Apple Keynote

[YosemiteSam]

I think the price for the 21 inch is the same as it was about 5 years ago when I bought mine.

From what I have seen, Apple has a set price when their products enter the market and they kind of keep that set price for future models of the same size.

Is the price high when they enter? Different question and the answer is "yes".

lol. No. Apple is about every penny they can get and everyone and their mother knows this. If the price is the same it's only because they couldn't hose their customers for more money without a severe backlash. (see the 7" iPad price announcement today)

Let's not get stupid here. Since Apples resurgence, they have done nothing, but over price their products because they knew they could fleece their customers. To say otherwise would make you either an Apple tool, or a damn fool. (same ****, different name)

 

[Rogah]

The iPad mini is impressive as well but I don't think the pricing is very competitive, at all. It starts at $329. There is also a brand new iPad 4 with new hardware which should speed things up a bit. That was very surprising since they just came out with the "new iPad".

Apple is in danger of overplaying their hands here. $329 for the mini without retina display is a joke, pure and simple. Anyone who buys it is a darn fool. And I know an awful lot of people that are mad about the fact that the iPad4 is coming out so soon after the iPad3.

And as far as those gadgets go, I'm an Apple-phile. But today really turned me off.

 

[Rogah]

Considering...

1) That stupid new "lightning" cable with got a lot of people angry
2) Their faulty new maps app which got a lot of people angry
3) The iPad4 coming out so soon after the iPad3 which got a lot of people angry, and
4) The iPad Mini which is being met with a collective yawn

Apple has finally out-Microsoft'd Microsoft. They have now become the very same company that they all used to make fun of back in the 90's.

 

[ajk23az]

Apple is in danger of overplaying their hands here. $329 for the mini without retina display is a joke, pure and simple. Anyone who buys it is a darn fool. And I know an awful lot of people that are mad about the fact that the iPad4 is coming out so soon after the iPad3.

And as far as those gadgets go, I'm an Apple-phile. But today really turned me off.

$1700 for a MacBook is just as bad...$1850 after taxes here in AZ...ridiculous, for a freaking' laptop!?!

2 years ago I bought a brand new Toshiba with an i5 processor, 2.53 GHz, 750 gb HD, 8GB RAM for $825 after taxes at Best Buy.

 

[Hoofbite]

lol. No. Apple is about every penny they can get and everyone and their mother knows this. If the price is the same it's only because they couldn't hose their customers for more money without a severe backlash. (see the 7" iPad price announcement today)

Let's not get stupid here. Since Apples resurgence, they have done nothing, but over price their products because they knew they could fleece their customers. To say otherwise would make you either an Apple tool, or a damn fool. (same ****, different name)

So what are you disagreeing with exactly?

I said they enter the market at a high price.......and then a I said they usually stick at that price for the same model moving into the future, which is true.

Did I not word it derogatory enough for your liking?

 

[Rogah]

$1700 for a MacBook is just as bad...$1850 after taxes here in AZ...ridiculous, for a freaking' laptop!?!

2 years ago I bought a brand new Toshiba with an i5 processor, 2.53 GHz, 750 gb HD, 8GB RAM for $825 after taxes at Best Buy.

You're preaching to the choir my friend. Like I said above, as far as these gadgets go, I'm an Apple-phile. But when it comes to real world, grown-up computing? PC all the way, baby..!!

 

[Rogah]

How exactly did they wizz all over it?

Part of Applesoft's marketing scheme is to get people all excited over buying the newest product, having the best of the best of what's out there. Now they've kinda screwed over those very same people who form their hardcore fan base. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but I do understand those who are upset.

 

[theogt]

Considering...

1) That stupid new "lightning" cable with got a lot of people angry
2) Their faulty new maps app which got a lot of people angry
3) The iPad4 coming out so soon after the iPad3 which got a lot of people angry, and
4) The iPad Mini which is being met with a collective yawn

Apple has finally out-Microsoft'd Microsoft. They have now become the very same company that they all used to make fun of back in the 90's.

1) I personally can't wait until all of the Apple devices switch to the lightning cable. It's significantly easier to plug in and feels like it will be much more durable long-term than the old cables.

