Are the players potentially showing their disgust with the ridiculous contract paid Dak?

[blueblood70]

I don’t think that’s how these players are programmed. They all want to be paid. They don’t care who pays it. These guys don’t care because they know if they do what they are suppose to do someone will pay them. These guys aren’t playing hard for McCarthy or Rush. They are playing hard for their next contract.

and a roster spot next year....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

and a roster spot next year....

Yep. Another good point.

 

[Vtwin]

again this isnt a one time thing with one group of coaches, players ect...i find it funny you use "Sophmoric" as you dismiss the most "Sophomoric" of deductive reasoning...if the current players/coaches are the problem and the last group and the last group..then tell me genius...whats the proble over SEVERAL decades of diferent players and coaches ALL comming to the same end with the Owner/GM dou we have? You dont like the players, i dont care it doesnt change the fact the problem starts and ends with the only thing that has been constant over the last 29 years of the same results...."I dont like Dak...your dumb if you dont like Dak" hmmm that doesnt seem like a brilliant analysis to me maybe thats the problem you're using Freshmoric logic...

Impressive. You have successfully dumbed down your already simplistic take to an even simpler take.

Here's a hint to give you something to practice your objective thinking on.

More than one thing can be true. Ponder on that for a second or two.

 

[blueblood70]

I don’t think that’s how these players are programmed. They all want to be paid. They don’t care who pays it. These guys don’t care because they know if they do what they are suppose to do someone will pay them. These guys aren’t playing hard for McCarthy or Rush. They are playing hard for their next contract.

The flip side to this argument though what if they are playing harder for McCarthy and Mike Zimmer a lot of these guys contracts are up next season or they feel with drastic coaching change the lower hanging role players will be cut to make room for the new staff's "type" scheme fit players.

So they might all be playing either for a new contract or spot on this team, we're simply auditioning for a spot somewhere else. ts pretty normal for players and coaches to do this as the season winds down and reality starts to settle in that time isn't on their side.....

but from your other statement i do believe most these dudes, yes dak and lamb, do care about winning , nothing's changed much from HS to college to the pros, other than how much more money can they make. But the competitive spirt and edge doesn't really leave "most" Players as the money game day arrives and a game is about to kick off that gut instinct and pride surfaces.

Yes money is part of it but o make the money the payers have to perform or outperform their peers.. they go hand in hand but the pride to be the best ( Ie voted tops in the nfl top 100, Pro bowl selections, season end awards etc ) and remain the best are always there in the stars and superstars of our favorite teams.. IMHO...

examples Diggs played hurt tried to stay on the field but in the end couldn't , same with Lamb he for sure did not want to hear the he got paid and now didn't care, he played hurt ,but why , yes motivated by getting over 1k for the season, if he didn't care he would have shut it down asap , already had his shiny new deal, why play? Dak was clearly unselfish leader no holdouts either time accepted, and bet on himself, with the FT, broke his ankle near career ending he was in tears, same as this injury played the rest of the series hurt, why, he already got paid? he does care!! Plus easily Dak and others could have left and got paid the same elsewhere but chose to stayt they do care about winning but hope is strong that could happen here.

Not like they view this as career death the DC have been a top 6 team in RS win% been the the playoffs 5 of 8 years.. they did go on 36 game win streak, win 2 division titles, and 3 straight playoff appearances, that's hope, that not mediocrity, but sure fans see the 28 year narrative but they do not they live in the moment. they stay as they believe they can be the team to break that drought, its ego and pride with money that drives most fo the big named stars around most leagues.

oh and lastly , they remain on the Dallas cowboys because they have loyalty, the team that drafted them the fan base that cheers for them their community ie see him tear down his house rebuild here locally no intentions to move with a new child, finance etc he and other stay DCs or whatever their teams are because of loyalty...

Yes, money has big factor BUT the answer is why nbe DC if they cared about winning, umm like what 4-5 other teams winning more have better shot at a SB yearly? UMM how do all 32 team's worth of players end up on those 6 teams lmao?? terrible insinuation because the options are slim ie Salary and roster cap limits', only so many options even with FA so most stay and at least the DC origination is still highly regarded as a big media/marketing area, lots of attention and fan base are pretty loyal for the most part so they will get noticed.​

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[jgboys1]

I don't know about the players but I would say over 90% of our fan base is!

 

[DUO_CORE]

There are two types of "quick releases". There's dink and dunk get the ball out of your hands after the snap for short gains (Dak and Rush), and then there's the elapsed time from when the QB chooses a target to the time the ball leaves his hand. Aikman was one of the best.

 

[kskboys]

In that case, the Cowboys on minimum contracts should be thrilled Prescott is paid $60 million AAV. According to you, if Jerry had more money to spend he could afford to replace them with a better player.

That is one weird response.

I have no idea how you're looking at this. DLaw insisted on being paid like other edge rushers. CD wanted to be the highest paid WR, or 2nd. Why? Because of what others have been paid.

It's talked about frequently how one owner will overpay and ruin the payscale. Why? Because then others want to be paid according to what he got.

