Are some of you mad at how we are building the team through the draft?

[Hawkeye0202]

I've said this in other threads. but I think Bobby Wagner could have been that guy for the defense. He may not be as young as he used to be, but he is still very much playing at an elite level (170 tackles last year), and his leadership, instincts and knowledge would be invaluable. And the thing is, the contract he signed with the Rams was not that big. It still may have been tough to sign him since he is from California and has family out there, but he did say the Cowboys would have been a serious consideration if they had chosen to pursue him.

The fact played for Quinn and signed a fairly reasonable deal with the Rams, tells me all I need to know. I honestly believe if Quinn really wanted him here, he would be here. I'm trusting Quinn on this one 100%.....

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm disappointed in the losses of Cooper, Randy and La'el and the draft being their replacements instead of supplements. That's for THIS season. In general I love building through the draft, would just like to see talent stacked instead of churned, and no notable free agency to speak of.

Yah, see its that "this season" mentality that I am glad they dont do anymore. Your upset they aren't mortgaging the future to go for it all this year.

 

[phildadon86]

I agree. Im glad they passed on Miller and drafted Williams, but Wagner would have been a great pickup for the next 2 or 3 years.

Exactly. Miller I just think would have been a great locker room guy. (not for that price) but Wagner. Damn. That would have been sweet.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Exactly. Miller I just think would have been a great locker room guy. (not for that price) but Wagner. Damn. That would have been sweet.

For better or worse the Cowboys are committed to playing the young guys and developing them. I applaud that. Garrett didnt do enough of that. Guys literally rotted on the bench and careers were destroyed and draft picks wasted.

So that to me tells me they actually do have a plan these days, where as before they didnt. Now the question becomes, will it work and can they augment the draft route with timely FA's the get them to the dance?

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Or are you just upset that we aren't using FA to sign a couple high priced guys from other teams that will get us over the top?

Love what the FO is doing paying our Jag players Elite money.
Love the fact we haven't even been to an NFC Championship game in 27 years.
Change nothing as it's looking mighty Rosie down in Big D!!

 

[morasp]

If we get to the end of the season and still have over $22 million in cap space I'll be very disappointed.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So is every other team. What are we doing that's any different, other than completely ignoring impact free agency. Every team starts with the same number of picks. Every team employs scouts. And every team is drafting from the same pool of players. Does anyone actually beleive we can do this markedly better than the 31 other teams, so much so that we can overcome the lack of aggression in trades and FA acquisitions, in order to build the best team?

They signed lots of FA's this year that are impact. Some of you just seem to want other peoples castoffs.

So if they let Shultz walk and signed someone elses TE would that make you happy?

How about letting Gallup walk and signing some other teams WR?

First priority when you have a quality team or quality players that are FA's is to keep that team together and retain your own players. Cowboys get an A for that this year. They had tons of FA's and they resigned all the important ones. And considering they were 25m over the cap and are now 25m under, that is one hell of a job.

They also got rid of all the overpriced veterans save Zeke. Ill give them a B+ effort there. This was something that had to be done in order to fix a flawed and lopsided roster.

So now they had to replace those veterans with low cost young talent in the draft. Like what they did there as well.

Kept the entire coaching staff together for another year..........................B+ on that one.

And your complaining about what exactly? Not signing one or two overpriced guys the other teams didnt want?

It would have been nice to sign a guy like Wagner I admit. But they did a hell of a job in the other areas. Salary cap situation going foward is the best its looked in 10 years or more.

We have assembled a talented, young roster with guys that are more tough and physical. NO more do we have the finesse, lopsided, top heavy teams of the Garrett era.

Next year we complete the offense by finishing off the Oline rebuild and bringing in talented young RB's to spearhead the new run game.

 

[phildadon86]

For better or worse the Cowboys are committed to playing the young guys and developing them. I applaud that. Garrett didnt do enough of that. Guys literally rotted on the bench and careers were destroyed and draft picks wasted.

So that to me tells me they actually do have a plan these days, where as before they didnt. Now the question becomes, will it work and can they augment the draft route with timely FA's the get them to the dance?

I try and forget Garrett was here for 2 decades while Jerry tried to show everyone how smart he was.

 

[fivetwos]

this thread took off so quickly I didnt have time to answer through alerts. You miss certain responses when you do it like that.

I dont care about arguing. We aren't going to meet eye to eye on everything. Its important we make each other think about things we might not think of.

All good. I can see how if you missed that one post it threw everything off.

