haley has had bad luck to work with the biggest primadonna wide receivers like Keyshawn, TO and Boldin or Haley is a big jerk.

We know it's the latter. Everyone said he was a jerk even when he was here.

And HomeOfLegends, what did you mean when you said you were disappointed in what he did when he was here?

BTW, that's really weird that he let the 3rd string QB choose when to run a trick play in a conference championship game.

 

[dwmyers]

If I had a choice of ex-Dallas coaches from Arizona to come to Dallas, it wouldn't be Todd Haley. He's too volatile. The one I would want is Clancy Pendergast.

 

[WoodysGirl]

If I had a choice of ex-Dallas coaches from Arizona to come to Dallas, it wouldn't be Todd Haley. He's too volatile. The one I would want is Clancy Pendergast.

Clancy has really grown as a DC. His defense was shaky when he first started out. It still has his moments, but he's definitely a guy to look for down the road.

 

[Stash]

Again, get down to execution and avoiding stupid plays by the QB, fumbles by the RB, dropped balls by the star WR

Which - again - is a reflection of the guy who's in charge of that offense. I've seen Haley running creative patterns and formations allowing Fitzgerald to get open, despite the fact that he's priority #1 for opposing defenses. Yet Garrett's having Owens run straight into double-coverage week after week?

The only thing wrong with Garrett's playcalling is he (and the QB) have been bullied into force feeding the ball to one particular player, at all costs.

How does the guy in charge of the offense get 'forced' into anything?

He runs that side of the ball, for better and for worse.

Amazing how some people want to shower him with credit, yet shield him from any blame...

 

[theogt]

Lets not get too carried away here. Whisenhunt was an offensive coordinator before taking that HC job. The offense is more his than Haley's.

No, Haley calls the plays. The guy who calls the plays is likely the guy who draws up the playbook.

As far as wanting Haley here, anyone would be better than who we have right now.