 

[kskboys]

If Rush were better than Dak, I'd lend some credence to the possibility that they're playing harder because he gives them a better chance to win...but he's not better than Dak. Or at least, he's not better than Dak was before this season.

At most, I'd say they might play harder for Rush because Rush needs them to.

But I think the best and most likely explanation is that you've got guys getting their first opportunities to show what they can do, and impress the Cowboys, and other teams, who may want to sign them as starters, if they show enough potential.

Or, even more likely, Rush gets rid of the ball much quicker, which means the OL doesn't have to hold their blocks anywhere near as long. And Rush throws w/ anticipation, meaning the WRs get the ball quicker and are more likely to get YAC.

Now, don't misunderstand me, Rush is not an NFL starter. He has no arm. However, his head is worthy of Tom Brady comparisons. He sees the field like no other and anticipates when someone will break open.

 

[kskboys]

There are two types of "quick releases". There's dink and dunk get the ball out of your hands after the snap for short gains (Dak and Rush), and then there's the elapsed time from when the QB chooses a target to the time the ball leaves his hand. Aikman was one of the best.

A "quick release" is actually different than the time taken to throw the ball. Quick release simply means there's no windup, the QB just whips the ball out.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't think the Dak situation has anything to do with it. Did they play to a different level the first 2 games Rush started? No they got blown out and played terribly.

With that said they have shown improvement over the last 5 games. Despite the injuries we've seen growth from the younger guys, we've seen the resemblance of a run game, and I think the defense is showing a greater understanding of Zimmer's defense.

we have played the 21, 25th, 28, 32nd ranked defenses in the past 5 weeks. that helps a lot.

also, those games coincided with Zeke being really benched and Dowdle carrying. Martin injury was a blessing in disguise as he was a turnstile all season including the games he started for Rush.
this has allowed the rookies to learn, now in the 2nd half of the season.

 

[Johannes44]

They are so brainwashed at times I wonder how Jerry gets away with what he does then I read this forum and I realize we are dealing with different creatures lol

Dunno, your line of thinking supposes that Jerry Jones made the decision to overpay Dak in a vacuum and that Dak and his agent had no input into the number they ended up with.

 

[Pantone282C]

Same here.

I remember on Hard Knocks 2021 when Dak was coming off the broken ankle, there was a scene where the backup QB (Rush?) was in and Dak barges into the huddle and tells him to GTF out of his huddle, this was his team, etc. It was strange and uncalled for - the backup didn't do anything wrong, he was just running the offense like he was instructed to do.

I guess Dak was trying to sound like an alpha tough guy type, but IMO he came off like a real jerk.

That was just one scene, but that's always stuck with me. And I don't remember him seeming particularly likable or loved by his teammates in other scenes, either. That surprised me after years of hearing what an amazing leader and teammate he was.

Just to add an edit, double checked and it was Cooper Rush.

Rut Row

 

[Pantone282C]

Not to me. It looks like they are getting more familiar with a new scheme and playing with more instinct and less thinking.

Wow. An objective and fair observation. Which planet are you from?

 

[Kingofholland]

we have played the 21, 25th, 28, 32nd ranked defenses in the past 5 weeks. that helps a lot.

also, those games coincided with Zeke being really benched and Dowdle carrying. Martin injury was a blessing in disguise as he was a turnstile all season including the games he started for Rush.
this has allowed the rookies to learn, now in the 2nd half of the season.

Very true!

 

[Pantone282C]

If Rush were better than Dak, I'd lend some credence to the possibility that they're playing harder because he gives them a better chance to win...but he's not better than Dak. Or at least, he's not better than Dak was before this season.

At most, I'd say they might play harder for Rush because Rush needs them to.

But I think the best and most likely explanation is that you've got guys getting their first opportunities to show what they can do, and impress the Cowboys, and other teams, who may want to sign them as starters, if they show enough potential.

That would be the most plausible explanation.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dunno, your line of thinking supposes that Jerry Jones made the decision to overpay Dak in a vacuum and that Dak and his agent had no input into the number they ended up with.

I don’t follow..

 

[Johannes44]

I don’t follow..

The premise is that Jerry alone is to blame for that atrocious contract and I think he deserves a large share of that, I don’t think he did this in a vaccum and that Dak and his agent are entirely innocent.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The premise is that Jerry alone is to blame for that atrocious contract and I think he deserves a large share of that, I don’t think he did this in a vaccum and that Dak and his agent are entirely innocent.

What would France and Dak be victim of?

 

[Johannes44]

What would France and Dak be victim of?

I’d say pushing the price tag. You seriously don’t think that Jerry just came up with that number did you?

 

[Steve007]

These guys are human; not robots.
I think they don't believe in Dak as their quarterback anymore, and it shows in the way they have played since Rush took over.
I also don't think this comes as a surprise to Dak. I think he knows they no longer believe they will see any success with him.
I don't think Dak will be back next season.

The comments from Parson sounds like they don't believe in Dak. Dak will be back because of his huge contract.