I'm really not someone who turns things into '26 years' at every shot, and I agree with most of what you say in general. Misunderstanding. It happens.

 

[bewp7]

i not mad about use the draft to build the roster as primary because it is really the only way to do it lol

i do get mad they do not use all avenue to improve the team with free agency and maybe trade idk if they trade more or less then other team

 

[birdwells1]

Building through the draft is certainly ideal, but by the same means, it hasn't worked.

The surely do get up there and smirk and giggle in front of the media and act like they have a proven winning formula don't they?

Could not have said it better!!!

 

[birdwells1]

I love how the team has drafted smart, young, talented, determined and motivated the past couple of years. Nothing wrong with getting rid of overpaid dead weight and balancing the salary cap. I wouldn't be surprised if a veteran player is added by the end of preseason though, but I like how the team is going mostly with youth, talent and competition.

Their last high priced, first day free agent was Brandon Carr in 2012 so they've been working this plan for 10 years and what has it gotten them?

 

[birdwells1]

"well timed" is the key phrase for me. So is it the time?

To me, FA is to fill draft failures. If you continue to whiff in the draft, then you have to dip into FA.

You also use it to get those one or two big studs you need to win it all. Otherwise, why use it for anything other then bargain type signings? If you are drafting well enough there should be little need to overpay for big time guys.

Now I would probably be testing the waters almost every year to see if better guys will sign on a team friendly deal.

What you are detailing is the plan that the Cowboys have used to get them............no where!!!

 

[America's Cowboy]

Their last high priced, first day free agent was Brandon Carr in 2012 so they've been working this plan for 10 years and what has it gotten them?

Did you forget Amari Cooper???

 

[Proof]

Yah, see its that "this season" mentality that I am glad they dont do anymore. Your upset they aren't mortgaging the future to go for it all this year.

this you?

Personally I dont like how they use FA. And they usually wind up overspending for their own guys until this year.

However, I also think this offseason was the time to pay big money for an over the hump FA.

you are constantly talking out of both sides of your mouth lol. "this season" isn't an ideology, it's specifcally talking about this particular season. you keep lauding last seasons performance, so it would have made sense to build upon it right? yes. it would have. and it's not mortgaging the future when the money was already allocated lol. paying "big money for a fa" (as you suggest) is more akin to mortgaging the future.

 

[Brax]

Or are you just upset that we aren't using FA to sign a couple high priced guys from other teams that will get us over the top?

Mad no lol, no reason to be, most are use to blunder after blunder by the FO. Last 6 years this team has done nothing except choke when it counted. Keep drinking the cool aide, and at the end of the season let us know how great the front office is with we like our guys, they are Jerry's had picked high priced underachievers but hey no reason to be mad just hope the NFC is still horrid so you can sing the praises of Jerry's great assemblage of high priced talkers who don't show up when it's on the line.

 

[Mannix]

You have to do BOTH....the draft is never a sure thing, whereas current players are proven commodities.

 

[acr731]

If we get to the end of the season and still have over $22 million in cap space I'll be very disappointed.

Maybe they're saving it for when they overpay an average QB again.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

They signed lots of FA's this year that are impact. Some of you just seem to want other peoples castoffs.

So if they let Shultz walk and signed someone elses TE would that make you happy?

How about letting Gallup walk and signing some other teams WR?

First priority when you have a quality team or quality players that are FA's is to keep that team together and retain your own players. Cowboys get an A for that this year. They had tons of FA's and they resigned all the important ones. And considering they were 25m over the cap and are now 25m under, that is one hell of a job.

They also got rid of all the overpriced veterans save Zeke. Ill give them a B+ effort there. This was something that had to be done in order to fix a flawed and lopsided roster.

So now they had to replace those veterans with low cost young talent in the draft. Like what they did there as well.

Kept the entire coaching staff together for another year..........................B+ on that one.

And your complaining about what exactly? Not signing one or two overpriced guys the other teams didnt want?

It would have been nice to sign a guy like Wagner I admit. But they did a hell of a job in the other areas. Salary cap situation going foward is the best its looked in 10 years or more.

We have assembled a talented, young roster with guys that are more tough and physical. NO more do we have the finesse, lopsided, top heavy teams of the Garrett era.

Next year we complete the offense by finishing off the Oline rebuild and bringing in talented young RB's to spearhead the new run game.

Amari > CD + Gallup

 

[Ren]

We leave gaping holes in our roster by dumpster diving in FA, I’m all for building through the draft but we can’t keep ignoring obvious upgrades in FA