Arlen Specter - You da man. (Cheatriots)

[Nors]

The NFL is in bed with Corporate America and tacitly knows that Gambling both legal and illegal drives viewership and ratings/interest/$$$$.

They are running a business.

 

[tyke1doe]

Is this really your explanation? After screaming for the better part of two weeks that the league's destruction of these tapes is irrelevant??

Thanks for taking my argument out of context.

My point was that it was irrelevant because we already know that the Patriots cheated. Therefore, what purpose would the tapes serve beyond the knowledge that we already have?

Yes, they've been so transparent and forthcoming with information

But you do understand the difference don't you?

Injury reports reflect ongoing issues. Therefore, there is a need to be transparent and forthcoming with that information.

The tapes reflect a past situation, i.e., signals that the Pats taped during a game. The tapes tell us nothing more than they cheated for those games.

And it's not like you were going to have access to those tapes, unlike the injury report which is made public.

Please, counselor. If anyone I expect to understand context and nuances, it would be you.

 

[theogt]

let's give it up for the Justice League

Justice Man (superpunk), Righteous Boy (theogt), and Lawyer Might (peplaw06)

I prefer Righteous Dude.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If anyone I expect to understand context and nuances, it would be you.

Lawyer Might can't even read a contract

hell, he even compared Goodell to Mike Nifong, for crying out loud

what was that quote again, Lawyer Might, about when a good man does nothing? lol

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I prefer Righteous Dude.

I've been so advised, then

you seen that DiGiorno Pizza commercial w/ Tracey Morgan? that dude is ****ing hilarious, that voice is so funny

 

[Rack]

Shirley, Donna, you have more information and a stronger link than just offering the injury report as an example of the NFL encouraging betting?

I do have more evidence.

And don't call me Shirley... or Donna.

 

[tyke1doe]

I do have more evidence.

And don't call me Shirley... or Donna.

Then don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Or did you forget you called me ... Nancy?

But, yes, I would like for you to provide more evidence that the NFL encourages betting.

Maybe I'll change my mind if I find the evidence strong enough.

 

[peplaw06]

Thanks for taking my argument out of context.

My point was that it was irrelevant because we already know that the Patriots cheated. Therefore, what purpose would the tapes serve beyond the knowledge that we already have?

What knowledge is that? That they cheated? Do you know to what extent they cheated? Puhlease.

But you do understand the difference don't you?

Injury reports reflect ongoing issues. Therefore, there is a need to be transparent and forthcoming with that information.

The tapes reflect a past situation, i.e., signals that the Pats taped during a game. The tapes tell us nothing more than they cheated for those games.

And it's not like you were going to have access to those tapes, unlike the injury report which is made public.

Please, counselor. If anyone I expect to understand context and nuances, it would be you.

IMO it is an ongoing situation. Gee that bolding tool really works wonders. Just because the league swept it under the rug, doesn't mean it's not ongoing.

If that's the only excuse you can think of, then you need to do some more work.

And I fully believe that those tapes would have been leaked, especially in today's society where you can get Michael Vick's 20 page indictment online. For someone who works in journalism, you'd think that you would be a big proponent of the publication of as much information as possible. Y'know, all that FOIA stuff.

Lawyer Might can't even read a contract

hell, he even compared Goodell w/ Mike Nifong, for crying out loud

what was that quote again, Lawyer Might, about when a good man does nothing? lol

If I were a big of a wanna be as you, I would off myself.

Shall we get into your criminal history again?

 

[2233boys]

I didn't go on. I merely stated that I thought it was a bad analogy. You challenged my description, hence, here we are.



No, there is not.

If the CIA destroys tapes and it becomes a matter of investigation, it is because Congress is looking into whether the CIA violated any constitutional laws.

The NFL destroying tapes doesn't come any where close to a violation of constitutional law.

And since we know that private companies shred documents all the time, it is an inappropriate analogy because it presents an image that is false, namely what the CIA did and what the NFL did is analogous.

