AP: Authorities Again Raid Vick Property

[StanleySpadowski]

You rang??
Definitely true of a grand jury in a state system... well in Texas anyway. I was pretty surprised how informal the grand jury was the first time I went to talk to them. The prosecutor basically says, "Jump," and they say "How high?"

Federal grand juries may be a different story, but I suspect not.

And any sentence will not be coordinated to take place during a player's offseason either. I couldn't believe Jamal Lewis got to serve his 3 months or whatever it was, after the season ended.... such a joke. I wish I could dictate to the court system when my client was going to serve his time.

I thought Lewis took a plea agreement that specifically allowed for that though. Good lawyering on both parts. The government got their plea and Lewis didn't lose a season.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I wish I could dictate to the court system when my client was going to serve his time.

I thought you won all your cases Pep.

 

[03EBZ06]

Well if you keep poking around, you might find something...

That sounds like a conversation between a drunken man and woman.

 

[peplaw06]

I thought Lewis took a plea agreement that specifically allowed for that though. Good lawyering on both parts. The government got their plea and Lewis didn't lose a season.

That may have been the case, and yeah that is good lawyering. I was unaware of that little fact.

Still a judge has to approve the agreement, and that's something I would think Joe Schmo would have little chance of getting approved by the DA or the judge. Jail time is supposed to be punishment. It's still punishment, but if you cater to the criminal's needs, it makes it seem less so.

I thought you won all your cases Pep.

*COUGH COUGH* Yes, you are correct sir. My apologies. Everyone hear that? I win ALL my cases

 

[fortdick]

Before this gets too out of control, I cut and pasted this straight out of a Lyrics site so if it is inaccurate, I appoligies on behalf of the Lycos sight or whatever link I used.

Too late, I am going to have to make a major issue of the Woo Woo Woo, v. Ooo Ooo Ooo.

In any song, the vocal should lead with a consonant to better project. Instead of "I am a man of constant sorrow", you will hear Dan Tyminski sing, "Hi am a man". This is a common method used to project the tone.

As far as Lycos goes, these are people's opinions of what the lyrics are. An example is the Band's song, "The Night They Drove ol' Dixie Down." The leading lines are:

Virgial Cain is my name
and I worked on the Danville train
Till Stoneman's cavalry came
and tore up the tracks again

Joan Baez butchered the song by singing:

Virgial Cain is my name
and I worked on the Danville train
Till so much cavalry came
and tore up the tracks again

I can go on and on about misquoted lines in music, many that annoy me, but . . . .

By the way, has anyone tried connecting to Harmony Central looking for tabs? The dern music industry is closing them down, and any other tableture sites they can find.

Maybe they should turn Vick's dogs loose on them!

Back to topic

Would anyone feel bad if Vick was breeding and fighting lawyers?

Maybe we could convert our justice system by having lawyer fights to determine guilt or innocence. The prosecutor and the defense counsel get thrown into the pit, fight to the death, and if they win, their sides gets the judgement. The losing lawyer gets buried out back by the shed. ACLU lawyers would be eliminated pretty quickly, I would think. Lawyers could then be paid according to their win loss records. The richer you are, the tougher the lawyer you can afford.

On second thought, it is pretty much already like that, isn't it?

 

[zeromaster]

Let the mayhem continue...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Rhetorical questions:

How does a property owner not know there were:
1. 55 pit bulls there and maybe 10 others dogs
2. Heavy chains, axels buried in the ground and dog houses tacked to the heavens
3. Pry bars and other equipment for raising fighting dogs
4. Evidence of high traffic of people

and lastly, another rhetorical question

5. Why does the NFL have ties to trash such as Vick?

As to whether the investigation would have happened had it not been Vick:
A very weak defense. If Vick's lawyers and handlers (no pun intended) have any brains, they will not use it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Too late, I am going to have to make a major issue of the Woo Woo Woo, v. Ooo Ooo Ooo.

In any song, the vocal should lead with a consonant to better project. Instead of "I am a man of constant sorrow", you will hear Dan Tyminski sing, "Hi am a man". This is a common method used to project the tone.

