Are you glad we didn't get P. Lynch?

[Doomsday101]

Yes Dallas made a mistake when they were not ready when Aikman retired and it took the 5 years before they found a replacement in Romo. I do not want to see the same mistake made. Now do you get it?

I've gotten it all along. In your earlier posts to this thread, you questioned Denver's ability to evaluate QBs, for which I disagree with you. Brock Osweiler is proof that Denver can develop QBs. But regardless on how you or I feel about Denver trading up to get Lynch, my point is Denver is making the attempt to develop a franchise QB, while Dallas, once again, refuses to even attempt to develop a franchise QB, even though Romo is well into the twilight of his career.[/quote]

Dallas was not refusing they were making a move for Lynch Cowboys have said so as well, they were highly interested in getting Wentz but Philly move to go to the 2nd pick stopped that. Dallas is not refusing. Seem to me this is going to turn into another jerry jones rant but the fact is Dallas was trying toe get Lynch by every account. So you stop with they were refusing BS

I did not see any QB develop under Kubiak in Houston, god knows they tried but the results sucked

 

[4lifecowboy]

Yes Dallas made a mistake when they were not ready when Aikman retired and it took the 5 years before they found a replacement in Romo. I do not want to see the same mistake made. Now do you get it?

I've gotten it all along. In your earlier posts to this thread, you questioned Denver's ability to evaluate QBs, for which I disagree with you. Brock Osweiler is proof that Denver can develop QBs. But regardless on how you or I feel about Denver trading up to get Lynch, my point is Denver is making the attempt to develop a franchise QB, while Dallas, once again, refuses to even attempt to develop a franchise QB, even though Romo is well into the twilight of his career.[/quote]

What are you talking about? Dallas attempted to move up for Lynch Denver just won the bidding war.

 

[CATCH17]

If he actually scored an 18 on the wonderlich...I would never draft him for QB.

But his score of 18 (out of 50) on the Wonderlic Test isn't doing him any favors. It has some scouts worried about his future in the league.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-scouts-worried-about-paxton-lynch-low-wonderlic-2016-4

 

[jjktkk]

Dallas was not refusing they were making a move for Lynch Cowboys have said so as well, they were highly interested in getting Wentz but Philly move to go to the 2nd pick stopped that. Dallas is not refusing. Seem to me this is going to turn into another jerry jones rant but the fact is Dallas was trying toe get Lynch by every account. So you stop with they were refusing BS

You're right, "refusing" was the wrong word to use, at least for this year, but Dallas had to know Denver was desperate to get their hands on Lynch. And if you knew my opinions regarding Jerry, you would know I have defended Jerry on this forum numerous times, But not getting Wentz, Goff, or Lynch, this year, regardless of the reasons why, is a mistake, and just another year without a franchise QB for this team.

 

[Verdict]

If the Cowboys wanted to move up to get Lynch I am sure he was worth moving up for, but personally, I am glad that they didn't. This team has lots of holes to fill on defense and here seem to be quite a few play makers available on defense.

Actually, I would love to see us trade DOWN a few spots and get a kings ransom to do it. Trading down might cost us our choice of an impact player at #34, but we could get equal quality at around #40 or maybe later than that at DT.

That move back probably gets you a 3rd round (or later) player, including QB, for FREE.

 

[jjktkk]

If the Cowboys wanted to move up to get Lynch I am sure he was worth moving up for, but personally, I am glad that they didn't. This team has lots of holes to fill on defense and here seem to be quite a few play makers available on defense.

Actually, I would love to see us trade DOWN a few spots and get a kings ransom to do it. Trading down might cost us our choice of an impact player at #34, but we could get equal quality at around #40 or maybe later than that at DT.

That move back probably gets you a 3rd round (or later) player, including QB, for FREE.

Please no, they attempted this in 09 and failed miserably!

 

[Verdict]

You're right, "refusing" was the wrong word to use, at least for this year, but Dallas had to know Denver was desperate to get their hands on Lynch. And if you knew my opinions regarding Jerry, you would know I have defended Jerry on this forum numerous times, But not getting Wentz, Goff, or Lynch, this year, regardless of the reasons why, is a mistake, and just another year without a franchise QB for this team.

Well, in a perfect world, we would have our choice of QBs out of this draft. But it isn't a perfect world. No one knows if these guys will be the next Manning or Leaf. We had the draft collateral to move all the way up to #1 this year if we had chosen to do so. The problem is, once you do that, it affects your ability to fill out the rest of the roster with affordable talent.

Moving up, or down, or staying where you are doesn't matter, it is all a risk. The Giants stayed put and lost their guy. So there is a risk to everything.

 

[KRochelli]

I'm with you on all that but like I said... The time to do that was a month ago.

If we were willing to give up our 2nd and 3rd for Lynch then we could've put together a deal to move up 2 spots for not much more than that if anything.

I keep reading this, but its fantasy. Titans and Browns got a truckload of picks for 1 and 2 - we were never going to compete with that as we were only moving up 2-3 spots.

