Are you a win now or later fan?

[CowboyRoy]

And which teams do that really well? I can only think of one.

Cowboys are starting to do it the last few years and you can already see the results. Look at all the cap space we have going forward and the corps of young players. There are also teams all over the NFL that have big time cap space. The Cowboys have been late to the game in that regard. Jones was always a one year guy. We were always one player away. And that got us nowhere. Its a wonder any fan of the Cowboys still wants that approach after watching Jones the last 20 years.

 

[CouchCoach]

Cowboys are starting to do it the last few years and you can already see the results. Look at all the cap space we have going forward and the corps of young players. There are also teams all over the NFL that have big time cap space. The Cowboys have been late to the game in that regard. Jones was always a one year guy. We were always one player away. And that got us nowhere. Its a wonder any fan of the Cowboys still wants that approach after watching Jones the last 20 years.

The alternative isn't getting us there any faster and it's not about being one player away, it's which player away. What if they'd picked up Suh last season instead of LA getting him? Makes me wonder. But it also makes me wonder if Sammy Watkins had been that player.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I'm Pete Carroll, Win Forever!

 

[America's Cowboy]

I'm a fart now, worry later type of fan.

 

[Parcells4Life]

The only thing that really hurts winning later is dead cap space. When you have a player with a big number retire (like Romos contract or the triplets in the late 90s/early 2000s) or cutting/trading players with big years of guaranteed money still left like the Dolphins did with Suh and Steelers did with AB.

Every year the cap goes up by 8-10 mil so that’s like adding another player. Always room to maneuver.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I do silly really well and I guess you didn't read all of the responses?

Most Cowboys fans are morons anyway.

The alternative isn't getting us there any faster and it's not about being one player away, it's which player away. What if they'd picked up Suh last season instead of LA getting him? Makes me wonder. But it also makes me wonder if Sammy Watkins had been that player.

Long term success trumps short term. Has to be the way you run your business. Dont be short sighted and impatient. We are trying to build a dynasty here, not a one year wonder. Shake off the beaten down cowboys fan mentality of the last 20 years. Jones and Stephen are doing things right now. They have finally figured it out. You should be happy they arent doing what you are saying.

Last years team were lucky to even have made it to where they were. Suh wouldnt have mattered.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Win now without a doubt......tomorrow will take care of itself..........I believe that's what the Pats do year in and year out, it's a philosophy that seems to work for them every year. Also, they don't fall in love with their players and keep them around longer than they should.

 

[Whirlwin]

If you draft well and develop young talent well, the window never fully closes. Oh and very good coaching too.

The goal should be, to remain competitive every year. With only the occasional down year.

I totally agree. I know people want that ring so bad. But being as good as we were for so long was an achievement that people just don't understand. Or just plain refuse to because it's just not enough . I also understand because they wanted more. .8 + 8. Was such an accomplishment . I can't express how hard that was to do. Teams go to the Super Bowl and the season after they don't even make the playoffs they disappear. We had an opportunity every single season to be great. Just shot ourselves in the foot one way or another

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

Trying to get me to say “Just win baby” but I’m not falling for it

 

[Whirlwin]

Cowboys are starting to do it the last few years and you can already see the results. Look at all the cap space we have going forward and the corps of young players. There are also teams all over the NFL that have big time cap space. The Cowboys have been late to the game in that regard. Jones was always a one year guy. We were always one player away. And that got us nowhere. Its a wonder any fan of the Cowboys still wants that approach after watching Jones the last 20 years.

We spent so many draft picks trying to get over the top. All the way from Terry Glenn to Roy Williams and everything in between turn I love what we've been doing the last three seasons. This is not the same old Cowboys

 

[Whirlwin]

Win now without a doubt......tomorrow will take care of itself..........I believe that's what the Pats do year in and year out, it's a philosophy that seems to work for them every year. Also, they don't fall in love with their players and keep them around longer than they should.

What many don't talk about. They have football players they take . a little bit better than average guys . teach them how to play as one and they become great. Just do your job is more than a cliche

 

[CouchCoach]

Most Cowboys fans are morons anyway.