That's wrong on so many fronts it's ridiculous.



Of course, you don't. You appear to be simple-minded in this situation.

There are nuances in life, whether you like them or not. Two situations may appear to be the same, but they are totally different.

And to not recognize the differences is to be simplistic in one's understanding of the issue at hand.



Police have a "right" to stop me even if I'm not breaking the law.

There is a "right" that comes with the authority.

Second, Specter has a "right" to call an inquiry as a senator. I don't know if he has the "right" to call one here. I'll listen and read forthcoming legal commentaries and editorials to determine whether he's within his "right" to do so.

Great post.

 

[superpunk]

let's give it up for the Justice League

Justice Man (superpunk), Righteous Boy (theogt), and Lawyer Might (peplaw06)

At least this is better than your previous post, where you quoted me and then made some completely nonsensical, misdirected response.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

IMO it is an ongoing situation. Gee that bolding tool really works wonders. Just because the league swept it under the rug, doesn't mean it's not ongoing.

you don't know what ongoing is, do you?

that means, CURRENTLY

do you have proof that the Pats are currently cheating as we speak?

once you hand down a sentence, the case is usually closed, which Goodell did

another key point of lawyering that you obviously fail at

 

[peplaw06]

you don't know what ongoing is, do you?

that means, CURRENTLY

do you have proof that the Pats are currently cheating as we speak?

once you hand down a sentence, the case is usually closed, which Goodell did

another key point of lawyering that you obviously fail at

Is your probation currently ongoing??

Ever heard of an appeal, ever heard of checks and balances, ever heard of judicial oversight?

No?

I'm not surprised.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

At least this is better than your previous post, where you quoted me and then made some completely nonsensical, misdirected response.

I just love it when people do this, like it means anything, mistakes are made, which is why we have an edit feature

but my point still stands anyways, tyke1doe didn't reveal what side he was on w/ that statement, it was a simple observation that he made

you just decided to launch into him anyways

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Is your probation currently ongoing??

nope, my 2nd DUI I only received 1 day of pro-b

Ever heard of an appeal, ever heard of checks and balances, ever heard of judicial oversight?

No?

I'm not surprised.

how does an appeal factor in here? checks and balances? judicial oversight? wow, you even fail at mis-direction

a sentence was handed down, the tapes were taken away, there is no ongoing issue here

unless you have proof that the pats are currently cheating

do you? nope, thought so

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Justice League

to the Hooptie!

 

[peplaw06]

nope, my 2nd DUI I only received 1 day of pro-b

Well good for you. 2 DUIs and you're only 12? Off to a great start.

how does an appeal factor in here? checks and balances? judicial oversight?

a sentence was handed down, there is no ongoing issue here

unless you have proof that the pats are currently cheating

do you?

The point is the pronouncement of a sentence isn't the end of the story. Especially when the sentence is handed down after 3 days of a "investigation" where the evidence is destroyed. It smacks of a conspiracy or a cover up. But it's easy to explain why you feel this way... when Daddy Goodell's reputation is at stake, you're always there to give him a virtual hug.

I'd love to stay here all night on a Friday while punk, theo and I are the Alan Dershowitz to your Vin Deisel, but there's drinking to be done and girls to be hit on.

Holla.

 

[superpunk]

Well good for you. 2 DUIs and you're only 12? Off to a great start.

rofl...

but there's drinking to be done and girls to be hit on.

And taxes to be filed.

That's how I roll.

 

[tyke1doe]

What knowledge is that? That they cheated? Do you know to what extent they cheated? Puhlease.

Here is what Goodell said:

Commissioner Roger Goodell said the NFL destroyed six tapes in the Spygate investigation. Some were from the 2007 exhibition season. Some were from late in the 2006 season, he said. The league also collected notes that may or may not have been gathered in violation of NFL rules, Goodell said. These were also destroyed.