 

[ksadler1]

I am not upset about Lynch. I'm upset about the fact that this FO has been here before and should have been addressing this at least 2 or 3 years ago. I'm pretty sure most here will agree that this is not a SB team yet. Yes, this team has A LOT of needs that can't be addressed in one draft, but when you're picking in the top 5. you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO address your most important need. Like I said, I'm happy with Zeke, but he was nowhere close to our most important need. It's no secret that Dallas really liked Wentz, but once more our rival(s) beat us to the punch. You can't let that happen if you think he's the guy. You bite the bullet, and yes over-pay if necessary. How good will Zeke be if the starter goes down and teams key on the run? Wentz, Goff and Lynch may all suck, but the teams that felt they needed them did what was necessary to get them. We did nothing. Like I said, this rant is not about this year alone.....

 

[Doomsday101]

You're right, "refusing" was the wrong word to use, at least for this year, but Dallas had to know Denver was desperate to get their hands on Lynch. And if you knew my opinions regarding Jerry, you would know I have defended Jerry on this forum numerous times, But not getting Wentz, Goff, or Lynch, this year, regardless of the reasons why, is a mistake, and just another year without a franchise QB for this team.

A mistake in my view would be not attempting to do it but they did. I'm not going to blame the Cowboys on this. I want to get a QB in here as well to allow that QB some time before he sent out onto the field to run things full time I don’t know if that QB is still out there in this draft or not, I suspect not but then again Dallas worked out a lot of QB leading up to the draft so maybe there is a QB they like and feel can develop we will see.

 

[coogrfan]

It's time to start exploring options annually in the draft until we find our next field general. Perhaps that's Hackenberg.

I agree. Take a quarterback every year, but clearly the price for the pick was too high. Maybe it is Hackenberg. If you take him with a 3 or 4, you're doing just fine.

How is using a draft pick on a guy who can't play "doing fine"?

 

[Verdict]

Please no, they attempted this in 09 and failed miserably!

Well. this isn't 2009. We have a pick in the first round this year. We won't trade so far back that we don't have a second round pick. Even if we did, the players and talent are grouped much differently than it was in 2009. Overall the 2009 draft wasn't a very good draft.

 

[CATCH17]

I keep reading this, but its fantasy. Titans and Browns got a truckload of picks for 1 and 2 - we were never going to compete with that as we were only moving up 2-3 spots.

I disagree just because they wouldn't have to trade back far and they would still get picks.

Would they have taken more to move back more like they did? Probably.. But they just as easily could've liked the idea of getting a top 2 position player in this draft plus a 2nd and 3rd.

Also, Jerry said he would've sweetened the deal for Lynch had he known Denvers offer so he could've very well done the same for Wentz or Goff.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the one thing I get out of this with Dallas actively trying to get Lynch is that they are not blind to the fact that Romo is 36 dealing with injury issues the last 3 seasons and all the talk of Romo being here the next 4 to 5 years was not something the Cowboys actually are thinking as being realistic.

 

[IrishAnto]

WE should've tried to get Wentz if we wanted a QB. The time for giving up premium picks should've ended there.



I'd like to see us get Hackenberg. He's had pro coaching, he's good at adjusting pre-snap, and he has all the physical tools.

He needs work but his upside is high.

Hackenberg had a less than 60% completion rate in College and cracked under pressure.

That won't hack it in the NFL, especially in Dallas.

 

[ICP]

I think I would be OK if they took a shot on Dak Prescott if he's still around in the 3rd but that would mean no DB help drafted till round 4 as I'm pretty sure they go DE in round two. As long as they don't draft Hackenberg I can live with it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I feel like we dodged a bullet there.

We were offering our 2nd & 3rd round pick for that guy. We desperately need defenders and since we didn't get Wentz or Goff i'd rather just sell out on winning now.

Thank you Denver!

I think that would have been a complete home run if we had gotten Lynch. I could have lived with no defense. I am actually very impressed that the Cowboys brass actually recognized they need to draft the next franchise QB.

 

[CATCH17]

Hackenberg had a less than 60% completion rate in College and cracked under pressure.

That won't hack it in the NFL, especially in Dallas.

Agree, but Hackenber played on a team that received the death penalty, an OL that was horrible, and WR's that didn't get open.

I don't want to make a lot of excuses for him because he does share some of the blame.



He has a lot of positive traits though.

Has all the physical tools, Ran a 4.7 40 surprisingly, played under Bill O'Brien, has a pocket presence, and basically ran the Penn State offense like a pro style QB that has full control over adjustments pre-snap.

I would love to groom him and see what we have 2 or 3 years from now because I think he has homerun potential.

I don't want a Connor Cook or someone like that he is mediocre at best. Give me a QB with real upside and if we strike out then so be it.

 

[DTown214]

I think even the biggest Paxton Lynch supporters have to admit that trading our 2nd and 3rd for the guy would've been a disaster

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I feel like we dodged a bullet there.

We were offering our 2nd & 3rd round pick for that guy. We desperately need defenders and since we didn't get Wentz or Goff i'd rather just sell out on winning now.

Thank you Denver!

I am glad we missed out on that. I would not have been happy to have given up our 2nd and third for him.