2) There have been a ton of "oh wait, maybe the maps app isn't so bad" articles out lately. That was mostly an overreaction that became an internet meme. I already prefer the new app to the Google app if only for the turn-by-turn and vector-based graphics.

3) It's a slight upgrade. Why would anyone be upset with a slight upgrade unless they literally just bought one? The full-side iPad upgrade has been rumored for a couple months now, so if they didn't know about it, shame on them. And if they have such a hard-on for having the latest gear, why on earth did they wait 7 months to buy the iPad 3?

4) We'll see what the sales numbers are.

 

[Meat-O-Rama]

:laugh2: A bit defensive aren't we? He is poking fun at a phenomenon that comes with any technology. Someone buys a product and days later a new version comes out.

If you think he is *just* picking on Apple, you should try the Android market. There isn't a single company putting a single phone putting out every year or two. 50+ new Android phones come out every year! My Galaxy Nexus isn't a year old and the Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note 2 are both newer and probably better than it in some way.

Not defensive. I would just like him to qualify his statement.

I honestly don't care what other people choose to use for their phone/tablet/device. I use what works for me, they use what works for them. Everyone is (should be?) happy. There is a market for these devices or they wouldn't get made. I just don't get the need to crap on a device that you don't use.

I hear you on the Android device market. I'm a full on geek and read all the geek websites and I cannot keep up with the releases. There are tons of options, each better than the next. But do you find yourself not able to get the things done you need to get done with your current phone because a newer model came out?

 

[TheCount]

Well you know how practical it will be if you already have an iMac. I don't do anything heavy on a computer where I need all of that power. I'd much prefer something that takes up less space and can still have some power.

As far as upgrading goes, the only thing I think most users ever need to upgrade is memory. That's as easy as unscrewing a small part on the bottom and taking the old memory out and putting the new memory in. They've made it very easy for you. I've done it and it makes a big difference. Next iMac I buy I'll make sure it has 4 slots instead of 2 though.

Is your iMac the 27" ? I bought my iMac like 2-4 months before they came out with that. I can't even begin to describe how pissed I was.

That's the thing though, it DOESN'T take up less space. The footprint is virtually identical, just the "display" is slimmed down.

I dunno, maybe I'll consider it but I definitely missed being able to upgrade video/cpu myself. I think my machine would get 3-4 more years out of it, if only I could bump up the video power a bit, must cheaper than spending 2 grand on a new machine.

 

[Rogah]

1) I personally can't wait until all of the Apple devices switch to the lightning cable. It's significantly easier to plug in and feels like it will be much more durable long-term than the old cables.

Whuh-whuh-huh-whuh??!? That's your defense of the lightning cable?! It is "significantly easier to plug in"? Talk about an Applesoft apologist!:laugh2: :laugh1:

I have never in my life taken more than 1 second to plug a connection into a phone or device I was using. That was true before the iPhone5 and it remains true now.

2) There have been a ton of "oh wait, maybe the maps app isn't so bad" articles out lately.

Oh really? Where? Because the problems with the maps app made a lot of national news. It was not, to me, a big deal at all but it was just more egg on Applesoft's face.

That was mostly an overreaction that became an internet meme. I already prefer the new app to the Google app if only for the turn-by-turn and vector-based graphics.

Those are entirely different things. They could have had those functions and still stuck with the maps that actually worked. They wanted the upgrade but they wanted to do it themselves, which led to a shoddy product in need of fixing.

3) It's a slight upgrade. Why would anyone be upset with a slight upgrade unless they literally just bought one?

Considering anyone who bought one did so in the past 6 months, I'd say everyone who has one literally just bought one. This is a $700 purchase we're talking about, not a candy bar.

The full-side iPad upgrade has been rumored for a couple months now, so if they didn't know about it, shame on them.

BULL. CRAP. I follow Apple tech forums constantly and there was not one shred of a rumor about a new iPad upgrade coming yesterday. That took EVERYONE completely by surprise. We all knew they would be announcing the mini, though we didn't know how bad it would be.

