Arbitrator hands down 162 Games for A-Rod

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is absolutely nothing in that article that supports what you said. You said the "Yankees could try and recoup 6 million of that for performance clauses that have already been paid out." (direct quote, your words, emphasis added) All that article talks about is future performance bonuses.

OK. It's not all that big of a deal to me. I am certain that I read 6 million in an article but I can not find it so I will concede the point.

That's pretty funny the way you realized you were wrong and I called you out on it so you totally changed your statement hoping no one would notice.

Yep, that's pretty funny. You are absolutely right. Now, how bout we act like we are grown as opposed to children?

Now you're just showing how much you simply do not know what you are talking about. The Yankees absolutely cannot designate him for assignment without his consent in A-Ball or anywhere else. The guy has been playing baseball for 20 years so sorry, but I think team options on him are expired.Robinson Cano says hi.

They absolutely can. He's not on the 40 man roster while he is suspended. They can absolutely designate him to the Minors.

You're talking about potential future changes, which is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Well, since Baseball Season is not yet hear, everything we are both talking about is based on the future so I guess you could say that all of it is irrelevant to whatever discussion you are referring to.

Please tell Robbie hello for me.

 

[Rogah]

Yep, that's pretty funny. You are absolutely right. Now, how bout we act like we are grown as opposed to children?

Sure thing, so going forward please feel free not to include snide comments like "google is your friend"

They absolutely can. He's not on the 40 man roster while he is suspended. They can absolutely designate him to the Minors.

Lest there be any misunderstanding, let me clarify my point: I am not talking about the suspension year, I am talking about 2015. When A-Rod returns in 2015, the Yankees cannot send him to the minors without his consent or an injury-related reason to do so. Assuming he reports to camp in 2015, the Yankees have 2 choices:

A) Cut him and pay him the full amount owed (roughly $61 million) or
B) Keep him and give him a spot on the 25 man roster.

Yes, if they choose option B there is no rule stating they have to play him, but it would be cutting off your nose, your arms and your legs to spite your face. There are not going to handicap themselves by giving a valuable roster spot to someone who they won't play, not to mention the constant media circus that would entail.

I think it is likely they cut him prior to spring training, but I don't think it is entirely impossible that they simply keep him. He might be good for .270, 20+ HR's, so even though he is highly overpaid, that is still better than writing him a check for $61 million to disappear.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sure thing, so going forward please feel free not to include snide comments like "google is your friend"

No problem. In future, I will be sure to note the fact that Google hates you and has no good words for you at all.

The truth of the matter is that you could have taken two seconds to google that and found out yourself but you wanted to throw that out there so hey, not a problem. You got your link and the advice is free.

I trust you feel better now.

Lest there be any misunderstanding, let me clarify my point: I am not talking about the suspension year, I am talking about 2015. When A-Rod returns in 2015, the Yankees cannot send him to the minors without his consent or an injury-related reason to do so. Assuming he reports to camp in 2015, the Yankees have 2 choices:


A) Cut him and pay him the full amount owed (roughly $61 million) or
B) Keep him and give him a spot on the 25 man roster.

Yes, if they choose option B there is no rule stating they have to play him, but it would be cutting off your nose, your arms and your legs to spite your face. There are not going to handicap themselves by giving a valuable roster spot to someone who they won't play, not to mention the constant media circus that would entail.

I think it is likely they cut him prior to spring training, but I don't think it is entirely impossible that they simply keep him. He might be good for .270, 20+ HR's, so even though he is highly overpaid, that is still better than writing him a check for $61 million to disappear.

Two things. One, A-Rod must first prove he is healthy enough to play. To my knowledge, that has not happened yet so technically, he can not return to the Yankees, even though he is suspended. After the suspension, he will have to be cleared. I think there is a long way to go before we definitively know exactly what the fate of A-Rod will be.