As far as Lycos goes, these are people's opinions of what the lyrics are. An example is the Band's song, "The Night They Drove ol' Dixie Down." The leading lines are:

Virgial Cain is my name
and I worked on the Danville train
Till Stoneman's cavalry came
and tore up the tracks again

Joan Baez butchered the song by singing:

Virgial Cain is my name
and I worked on the Danville train
Till so much cavalry came
and tore up the tracks again

I can go on and on about misquoted lines in music, many that annoy me, but . . . .

By the way, has anyone tried connecting to Harmony Central looking for tabs? The dern music industry is closing them down, and any other tableture sites they can find.

Maybe they should turn Vick's dogs loose on them!

Back to topic

Would anyone feel bad if Vick was breeding and fighting lawyers?

Maybe we could convert our justice system by having lawyer fights to determine guilt or innocence. The prosecutor and the defense counsel get thrown into the pit, fight to the death, and if they win, their sides gets the judgement. The losing lawyer gets buried out back by the shed. ACLU lawyers would be eliminated pretty quickly, I would think. Lawyers could then be paid according to their win loss records. The richer you are, the tougher the lawyer you can afford.

On second thought, it is pretty much already like that, isn't it?

Clearly, thou not intential by any means, I have managed to bring a knife to a gun fight again.

:laugh2:

On the point of the Lawyers, as opposed to the dogs, I don't really think this will fly. As I understand it, one of the major draws to this whole dog fighting business is the aspect of wagers. As we have clearly established in this thread, Pep does not lose. Since this is a defined fact and it pretty much kills the whole betting angle. I see no future for in taking that direction.

 

[fortdick]

Rhetorical questions:

How does a property owner not know there were:
1. 55 pit bulls there and maybe 10 others dogs
2. Heavy chains, axels buried in the ground and dog houses tacked to the heavens
3. Pry bars and other equipment for raising fighting dogs
4. Evidence of high traffic of people

and lastly, another rhetorical question

5. Why does the NFL have ties to trash such as Vick?

As to whether the investigation would have happened had it not been Vick:
A very weak defense. If Vick's lawyers and handlers (no pun intended) have any brains, they will not use it.

Not just "other dogs", they were Presa Canarios. Dogs specifically bred for fighting. They serve no other real purpose.

COUNTRY: Spain

WEIGHT: 84-110 pounds maximum​

HEIGHT: 211/2-251/2 inches​

COAT: Short, smooth, but coarse​

COLOR: Brindles, fawn; some white permissible​

OTHER NAMES: Canary Dog​

GROUP: Mastiff​

​

The Canario has recently been reborn, although once near extinction. The Canary Islands belonging to Spain were actually named for the fierce dogs found there, not for its little yellow singing birds. From the Latin cane came the "Island of the Dogs." These tough, smooth-coated, livestock and farm dogs, called Bardino Majero, were probably similar to the Perro de Pastor Mallorquin and the Cao de Castro Labor-eiro and were present before Hispanic times.

When English settlers came to the archipelago in the 19th century, they brought mastiffs and old-style bulldogs which were crossed with these native dogs. The result was the Canary Dog.

This breed was selected and bred specifically for organized fights and became an extremely game, powerful and able fighting machine. Outlawed in 1940, dog-fighting continued as a clan-destine activity, with the quality and purity of the breeding stock deteriorating.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Rhetorical questions:

How does a property owner not know there were:
1. 55 pit bulls there and maybe 10 others dogs
2. Heavy chains, axels buried in the ground and dog houses tacked to the heavens
3. Pry bars and other equipment for raising fighting dogs
4. Evidence of high traffic of people

and lastly, another rhetorical question

5. Why does the NFL have ties to trash such as Vick?

As to whether the investigation would have happened had it not been Vick:
A very weak defense. If Vick's lawyers and handlers (no pun intended) have any brains, they will not use it.

In the infamous words of one Darren Hambrick, "What do rhetorical mean?"

 

[fortdick]

Clearly, thou not intential by any means, I have managed to bring a knife to a gun fight again.

