Are you surprised by how bad Drew is with no-O-Line?

[Portland Fanatic]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nevitch01.html

Best I could do PC.

LOL...I think I helped you prove your point...

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I think you have to apply some common sense meaning you can't think of these situations in terms of absolutes. For example, you can't state every time that a QB needs a great offensive line or pass blocking to succeed. We have all seen QB's have great games in which they overcame their offensive line and bought time with their feet or made quick reads. Yes, in general, a QB needs an excellent offensive line to succeed. But if you think the great QB's had perfect protection at all times, you are seriously delluding yourselves.

It's football people, the pass protection is going to break even if you assemble an OL consisting entirely of ALL-Pro's. To expect a QB to have ample time to throw on every play doesn't make sense.

If a QB is going to take you to the Superbowl, he must have the ability to adjust to a breakdown in protection. Dallas fans are spoiled because of the offensive line in the early 90's. What you have to realize is that we will never have that type of OL ever again. It was just an abberration at the time because we had guys who were over 300 lbs and the rest of the league had not yet caught on so Troy Aikman had a a ridiculous amount of time in the pocket. That's never going to happen.

 

[Zman5]

No I'm not surprised. I've posted the following in another thread.

People forget that this offense was supposed to feature Julius Jones and not Bledsoe.
Bledsoe wasn't supposed to and can't win games all by himself. He isn't Favre or D. McNabb.

When we got him the expectation was that Bledsoe can win us games as long as we protect him and have a good running game. We haven't been doing either lately and it's affecting Bledsoe's performance.

I can't blame Bledsoe for this because he is what he is and what I expected him to be based on what was said about him when we got him.

If anything, I blame Parcells for neglecting the OL situation during the offseason. Knowing how much Bledsoe needed to be protected, how can he start the season with only 3 OTs on the roster. And one is a rookie and one is a UDFA second year player who had issues last year. That just boggles my mind.

At the minimum we should have signed a solid(not expecting great) vet starter at RT and have Petitti and Tucker as backups.

 

[jman]

Watch the game again before you absolve Bledsoe of blame. There were open receivers off the snap of the ball, while Bledsoe was assuming the fetal position 3 yards behind the LOS.

There are good-not-great NFL QB's that would've picked that secondary apart yesterday.

Yep...that's what usually happens when you get about 2 seconds to throw the ball. And with the way the O-line played yesterday, I'm suprised he had enough time to get three yards back by the time he was being surrounded by the entire Giant defensive line.

 

[jobberone]

Read my sig line.

This teams playoff and esp SB aspirations were long shots at the start of the season.

The loss of our "starting RT" in TC hurt bad and placed poor Rob in a can't win situation. Those of you who think Rob is going to shut out Strahan two games in a row and esp in a game like Sunday's...at home and a long way saying who wins the division....are just dreaming. He's done as well as could be expected.

Then the loss of Flo forcing Tucker to start basically killed this offense. Bill had to shut down the offense and provide max protection which inherently causes its own offensive problems by creating a very conservative and easy to play offense.

What some are overlooking is that despite the absense of Henry and a very inexperienced LB core this team is holding up very well on the defensive side of the ball. And that is keeping us in games including the very conservative play mistake free and get field position and hope things go your way vanilla offense.

Two games ago Bill was a genius and we were going to the SB.

Then the team loses a game to one of the better teams in the league because of a missed FG basically. And the doubters came out.

Then we played the Giants who are a very good football team basically even steven except for the first play of the second half on their home field.

So we aren't one of the better teams in the league but we can play with most anyone and still have a chance to turn things around if the OL will gel and we can start running the ball. A few long runs and some big plays with 8-9 in the box and we will force people to play us more honestly.

That's a round about way to answer the starter of the thread but it ain't Bledsoe that's the problem. No QB plays well in situations we are putting him in.

And it's not the HCs fault. Just too many injuries to a young team with too many unanswered questions coming off last season.

 

[Trip]

Then the loss of Flo forcing Tucker to start basically killed this offense. Bill had to shut down the offense and provide max protection which inherently causes its own offensive problems by creating a very conservative and easy to play offense.

Just had to, huh?

You would think... that if we can put more receivers in the route than the opponent can cover.... since they are blitzing.... that we could rely on our pro bowl QB and pro bowl TE and pro bowl receivers to make some quick decisions and ultimately PLAYS, instead of putting pressure on everyone, the line to hold up, the qb to find that one open receiver out of two in the route, and the couple of receivers to get open. That's how good offenses and good offensive coaches do it. It's just not how the Giants in the 80's did it.

Maybe our QB is not capable of making quick decisions, and maybe our playmakers aren't capable of making plays in a timing offense to beat the blitz, but I'd like to find out.

What's just as amazing is that he has everyone convinced that he just has to shut down the offense and max protect, and it's only through tremendous coaching knowledge and ingenuity that we're able to keep these games close.

 

[NorTex]

This shouldn't have been a surprise for anyone. Parcells has been saying since the day we signed Bledsoe, that we need to give him time to throw...he needs a "clean" pocket.

 

[TunaFan33]

Some of you were expecting it. Some weren't. I'm wondering just how many people are surprised how bad Drew plays with no O-Line.

Were you surprised when Tom Brady threw 4 INTs against a porous KC D with a rookie-fest OL?

Are you surprised Eli performs poorly with that piss-poor Giant OL?

 

[Kilyin]

Were you surprised when Tom Brady threw 4 INTs against a porous KC D with a rookie-fest OL?

Are you surprised Eli performs poorly with that piss-poor Giant OL?

That rookie OL has kept NE's season alive if you truly believe it all starts in the trenches.