Two, I seem to recall it being said that A-Rod would never serve more then 50 games. That was said over and over. That clearly was incorrect. The point here is that things can happen to change situations. You still have not addressed the fact that you don't know how much A-Rod wants to play. Based on that, you can't say for sure that he will not settle for less in exchange for playing. You don't know and because of this, you can't say that any thing will happen with 100% assurances.

 

[Rogah]

No problem. In future, I will be sure to note the fact that Google hates you and has no good words for you at all.

Gee thanks for showing us all how to act like an adult.

The truth of the matter is that you could have taken two seconds to google that and found out yourself but you wanted to throw that out there so hey, not a problem. You got your link and the advice is free.

You made an erroneous statement and I called you out on it. All the google searches in the world won't provide any links to "prove" an erroneous statement. By your own admission, you've conceded the point and withdrawn your statement. So maybe you should drop it lest you make yourself look even more foolish.

Two things. One, A-Rod must first prove he is healthy enough to play. To my knowledge, that has not happened yet so technically, he can not return to the Yankees, even though he is suspended. After the suspension, he will have to be cleared. I think there is a long way to go before we definitively know exactly what the fate of A-Rod will be.

OK you seem to be completely unaware that he actually played virtually the entirety of August and September of this year. So clearly he is healthy enough to play. Sure, he will have to pass a routine physical at spring training, and I have no doubt whatsoever he will be able to do that.

Two, I seem to recall it being said that A-Rod would never serve more then 50 games. That was said over and over. That clearly was incorrect. The point here is that things can happen to change situations. You still have not addressed the fact that you don't know how much A-Rod wants to play. Based on that, you can't say for sure that he will not settle for less in exchange for playing. You don't know and because of this, you can't say that any thing will happen with 100% assurances.

I honestly doubt the union would let him do that. 10 years ago this very offseason he tried to "settle for less" in exchange for playing for a team he wanted to play for. The union smacked him upside the head and said "not gonna happen."

The Yankees have zero leverage here. The only thing they can do to hurt A-Rod is give him a roster spot then not play him which, as I said, would be cutting off their nose, arms and legs to spite their face. A-Rod has pocket aces so he will call their bluff and they will fold their 9-3 offsuit.

 

[Rogah]

A) Cut him and pay him the full amount owed (roughly $61 million) or
B) Keep him and give him a spot on the 25 man roster.

I'd like to add an Option C into the mix. They could trade him, but they would still be on the hook for the lion's share of that $61 million. I could see a team desperate for attention and ticket sales like Florida or something like that willing to take on A-Rod for, say, 3 years and $9 million. So he could be included in a deal where the Yankees agreed to eat, say, at least $50 million of the remaining balance due.

Of course, even then, the new team would be on the hook for the performance bonuses so maybe it would cost NY even more.....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Gee thanks for showing us all how to act like an adult.

Don't mention it and remember, Google really is your friend.

You made an erroneous statement and I called you out on it. All the google searches in the world won't provide any links to "prove" an erroneous statement. By your own admission, you've conceded the point and withdrawn your statement. So maybe you should drop it lest you make yourself look even more foolish.

Your reaching. I said that the Yankees may try and collect an additional 6 Million back. That was said in an article but there are seriously several articles on it and I simply can not find the statement again. If that equates to foolish, then I'm fine with it. Whatever you feel like signing up for is OK with me.

OK you seem to be completely unaware that he actually played virtually the entirety of August and September of this year. So clearly he is healthy enough to play. Sure, he will have to pass a routine physical at spring training, and I have no doubt whatsoever he will be able to do that.

On the contrary. I am completely aware of this. I am also completely aware of the fact that he hit .244 in the minors and he was never moved up. Anybody who watched him said that he was not fully recovered and since he was not moved up, that lends itself to the fact that he may not be completely healthy. If I am not mistaken, he was assigned to the Minors as a rehabilitation assignment. Nothing that I have heard from the Yankees pronounced him as rehabilitated or cleared. It is the Clubs perogative to pronounce him healthy. That has yet to happen, so far as I know.