And if they have such a hard on for the latest gear, why on earth did they wait 7 months to buy the iPad3?

Gee, you know maybe - just maybe - a lot of people out there can't just snap their fingers and create $700 of disposable income on a whim?

4) We'll see what the sales numbers are.

IIRC, Windows '95 sold pretty well.

 

[theogt]

Whuh-whuh-huh-whuh??!? That's your defense of the lightning cable?! It is "significantly easier to plug in"? Talk about an Applesoft apologist!:laugh2: :laugh1:

Yes, those are the two reasons I prefer the new cable. I can't really understate how much easier it is to plug in. Both from a standpoint of fitting it in the slot and the fact that it's reversible (meaning it doesn't matter if it's upside down, so no fumbling around in the dark). I could have also said that the significant reduction in size (it's about 1/4 of the size of the old cable) allows Apple to fit more hardware inside the device as well. I'm all for that, but it's sort of a hidden benefit for me.

I have never in my life taken more than 1 second to plug a connection into a phone or device I was using. That was true before the iPhone5 and it remains true now.

That's a lie. You're simply lying to prove a point. I don't respect people that lie.

Oh really? Where? Because the problems with the maps app made a lot of national news. It was not, to me, a big deal at all but it was just more egg on Applesoft's face.
Those are entirely different things. They could have had those functions and still stuck with the maps that actually worked. They wanted the upgrade but they wanted to do it themselves, which led to a shoddy product in need of fixing.

Consumer Reports for one.

Considering anyone who bought one did so in the past 6 months, I'd say everyone who has one literally just bought one. This is a $700 purchase we're talking about, not a candy bar.

Really? I bought mine 7 months and 8 days ago. That's ages in the tech world.

BULL. CRAP. I follow Apple tech forums constantly and there was not one shred of a rumor about a new iPad upgrade coming yesterday. That took EVERYONE completely by surprise. We all knew they would be announcing the mini, though we didn't know how bad it would be.

Well, apparently you don't follow them close enough. It was reported by iMore as early as August 2012.

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/05/new-ipad-shows-up-in-app-analytics-running-a6-based-chip/

http://www.imore.com/apple-launch-many-24-ipads-next-week

http://www.imore.com/ipad-3-mark-ii-pricing-reportedly-leaked-same-configurations

http://www.imore.com/ipad-mini-may-be-wifi-only

http://www.imore.com/regarding-ipad-36

Gee, you know maybe - just maybe - a lot of people out there can't just snap their fingers and create $700 of disposable income on a whim?

So they're whining because they can't afford the latest technology? Boohoo for them not being able to afford a $700 luxury item.

IIRC, Windows '95 sold pretty well.

That's because it was the best OS available.

 

[Rogah]

Yes, those are the two reasons I prefer the new cable. I can't really understate how much easier it is to plug in.

I honestly don't understand how a process that takes me about 1 second to do can have gotten so incredibly easier. BTW, it sure ain't easier to plug into all those devices with the 30-pin sockets it is no longer compatible with, is it? You look silly by denying the obvious: This was just a greedy cash grab from Applesoft.

Both from a standpoint of fitting it in the slot and the fact that it's reversible (meaning it doesn't matter if it's upside down, so no fumbling around in the dark).

This just shows how silly your contention is. The device you plug it into is self-lit!! There's no such thing as fumbling around in the dark!!

That's a lie. You're simply lying to prove a point. I don't respect people that lie.

Once I had the device and the cable in my hand, it has never taken me more than 1 second to plug the darn thing in. The new cable does nothing to shorten the amount of time it takes to get the device or the cable in my hand, and it does nothing to shorten the 1-second it takes to plug it in.

In fact, it actually takes me longer to plug the new cable in because the rubber door on my OtterBox is tougher to open for the iPhone5 than it was for the 4/4S, but that's an irrelevant observation. Fact is that once I have the device in hand, the door opened, and the cable in hand, we're talking about 1 full second to completion with the old cable or the new cable.

Well, apparently you don't follow them close enough. It was reported by iMore as early as August 2012.

