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I was in Port A 2 weeks ago fishing with some buddies. Great part of Texas. Wouldn't it be great to have a native Texan leading the Cowboys again?

There were two very large sharks caught off coast there about four weeks ago. Both in the 1100 pound area.
 

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The golden triangle is the Beaumont, Port Arthur and Orange area of southeast Texas.

I never realized that after all these years. My late Uncle, HC Black, was a coach at La Porte when they won state there.
 

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I think that's overdoing it a lot. Jerry's a problem, but that doesn't mean 8-8 is the best we can ever hope to do.

Again, it's funny that you never heard with Gailey or Campo or Phillips that Jerry made it absolutely impossible to have a good team. Most people just claimed that they stunk. Yet with Garrett it's that he's totally handcuffed by Jerry and no one could win here.

Maybe the answer is the simple one. Maybe Garrett just isn't very good.

Totally disagree and those that knew better were saying those coaches had no shot with the front office the way it was.

Garrett may stink but he has no chance to prove any differently working for this owner. If you can not control your own locker room as a head coach, you are set up to fail.
 

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So is there really no gold at Ft Knox?

Time to fess up...

One couldn't make it past the outside perimeter fence with all the alarms in that place...not even a mouse would make it out with even a remnant.
 

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One couldn't make it past the outside perimeter fence with all the alarms in that place...not even a mouse would make it out with even a remnant.

I have an uncle up there & he swears there is no gold there. Haha. I love conspiracy stories.

I volunteer to find out if there is or isn't. My price is one gold brick! :p
 

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Totally disagree and those that knew better were saying those coaches had no shot with the front office the way it was.

Garrett may stink but he has no chance to prove any differently working for this owner. If you can not control your own locker room as a head coach, you are set up to fail.

Sad and true. This organization and no HC will not have any type of sustained success with the front office structured as it is now. It is what it is unfortunately. I'm certainly not going to wish anything tragic to happen to Jerry and Stephen simply for the sake of a change in ownership. So as a lifelong Cowboys fan, i just accept the consistent mediocrity and enjoy the entertainment.
 

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Are u from the golden triangle?

I live in the Golden triangle in a little town called Nederland which is between Beaumont and Port Arthur. I work in Port Arthur and have to travel down Jimmie Johnson Blvd. daily.
 

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i think a jerry short list would include briles and les miles.
both guys jerry knows and likes.
les has actually worked for the team before.

harbaugh would probably be target 1 and harbaugh was about set to buffalo but they couldn't get compensation for sf worked out.
if harbaugh comes it would be with a fair amount of authority and i think jerry would consider that if he does have to punt on his chosen one.
 

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I was in Rome when there was restoration at the old Coliseum there. The location of the old Circus Maximus, where the chariot races were run, was still a dirt parking lot from the bombings during WWII.

If Dez becomes the next Dallas circus event, I'll just pass on future options on the whole property...
 

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Our next HC is probably already on our staff.
 

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Totally disagree and those that knew better were saying those coaches had no shot with the front office the way it was.

Garrett may stink but he has no chance to prove any differently working for this owner. If you can not control your own locker room as a head coach, you are set up to fail.

While this may be largely be true , Jerry was there when parcells was there so the a real HC can put together a dad more competitive team that we have seen in the last 3 years

Garrett is a significant part of the problem not an innocent bystander so others may turn a blind eye and conveniently blame Jerry for all the problems but it would be foolish and simplistic to do so
 

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While this may be largely be true , Jerry was there when parcells was there so the a real HC can put together a dad more competitive team that we have seen in the last 3 years

Garrett is a significant part of the problem not an innocent bystander so others may turn a blind eye and conveniently blame Jerry for all the problems but it would be foolish and simplistic to do so

I disagree that anyone is 'conveniently' blaming Jerry for all the problems. This is Jerry's team he makes the final decision on all roster moves, he decided fire Rob Ryan and to move back to the 4-3 defense.

It seems simplistic to blame Jerry, because it is simplistic. He is the GM, he hired Garrett in the first place.