:laugh2:

On the point of the Lawyers, as opposed to the dogs, I don't really think this will fly. As I understand it, one of the major draws to this whole dog fighting business is the aspect of wagers. As we have clearly established in this thread, Pep does not lose. Since this is a defined fact and it pretty much kills the whole betting angle. I see no future for in taking that direction.

I bet Peps could whip any ACLU lawyer alive! Toss 'em into the pit and Peps will rip their ears off first, ham string 'em next, then finish it off with a clenching grip on the throat.

 

[Jarv]

I bet Peps could whip any ACLU lawyer alive! Toss 'em into the pit and Peps will rip their ears off first, ham string 'em next, then finish it off with a clenching grip on the throat.

Did you see the "BANG" cartoon with Vick and the dog fights ? Snoopy out there in a boxing stance...getting torn up by a pit bull ? Sick but funny...

 

[Twyst]

court papers filed, vick not named yet



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2927560

 

[joseephuss]

Rhetorical questions:

How does a property owner not know there were:
1. 55 pit bulls there and maybe 10 others dogs
2. Heavy chains, axels buried in the ground and dog houses tacked to the heavens
3. Pry bars and other equipment for raising fighting dogs
4. Evidence of high traffic of people

and lastly, another rhetorical question

5. Why does the NFL have ties to trash such as Vick?

As to whether the investigation would have happened had it not been Vick:
A very weak defense. If Vick's lawyers and handlers (no pun intended) have any brains, they will not use it.

Where does Vick live? Is it in the same town as this particular property? I can see how a property owner does not know what may be going on. I am not saying Vick is innocent. I think he is involved. That doesn't mean it can't happen to property owners. I know people that own properties in other states. They may not know everything that happens on that property.

To answer #5. He hasn't been found guilty of anything. He hasn't even been charged. That is why they have ties to Vick. Patience.

 

[David276]

haahh man i dislike the "feds" always tryna holda brotha down

 

[Seven]

Official declines comment on why authorities are on property

Updated: July 6, 2007, 10:38 AM ET

SURRY, Va. -- A dozen cars and a U-Haul truck were parked Friday on property owned by Falcons quarterback Michael Vick in what appeared to be a second federal raid of the site that has been the focus of a dogfighting probe.

Me thinks Poindexter has already completed the u-haul phase of his "investigation" late one night..............

 

[Bob Sacamano]

They have found enough to continue to pursue, but maybe it was caught up in the courts ?

I dont think they are building a case against Vick at this point, but most likely the cousin.

I dont know if he will get more than a fine at this point. I would need to learn about his personal involvement a little more.

I do have a question if anyone knows. I think this alleged crime is a felony, but what is the potential/maximum jail sentence?

he could realistically be facing 2 charges, owning dogs used for the purpose of dog-fighting is a felony, not only that, but being present at a dog-fight is a misdemeanor, both VA state laws, all that really has to happen for Vick to be in some trouble w/ the league if witnesses place him at a dog-fight

I can't answer what the max is though, sorry

 

[Twyst]

Vick probably not to be charged

Vick is not named in the documents.
Additionally, Vick is unlikely to be indicted in the dogfighting federal investigation, according to information gathered by the NFL and Atlanta Falcons, sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The authorities have told the Falcons and league that there has not been any evidence that can be tied to Vick with the alleged dogfighting ring, the sources said

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have heard that Joe was a big jerk and kind of a mean guy. May or not be true since they come from people selling books after his death. Those types of stories did not make the press back then and that was with him playing in New York. I wonder how guys from the past would fair in the current era of instant communication and the need to follow every single facet of a stars life. If you got nothing to hide it doesn't matter.

all I know is that Joe was *****-whipped by Marylin

can you blame him?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Where does Vick live? Is it in the same town as this particular property? I can see how a property owner does not know what may be going on. I am not saying Vick is innocent. I think he is involved. That doesn't mean it can't happen to property owners. I know people that own properties in other states. They may not know everything that happens on that property.

To answer #5. He hasn't been found guilty of anything. He hasn't even been charged. That is why they have ties to Vick. Patience.

I know what you're saying, my parents used to own a house that they rented out to a family, since we weren't able to live in it since he's military, anyways, the people there, we had no idea what was going on inside the property until we paid a suprise visit, the place was despicable