Long term success trumps short term. Has to be the way you run your business. Dont be short sighted and impatient. We are trying to build a dynasty here, not a one year wonder. Shake off the beaten down cowboys fan mentality of the last 20 years. Jones and Stephen are doing things right now. They have finally figured it out. You should be happy they arent doing what you are saying.

Last years team were lucky to even have made it to where they were. Suh wouldnt have mattered.

Jury is out on them doing things right and I do not agree on Suh, I think he would have anchored that DL. And there is a major difference between doing things right and doing the right things.

 

[CouchCoach]

Trying to get me to say “Just win baby” but I’m not falling for it

C'mon, say it. You know you wanna and no one has beat you to it yet.

 

[Nightman]

The alternative isn't getting us there any faster and it's not about being one player away, it's which player away. What if they'd picked up Suh last season instead of LA getting him? Makes me wonder. But it also makes me wonder if Sammy Watkins had been that player.

I think building for a Dynasty when they haven't won in 25 years is foolish

JJones wanted his Belichick because he was getting tired of meeting new coaches every 3-4 years but he also wanted control

Stop trying to win accounting awards and go all in to win the Super Bowl.... we are so close

 

[Whirlwin]

Jury is out on them doing things right and I do not agree on Suh, I think he would have anchored that DL. And there is a major difference between doing things right and doing the right things.

You know if you're starting A-Team the first thing you go after as a coach. It's hard to get a coach that fits the scheme of the team that's already in place.

 

[CouchCoach]

What many don't talk about. They have football players they take . a little bit better than average guys . teach them how to play as one and they become great. Just do your job is more than a cliche

And therein lies the separation from Belichick and the other HC's. All of the other coaches coach players, he coaches a team. Just do your job really isn't a cliché to them because they get the message, no need to worry about others doing their job because if they're not, he sits them just like he did Butler, the hero of a previous SB. There is one king.

The major difference between the Cowboys and the Patriots is that no one inside the Patriots organization wonders who's in charge. One voice, one message and a belief system beyond any in pro sports.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think building for a Dynasty when they haven't won in 25 years is foolish

JJones wanted his Belichick because he was getting tired of meeting new coaches every 3-4 years but he also wanted control

Stop trying to win accounting awards and go all in to win the Super Bowl.... we are so close

I agree, a couple of players and this team can go toe to toe with any of them.

I think the son struggled so long to learn how to handle the cap that handling that became as important as assembling a true contender.

I laugh at these off season grades and post draft grades. They continue to try and play the game on paper.

 

[xwalker]

I think Lawrence's deal could be an issue down the road but do you know what's down that road? Me neither.

It seems every year, I would point to the following year as the year because I saw them on this incline chart that basically ignored the real issue, the other teams on the chart. While I might see the Cowboys building toward something, so were other teams and maybe on a steeper incline.

I do not want them to address Prescott, Elliott or any other player under contract until they've exhausted all of the resources to make the run now. I am a win now fan. And it's not just because I am older than most here but that "team of the future" isn't working.

The other part of the win now mentality is to hell with the draft in 2020, do whatever is necessary in this draft, the one deep in DL, to get quality not quantity. The Cowboys need a pick to play like Vander Esch or Lord Byron, not a Charleton. They need immediate help because as this team is now, I don't see it. And the odds of immediate help at 58 are a lot worse than on day 1.

This draft is not just about needs but what is missing. If it is necessary to borrow from 2020 to impact 2019, I am all in on that. There are players in this draft that can step in and start but I do not see that at 58.

So, I know the "correct answer" is both but between the two which are you? Want to sink the 8 ball on the break or wait to set it up and take a chance on your opponent doing that?

The Cowboys approach the past few years has been methodical with a balance between the current season and future seasons.

The Cowboys approach between Jimmy departing up until some time this decade was the "One Player Away" mentality. That resulted in Joey Galloway, Roy Williams, 50M to Brandon Carr, trading up for Claiborne, etc..

 

[CowboyRoy]

Jury is out on them doing things right and I do not agree on Suh, I think he would have anchored that DL. And there is a major difference between doing things right and doing the right things.

I don’t even like duh as a player. Waste of money if you ask me.

 

[Cowboys_22]

Since I’m not guaranteed later and barely guaranteed now..I’ll go with win now CC