Art Briles

[Risen Star]

I agree with you about the culture with parcells but that is exactly the point. By being a spineless jellyfish Garrett contributes to the problem. Jerry can sell to the willing-to-be-fooled fans that he has a "football guy" in place who has authority and is moving the team jn the right direction while nothing could be further from the truth. IMHO, while Jerry is the root cause of the problem, Garrett contributes to it as well .

Garrett didn't have the resume of Bill Parcells to have any leverage in negotiations when he was hired.

Rather than blame a first time head coach who just wanted a chance to coach the Cowboys, I'll instead lay all the blame, every. last. drop. of. it, on the owner of this team. It's because of him, and only him, that we have to deal with all this nonsense.

Garrett is the symptom. Jerry is the disease.

 

[CCBoy]

If you're unaware of the power shift during the Parcells years and Jerry's "concessions" to get him here, I don't know what to tell you. He even gleefully announced "Parcells way didn't work" and went back to the puppet coaches and the current lunacy we see today.

Odds are Garrett is far from a Parcells but he definitely doesn't have the same set of circumstances in Dallas as Bill had.

Point of order, one doesn't slam a person and make a point at the same time. A discussion implies establishing a standard and then, upon discussion of that element, arriving at a judgment that involves characters in the discussion.

To do this first, one uses a first person or third person reference in a statement. A you is not added until the other participant comments upon the item(s) in discussion...not personality involved. Even a fool has his own story...(coughing)

 

[jterrell]

It magically puts us in a better position to find the right coach.

If your head coach doesn't command his own locker room, if the buck doesn't stop there for the players, you can not win. Until that's the case in Valley Ranch you will keep seeing failure.

So, yes, the first step is the lunatic owner stepping back and hiring a head coach he will give power too. Ya know, like a sane individual would do. Then it comes down to whether that coach can overcome a weak personnel department led by two frauds and can massage Jerry's ego while he remakes the team is his image as much as possible in those circumstances.

No, it doesn't change much if anything.
Jerry's main adviser and a guy who has overruled Jerry many times would be in charge: Stephen Jones.
Stephen would retain all real football power and have McClay as his second.
While we don't know who he'd hire he has the same ties as Jerry to coaches and advisers.

If we really had a power shift it would be form someone not currently associated with the team taking over.

 

[CCBoy]

Garrett didn't have the resume of Bill Parcells to have any leverage in negotiations when he was hired.

Rather than blame a first time head coach who just wanted a chance to coach the Cowboys, I'll instead lay all the blame, every. last. drop. of. it, on the owner of this team. It's because of him, and only him, that we have to deal with all this nonsense.

Garrett is the symptom. Jerry is the disease.

Item in reference....job description, again, not convenience of personality.

 

[visionary]

Garrett is the symptom. Jerry is the disease.

Can't disagree with this

 

[Zordon]

Jerry doesn't make those concessions unless he's backed into a corner.

He needed the stadium, so you conceded with Parcells.

So what is going to make him concede now? The answer is fan apathy.

Jerry has said he is content with putting on a great show, win or loss. As long as there's entertainment and the attention is on him and his team, he's fine.

I think if the games continue to be blowouts like last week and fan interest decreases then you're going to have very nervous jerry jones.

Trust me, the red jerseys at the stadium last week were noticed by everyone in the Jones brass. It's going to be just as bad for the Saints and Texans game. As much as we say they only care about 'green', they know that it is not good for long term business to have your fans feeling like visitors in their own homes.

Remember in the OTL piece, Jerry mentioned JFF providing the Cowboys 10 years of relevancy. I think he senses the relevancy and grip on the state is shrinking for this franchise. Those of you who don't live in Texas, I'm telling you guys the Houston Texans are one dynamic QB away from digging deep into Jerry's market share. Jerry senses it, I mean how can you ignore the evidence. We're no longer tops in merchandise and jersey sales, local tv ratings are down, and fans continue to invade our stadium. This is a recipe for 2003 all over again guys. Trust me it's coming.