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/05/new-ipad-shows-up-in-app-analytics-running-a6-based-chip/

http://www.imore.com/apple-launch-many-24-ipads-next-week

http://www.imore.com/ipad-3-mark-ii-pricing-reportedly-leaked-same-configurations

http://www.imore.com/ipad-mini-may-be-wifi-only

http://www.imore.com/regarding-ipad-36

That's a lie. You're lying to make your point. I don't respect people that lie - especially about something as stupid as gadget technology.

You're trying the oldest trick in the internet book: Making a false claim then posting articles that do nothing to support your claim, but hoping nobody takes the time to click on all those articles and realize they do nothing to support your false claim.

Everybody knew an iPad4 was coming eventually and yes, there was speculation about what it would actually be. But absolutely nobody - including those articles you quoted - thought it was coming yesterday until the very last moment.

Seriously, brah. You can like Applesoft product like me without making a fool of yourself by being a total apologist.

 

[a_minimalist]

That's the thing though, it DOESN'T take up less space. The footprint is virtually identical, just the "display" is slimmed down.

I dunno, maybe I'll consider it but I definitely missed being able to upgrade video/cpu myself. I think my machine would get 3-4 more years out of it, if only I could bump up the video power a bit, must cheaper than spending 2 grand on a new machine.

An iMac takes up less physical space than a traditional mac with a monitor and tower(not sure if they are still called that). That's what I was referring to.

 

[theogt]

I honestly don't understand how a process that takes me about 1 second to do can have gotten so incredibly easier. BTW, it sure ain't easier to plug into all those devices with the 30-pin sockets it is no longer compatible with, is it? You look silly by denying the obvious: This was just a greedy cash grab from Applesoft.

Hell, it takes more than 1 second to realize you've tried to stick the cable in the wrong way. You're just blustering now as you don't have a point.

Anyone that has switched from a 30-pin connector to the lightning connector can tell you how much easier it is to plug in.

Not to mention the other benefits I mentioned.

This just shows how silly your contention is. The device you plug it into is self-lit!! There's no such thing as fumbling around in the dark!!

You're exactly right. With the new cable, I don't have to use the light of my phone to look and make sure that I'm plugging the cable in in the right direction.

The new cable does nothing to shorten the amount of time it takes to get the device or the cable in my hand, and it does nothing to shorten the 1-second it takes to plug it in.

Sure it does. I've already explained how.

That's a lie. You're lying to make your point. I don't respect people that lie - especially about something as stupid as gadget technology.

You're trying the oldest trick in the internet book: Making a false claim then posting articles that do nothing to support your claim, but hoping nobody takes the time to click on all those articles and realize they do nothing to support your false claim.

Everybody knew an iPad4 was coming eventually and yes, there was speculation about what it would actually be. But absolutely nobody - including those articles you quoted - thought it was coming yesterday until the very last moment.

Seriously, brah. You can like Applesoft product like me without making a fool of yourself by being a total apologist.

Uhh...what are you talking about? Here's a quote from one of the links I just posted:

"The Guardian also repeats rumors iMore has been hearing since August, namely that the iPad 3 will be refreshed at the same time."

Do people really say "brah"?

 

[TheCount]

An iMac takes up less physical space than a traditional mac with a monitor and tower(not sure if they are still called that). That's what I was referring to.

Ah, gotcha.

 

[vta]

An iMac takes up less physical space than a traditional mac with a monitor and tower(not sure if they are still called that). That's what I was referring to.

But they pack so much more punch.

 

[a_minimalist]

But they pack so much more punch.

no thanks. i use my computer for spreadsheets, browsing, and movies. that's it. i don't need a super powerful computer.

 

[Rogah]

You're exactly right. With the new cable, I don't have to use the light of my phone to look and make sure that I'm plugging the cable in in the right direction.

Seriously, brah, now you're just humiliating yourself.
Anyone that took longer than 1 second to plug the old connector in is just a complete moron. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

 

[theogt]

Seriously, brah, now you're just humiliating yourself.
Anyone that took longer than 1 second to plug the old connector in is just a complete moron. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Is the use of the word "brah" a joke? Am I missing something? Is this actually used in some parts of the country?