"We felt that was appropriate since we could not determine" how the notes were collected. I'm sure Sen. Arlen Specter will have some additional questions. The league said it didn't receive his letters demanding elaboration until quite recently. "There was no indication that it benefited them in any of the Super Bowl victories," Goodell said. "I'm not sure there is a coach in the league that doesn't expect that their signals are being intercepted by some way by opposing teams. That is why they go to the great lengths (to conceal signals)."

Why destroy the tapes? "It was the best way to make sure the Patriots followed my instructions. I wanted to make sure that bit of information did not appear, that if it did, (the league knew) they did not hand over all the inforamtion. They certified in writing" that all evidence had been handed over to the league.

Goodell's comments confirm my arguments in earlier threads. Those being:

1. There was no way it could be determined that the Pats won Super Bowls - or games for that matter - by cheating. Yes, it can be determined that they cheated, hence the punishment. But

2. The reason they were destroyed was to send a clear message that not only would video taping not be tolerated but that the Patriots should not benefit from any tapes already made.

Be that as it may, apparently, the tapes in question were simply from the last part of the 2006 season and the exhibition season of 2007.
Forget the exhibition season. Teams run vanilla offenses anyway. As for the later part of the 2006 season, exactly what would they tell us, Pepe?

Create a worse-case scenario for me, if you don't mind.

IMO it is an ongoing situation. Gee that bolding tool really works wonders. Just because the league swept it under the rug, doesn't mean it's not ongoing.

I'm glad you discovered the bolding function. It really adds umph! to your point doesn't it?

Second, sorry, counselor, but it's not the same. You're comparing an active issue that occurs weekly, i.e., injuries in the NFL, to an inactive issue - illegal video taping, assuming no one is still doing it - that has legs only because people are upset that Goodell ordered the tapes destroyed.

It wouldn't make any difference whether fans oppose the release of injury reports. Players are getting injured and the NFL sees that it's in its best interest to publish those reports. But what makes this situation an "active" one is not that teams are still filming illegally, but that fans don't like the fact that Goodell ordered the tapes destroyed.

They're simply not the same issues.

And I fully believe that those tapes would have been leaked, especially in today's society where you can get Michael Vick's 20 page indictment online.

And Goodell ordered them destroyed because, from my understanding, Jay Glazer got a copy of one. That is why Goodell felt justified in having them destroyed.

 

[wahoofan22]

I've always thought that the commish handled this whole thing in a pretty weak way. He should have been more up front with what was found. Spector should leave well enough alone - it's done with.

I will say that the common argument is that 'everyone is doing it', but no one else had been caught - and the incredible success of the Pats does make you wonder if they were doing anything on the sly.

I've always thought that if they did cheat, does anyone really think that's all they did and they didn't have anything else in their library of tapes? Maybe, maybe not. Bottom line is they were caught and it will be fodder for criticism of that orginization for anyone who wants it. It is pretty ironic that the team going for the best record in NFL history has this hanging around and there has been basically no additional information uncovered. Who knows.

I, for one, would love to know the entire story, as long as it was handled by the league.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well good for you. 2 DUIs and you're only 12? Off to a great start.

she likes 'em young

yes, I lied about my age, but that was the only way

The point is the pronouncement of a sentence isn't the end of the story. Especially when the sentence is handed down after 3 days of a "investigation" where the evidence is destroyed. It smacks of a conspiracy or a cover up. But it's easy to explain why you feel this way... when Daddy Goodell's reputation is at stake, you're always there to give him a virtual hug.

Goodell fined Belicheat a substantial amount of money, and took away a 1st round pick

what exactly is he trying to hide?

what ongoing issue do we have here?

take off the tin-foil cap

I'd love to stay here all night on a Friday while punk, theo and I are the Alan Dershowitz to your Vin Deisel, but there's drinking to be done, girls to be hit on and jacks to wack

Holla.

yeah, you do need 2 people to take me

too bad though that they didn't catch your fall after this brutal assault on your argument, I'm going out myself in a 'lil while

gotta be at the Motel 8 in a few