Are we trying to pull off some sort of Moneyball?

[Bigrandrn]

Jerry and Stephen aren’t smart enough to be analytical like they were with moneyball.

 

[Cowfan75Lives]

Jerry is infatuated with shiny objects. Drafting players who wouldve been 1st rounders if they hadn’t suffered a serious injury or were a drug addict. And also with former 1st rounders who are busts. Always thinking he is going to swoop in and sign the steal of the century.

See Randy Gregory. Recall the staggering amount of money he tried to throw at him. Jerry is an idiot. Cap Boy is even worse.

 

[baltcowboy]

not being wise bro, but thats a lot of IF's. And mix in an unproven, first time head coach. If all of these things fall into place, we'll be very lucky.

Washington got lucky last year. Why can’t Dallas this year.

 

[Bagman]

Team building based on $$. If you meet the price tag, you can play for our team. Some of these signings may actually work out but I hate all the one year contracts. We're going to have 20 free agents again next year. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Kingofholland]

I'm starting to wonder if we are trying to pull off some sort of "Moneyball" style form of team building were we are looking at certain metrics that the general public doesn't generally perceive as valuable to sign lower dollar FA and acquire players via trade.

I'm not saying that it is a positive or a good thing, but it certainly seems like they are targeting certain players who have an athletic profile over an NFL pedigree.

Our offseason seems to have a theme... from the coaching search/hire to the FA period, to the players we are adding...

100% think so. These are very targeted moves and think the analytics department and scouts are working extra hard to find low cost system fits. I like the LB adds and think they will definitely help the team, the rest I don't know but hey sometimes you find some great bargains at the 2nd hand store.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you think it's about frp pedigree or tape?

You think these guys were chosen by the scouts or by a salesman?

It is not an all or nothing situation. You are insisting that it is only about 'FRP.' I am saying that is all the press is saying in the headline but that is a gross oversimplification.

Do I think the traits that made him a first round pick and likely something they liked about him the year that he was drafted are considered? Yes.

Do I think that makes it the only reason? No. That is absurd.

But he if you want to pretend they just go , "FRP GOOD!" go for it. You hae no real basis for the opinion so what is the point in actually trying to convince you with real.

Simple is easy but not right. Occam's razor is for choosing what to consider first and not indicative.

And you really love your false dichotomies. How about another option other than your asinine two?

I actually think that Jerry has a system where he talks to his coaches, scouts, and executives and makes decisions based either on their consensus and lacking that makes Jerry chooses what he likes best. I think this because that is what we have seen them do on draft day for the past 30 years.

I think it is a horrid way to manage a business. Even then I can acknowledge, if Jerry listens to someone that is giving him useful advice, the team can succeed. He listened to Jimmy at one point.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jerry and Stephen aren’t smart enough to be analytical like they were with moneyball.

Actually, Stephen has a EE degree. That means he knows how to do multivariable calculus, linear algebra, and statistics.

I bet you don't even know how to interpret Chi-square results. So how would you know?

 

[Chasing6]

And given what they are doing this year: are they going to get more or less comp picks than what they were doing before?

It's amusing watching people come to grips with it not being like it has been for the past decade. First week and a dozen moves? Not in the last 15 years.

No, that does not mean I think it will work. I don't pretend to know the unknowable.

The most you can get is 4, which we got this year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The most you can get is 4, which we got this year.

And that was on the basis of last year. If you want to fixate on last year and be mad then go ahead.

They are not going to be getting 4 next year is the point.

Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.

 

[morat1959]

100% think so. These are very targeted moves and think the analytics department and scouts are working extra hard to find low cost system fits. I like the LB adds and think they will definitely help the team, the rest I don't know but hey sometimes you find some great bargains at the 2nd hand store.

It sure has worked out well the last 30 years. Let’s not change anything. Gotta fill those seats and sell those jerseys.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I'm starting to wonder if we are trying to pull off some sort of "Moneyball" style form of team building were we are looking at certain metrics that the general public doesn't generally perceive as valuable to sign lower dollar FA and acquire players via trade.

I'm not saying that it is a positive or a good thing, but it certainly seems like they are targeting certain players who have an athletic profile over an NFL pedigree.

Our offseason seems to have a theme... from the coaching search/hire to the FA period, to the players we are adding...

You’re giving Jerry waaaaay to much credit to be as astute as Billy Beane.

 

[plasticman]

The theme seems to be high draft picks whose development was interrupted by serious injury.

A serious injury in the NFL can derail both that season and next season. In many cases it takes a year and a half to resume a career.

I also think that sometimes the issue isn't the quality of play, it's the frequency. A player may not have put in enough time on the field for an accurate evaluation. Rather than take a risk, a team chooses to start over with a different player.

Having said that, if one of these players show any early indication that they are not willing to give maximum effort, jettison them immediately to send the right message to the rest.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It sure has worked out well the last 30 years. Let’s not change anything. Gotta fill those seats and sell those jerseys.

Another one that sees the dozen moves in the first week of FA as business as usual.

 

[Chasing6]

And that was on the basis of last year. If you want to fixate on last year and be mad then go ahead.

They are not going to be getting 4 next year is the point.

Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.

Even if they do. They are a year removed.

A comp pick is added to the end of a round. So a 5th round comp pick this year is basically an early 6th. So if we get a 5th comp pick, next year for losing a player this year, it is basically valued as an early 7th in real time.

1. Lewis
2. DLaw
3. Gholston
4. Kendricks

I think we could end up with 4, from these players. It comes down to the contract and playing time, and we know Stephen is not going to sign a legit FA to off set it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Even if they do. They are a year removed.

A comp pick is added to the end of a round. So a 5th round comp pick this year is basically an early 6th. So if we get a 5th comp pick, next year for losing a player this year, it is basically valued as an early 7th in real time.

1. Lewis
2. DLaw
3. Gholston
4. Kendricks

I think we could end up with 4, from these players. It comes down to the contract and playing time, and we know Stephen is not going to sign a legit FA to off set it.

You don't know how comp picks work and I am not interested in teaching you.

If you want to think that after all the signings of this week they are going to get comp picks then you go right ahead.

 

[Chasing6]

You don't know how comp picks work and I am not interested in teaching you.

If you want to think that after all the signings of this week they are going to get comp picks then you go right ahead.

What signings? The 1 year $3M signings. You think that is you going off set anything? Those players won't even see the field for 20% of the time.

• Salary: A player's average annual salary (APY) is a primary factor.
  
  
• Playing Time: The number of snaps a player plays is also considered.
  
  
• Postseason Honors: Awards like Pro Bowl selections and All-Pro teams are factored into the formula.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What signings. The 1 year $3M signings. You think that is you going off set anything? Those players won't even see the field for 20% of the time.

I just told you I have no interest in teaching you how comp picks work. If you don't believe me I don't care.

 

[Chasing6]

I just told you I have no interest in teaching you how comp picks work. If you don't believe me I don't care.

You have zero to teach. Try teaching yourself.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have zero to teach. Try teaching yourself.

You have started to make an argument. You basically gave some parameters, didn't look at the salary clustering and gave an obviously biased interpretation of our signings. Then basically waved your hands.

At best you have shown that if none of the Cowboys signings don't cancel any of those contracts we might get 4 picks.

It's still halfassed after I have called you on it two hours ago. I am not going to show you how the system works.

You've made up your mind and looking for confirmation. Any discussion is a waste of time in that context. I am fine with the disposition.

 

[jujoboys]

If we were using the moneyball theory then Dak, Ceedee, Parsons, Diggs, Steele, and Osa wouldn't be on the team.