I honestly doubt the union would let him do that. 10 years ago this very offseason he tried to "settle for less" in exchange for playing for a team he wanted to play for. The union smacked him upside the head and said "not gonna happen."

I don't know if they will. I am simply suggesting that the bigger picture may be against ARod where this situation is concerned. If this is viewed as a violation, more so then a situation where he is taking less money, I could see where the Union could make that delineation.

The Yankees have zero leverage here. The only thing they can do to hurt A-Rod is give him a roster spot then not play him which, as I said, would be cutting off their nose, arms and legs to spite their face. A-Rod has pocket aces so he will call their bluff and they will fold their 9-3 offsuit.

I don't agree, but we've been over that already.

 

[Rogah]

Your reaching. I said that the Yankees may try and collect an additional 6 Million back. That was said in an article but there are seriously several articles on it and I simply can not find the statement again.

That's because no such article exists and no statement was ever made. All the google searches in the world won't help you find something that doesn't exist.

On the contrary. I am completely aware of this. I am also completely aware of the fact that he hit .244 in the minors and he was never moved up. Anybody who watched him said that he was not fully recovered and since he was not moved up, that lends itself to the fact that he may not be completely healthy.

Oh my. You really just don't know how to quit when you're behind, do you?

NEWSFLASH: A-Rod was called up in August and hit .244 in the Major Leagues as a member of the New York Yankees - not the minors - and played most games from August 5th through the rest of the season.

You simply don't know what you're talking about when you say he hit .244 in the minors and was never moved up (his actual 2013 Minor League average was a little lower than that)

Serious question: Do you enjoy showing everyone how much you really just have no clue what you are talking about?

If I am not mistaken, he was assigned to the Minors as a rehabilitation assignment. Nothing that I have heard from the Yankees pronounced him as rehabilitated or cleared.

I'd say the fact that they promoted him to the 25 man (Major League) roster and had him play in most games over the final 2 months of the season shows they cleared him.

But you didn't know that because you thought he spent all of last year rehabbing in the minors. Fact is that where this particular topic is concerned, you just have no idea what you are talking about (as you have demonstrated time and again).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's because no such article exists and no statement was ever made. All the google searches in the world won't help you find something that doesn't exist.
Oh my. You really just don't know how to quit when you're behind, do you?

Your story, you tell. With regards to the whole quit thing, I'm not worried. You're here and I'm pretty sure you can show me all there is to now about that.

NEWSFLASH: A-Rod was called up in August and hit .244 in the Major Leagues as a member of the New York Yankees - not the minors - and played most games from August 5th through the rest of the season.

You simply don't know what you're talking about when you say he hit .244 in the minors and was never moved up (his actual 2013 Minor League average was a little lower than that)

Serious question: Do you enjoy showing everyone how much you really just have no clue what you are talking about?
I'd say the fact that they promoted him to the 25 man (Major League) roster and had him play in most games over the final 2 months of the season shows they cleared him.

But you didn't know that because you thought he spent all of last year rehabbing in the minors. Fact is that where this particular topic is concerned, you just have no idea what you are talking about (as you have demonstrated time and again).

You are correct. I did think that ARod spent the rest of the season on rehab assignment but with respects to your question, I don't really enjoy this much at all.

I congratulate you for knowing that ARod got called up. You have clearly shown your knowledge, in that regard to be superior. You have my apologies for not being up to speed on that.

 

[Rogah]

Your story, you tell. With regards to the whole quit thing, I'm not worried. You're here and I'm pretty sure you can show me all there is to now about that.

That's what I've been doing all along when I am letting you know the Yankees have hardly any options and absolutely no leverage here.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's what I've been doing all along when I am letting you know the Yankees have hardly any options and absolutely no leverage here.

This I don't agree with. Yeah, I was completely off base on ARod and his getting moved up but I don't believe that the Yankees have no leverage. I think they do, depending on what ARod wants to do with the rest of his career.