 

[CCBoy]

In the days of early money in the State of Texas...business exploded first in Dallas, then Houston, and then...Austin.

 

[Risen Star]

No, it doesn't change much if anything.
Jerry's main adviser and a guy who has overruled Jerry many times would be in charge: Stephen Jones.
Stephen would retain all real football power and have McClay as his second.
While we don't know who he'd hire he has the same ties as Jerry to coaches and advisers.

If we really had a power shift it would be form someone not currently associated with the team taking over.

Sure it does. Just like it worked with Parcells. We went from laughing stock to a legit playoff contender. That wouldn't have happened under the Campo structure before and after him.

We're talking about having a head coach who is the be all and end all in the locker room. The voice and face of the team and with enough of a personnel eye to point Frick and Frack in the right direction acquiring players.

This is the best case scenario for the Dallas Cowboys while this owner is alive.

Actually. If you know anything about what's going on. The team has never improved under this current structure. It's only chipped away at a core built by a head coach with some authority and eventually led Dallas to debacle status.

We're well on our way again.

 

[IAmLegend]

Rather have Sumlin. He's younger, fresher, and is a player's coach. Guys love him.


But I'll take anything over Red at this point.

 

[jterrell]

Sure it does. Just like it worked with Parcells. We went from laughing stock to a legit playoff contender. That wouldn't have happened under the Campo structure before and after him.

Actually. If you know anything about what's going on. The team has never improved under this current structure. It's only chipped away at a core built by a head coach with some authority and eventually led Dallas to debacle status.

We're well on our way again.

not sure how you figure jerry walking away means we hire bill parcells (especially since jerry was the guy who both hired and fired him) but your logic has always puzzled me.

part of what i like to see when people whine is that they at least understand what happens next when they get their wish. follow the argument to its logical conclusion.

if you want the next parcells that is my argument not this mish mash of whining you are putting forth that changes nothing except which jones is in charge.
i've already stated we'd see more change if we hired harbaugh with associated authority then by jerry stepping down which does zero but free up a title for Stephen/McClay.

 

[Risen Star]

not sure how you figure jerry walking away means we hire bill parcells (especially since jerry was the guy who both hired and fired him) but your logic has always puzzled me.

part of what i like to see when people whine is that they at least understand what happens next when they get their wish. follow the argument to its logical conclusion.

if you want the next parcells that is my argument not this mish mash of whining you are putting forth that changes nothing except which jones is in charge.
i've already stated we'd see more change if we hired harbaugh with associated authority then by jerry stepping down which does zero but free up a title for Stephen/McClay.

What I want is a head coach who forces Jerry to make the same concessions he talked about making when he hired Bill Parcells. See, in order to land a coach like that you have to give him slightly more authority than Jason Garrett's current coffee runner status. Does anybody pay attention around here? Do you remember Jerry being the voice and face of the team during the Parcells years? You're lying if you do. It didn't happen. He had to respect his head coach again. Like he did with Jimmy.

Remember Jerry talking about "walking on egg shells"? That was what he meant. He had to treat his head coach like he was a position of authority. As a sane owner would. It was very uncomfortable for him.

Remember Parcells telling us "the culture had to change"? This is what he was talking about. If you're a player on this team the buck stops with me. Not the owner. This locker room is mine. It's the only way I can coach it.

I'm not asking Jerry to step down. I know he won't. I'll just continue to keep track of his age by the day in that regard. What I want is a fake GM who is less hands on than he is now. I want him back walking on egg shells. Because whenever Jerry has been uncomfortable that has only meant good things for the Cowboys. It's when he's comfortable, like with Garrett and Wade and Campo and Chan and Switzer, that the team gets completely driven into the dirt.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

What do you think about him as our next coach? The man is Texas and has said the only job he'd leave Baylor for is the Dallas Cowboys. Thoughts?

Don't mind that at all, he does visit valley ranch in the off season.