The Giants don't have a bad OL. Seattle was an anomaly road game and the noise caused all the penalties. Eli was on a roll until he met the Dallas defense. His play had improved in recent games. Hell, I saw people on this board annointing him as the next Peyton and saying they'd love to have him in Dallas. People are saying he's "regressed" now because our defense shut him down.

 

[TunaFan33]

That rookie OL has kept NE's season alive if you truly believe it all starts in the trenches.

The Giants don't have a bad OL. Seattle was an anomaly road game and the noise caused all the penalties. Eli was on a roll until he met the Dallas defense. His play had improved in recent games. Hell, I saw people on this board annointing him as the next Peyton and saying they'd love to have him in Dallas. People are saying he's "regressed" now because our defense shut him down.

Not really-it wasn't like our OL had alot of penalties when we went up there. The Gints' OL has been penalty prone this year-a big surprise for a Coughlin team-they were just as bad in the Moonisota game too.

 

[Kilyin]

Not really-it wasn't like our OL had alot of penalties when we went up there. The Gints' OL has been penalty prone this year-a big surprise for a Coughlin team-they were just as bad in the Moonisota game too.

Giants OL allowed Eli to pass for 344 yards and Tiki Barber to rush for 151 against Seattle. I'll take that any day.

 

[TunaFan33]

Giants OL allowed Eli to pass for 344 yards and Tiki Barber to rush for 151 against Seattle. I'll take that any day.

True-remember however, WE had tons of rushing yards galore up there too-and this despite our poor run-blocking.

 

[Ashwynn]

Here's a question for you: Is a QB an elite QB, if it takes elite lineman and elite playmakers around him to make him elite?

Ask Aikman!

 

[rcaldw]

Meant to make this a Poll. Anyhow, I'm not surprised. There is no excuse to have Drew and no O-Line. Tuna should know better.

Of course it takes 11 guys on offense for anyone on that offense to play well. Football is the ultimate team sport. But it amazes me how you want to talk about Drew's 43,000 yards as if it speaks of Drew, and then talk about his horrible game yesterday as if it had NOTHING to do with Drew.

Over a 13 year career, you are what you are. Drew Bledsoe is what he is. A very good QB, not an elite one, in my opinion. He was put into offenses where they threw the ball alot and that is the truth of it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Are you surprised by how bad Drew is with no-O-Line?

No. No QB would succeed without a lline. This isn't all on Drew.

 

[vicjagger]

Fine QB performance last Sunday (better than Alex Smith):

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5140700

 

[jobberone]

Just had to, huh?

You would think... that if we can put more receivers in the route than the opponent can cover.... since they are blitzing.... that we could rely on our pro bowl QB and pro bowl TE and pro bowl receivers to make some quick decisions and ultimately PLAYS, instead of putting pressure on everyone, the line to hold up, the qb to find that one open receiver out of two in the route, and the couple of receivers to get open. That's how good offenses and good offensive coaches do it. It's just not how the Giants in the 80's did it.

Maybe our QB is not capable of making quick decisions, and maybe our playmakers aren't capable of making plays in a timing offense to beat the blitz, but I'd like to find out.

What's just as amazing is that he has everyone convinced that he just has to shut down the offense and max protect, and it's only through tremendous coaching knowledge and ingenuity that we're able to keep these games close.

Well when your OTs can't keep people off Bledsoe, one center is over matched and the other doesn't make the right reads and calls so overall we can't give Bledsoe the time to throw the ball to anyone in any formation then you have what we have.

You put people in to protect and you only have 2 receivers out maybe three if the TE can sneak out or the RB can release. That gives Bledsoe really no one to throw to because the other team is getting to Bledsoe with 4-5 people and keeping double coverage back. So no one to throw to so he gets sacked, fumbles the ball, trys to throw into double coverage to get something happening or makes 1-2 yds running.

You put 3-4 WR sets out with Bledsoe maybe having a small RB or an HB for help and with this OL he gets killed and has no time to throw. He will have no time to make his reads and get sacked or worse hurt.

YOU CANT THROW THE BALL UNLESS RECEIVERS ARE OUT AND OPEN AND THE QB HAS TIME TO MAKE HIS READS AND THROW THE BALL TO THE PERSON THE DEFENSE IS GIVING US.

First time I've ever yelled on this forum. But this very basic fact seems to fall on deaf ears. No QB can throw the ball with people in his face, wrapped around him, the pocket collapsing, and no one open. No one.

You have to have an OL that can protect the passer and run the ball even three yds a play to keep them honest. Throw the occasional long ball to put the fear of God in the safeties and CBs. Beat the blitz enough to make them play honest to gosh defense.

Right now any team with either a good front four or someone able to blitz and cover can probably beat us although we will probably be in the game at the end.

Bledsoe was putting up career numbers, people were talking Pro Bowl and best year ever, and now he sux. He hasn't changed. People know how to beat us now and we can't stop it.

 

[TunaFan33]

Bledsoe(even hearing his name) just gives me the jitters.

But it's really funny how the Buffalo-bashers will come out in full force every time he stinks up the joint. Why? 'Cuz they're sore over their Bills wasting a goldmine over a POS QB. Too bad they didn't research into Losman before they acted too.

Even if Bledsoe is outperformed by Alex Smith and Kyle Orton for the remainder of the season-the Bills will go through that QC/Hutch/Vinny QB musical chairs over the next several years, and they're already feeling the sting.

 

[Zaxor]

Here's a question for you: Is a QB an elite QB, if it takes elite lineman and elite playmakers around him to make him elite?

If we are talking about Aikman than he would have been elite regardless

If we are talking about Bledsoe you could call out the 82nd airborne and 101 Screaming Eagles and the 1st armored Calv. div for use as teammates and you will still have just a Bledsoe...I hoped that answered your question