Jerry is the problem. Jerry will continue to be the problem even if Garrett gets fired. Over the past twenty years of mediocrity ask yourself this;

What is the main constant on this team? Who makes the decisions (Hiring and firing)? Who runs the draft?

Is Garrett the answer to any of these questions.

I mean come on there are reports that Jerry is still taking advice from Larry Lacewell.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowb...l-on-monte-kiffin-best-hire-cowboys-ever-made

Do I think Garrett should have been hired after Wade was fired? No, but that ship has sailed, at this point Garrett has enough influence to steer Jerry better than any coach the Cowboys have had since Jimmy.

Garrett is a good coach, is he a great coach? I don't think so, but as the head coach does Garrett share some of the blame? Of course he does. How much of the blame is Garrett's though?

Here is what I do know; the main problem on this team is the front office.

Jerry is in charge of the front office... Jerry is the GM... It is Jerry's fault... simple.
 
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While this may be largely be true , Jerry was there when parcells was there so the a real HC can put together a dad more competitive team that we have seen in the last 3 years

Garrett is a significant part of the problem not an innocent bystander so others may turn a blind eye and conveniently blame Jerry for all the problems but it would be foolish and simplistic to do so

If you're unaware of the power shift during the Parcells years and Jerry's "concessions" to get him here, I don't know what to tell you. He even gleefully announced "Parcells way didn't work" and went back to the puppet coaches and the current lunacy we see today.

Odds are Garrett is far from a Parcells but he definitely doesn't have the same set of circumstances in Dallas as Bill had.
 

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Our next HC is probably already on our staff.

if you are talking about interim, then yes.
long term? Not at all likely.
jerry knows the team is both bad and needing to win back fans.
he'll make a splash because it's in his DNA and his salesman's heart.
 

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If you're unaware of the power shift during the Parcells years and Jerry's "concessions" to get him here, I don't know what to tell you. He even gleefully announced "Parcells way didn't work" and went back to the puppet coaches and the current lunacy we see today.

Odds are Garrett is far from a Parcells but he definitely doesn't have the same set of circumstances in Dallas as Bill had.

If you think Jerry stepping away magically makes this team better you are delusional.

We've been poorly coached and had cap issues for the past 3-4 years.
The people who advise Jerry would be the ones in charge if he did take over and they likely make the same decisions he has been making.

Jerry is not some evil dictator bending others to his will.
He is a consensus guy that gets too much advisement and then makes the decision that is most popular. --which is just as bad as dictating.

Jerry has to take the blame because he owned that. But unfortunately we need an organizational overhaul to really see change.
The best way to see that is if Jerry is desperate enough to go power coach 3.0.
 

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If you're unaware of the power shift during the Parcells years and Jerry's "concessions" to get him here, I don't know what to tell you. He even gleefully announced "Parcells way didn't work" and went back to the puppet coaches and the current lunacy we see today.

Odds are Garrett is far from a Parcells but he definitely doesn't have the same set of circumstances in Dallas as Bill had.

I agree with you about the culture with parcells but that is exactly the point. By being a spineless jellyfish Garrett contributes to the problem. Jerry can sell to the willing-to-be-fooled fans that he has a "football guy" in place who has authority and is moving the team jn the right direction while nothing could be further from the truth. IMHO, while Jerry is the root cause of the problem, but Garrett contributes to it as well .
 
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If you think Jerry stepping away magically makes this team better you are delusional.

We've been poorly coached and had cap issues for the past 3-4 years.
The people who advise Jerry would be the ones in charge if he did take over and they likely make the same decisions he has been making.

Jerry is not some evil dictator bending others to his will.
He is a consensus guy that gets too much advisement and then makes the decision that is most popular. --which is just as bad as dictating.

Jerry has to take the blame because he owned that. But unfortunately we need an organizational overhaul to really see change.
The best way to see that is if Jerry is desperate enough to go power coach 3.0.

It magically puts us in a better position to find the right coach.

If your head coach doesn't command his own locker room, if the buck doesn't stop there for the players, you can not win. Until that's the case in Valley Ranch you will keep seeing failure.

So, yes, the first step is the lunatic owner stepping back and hiring a head coach he will give power too. Ya know, like a sane individual would do. Then it comes down to whether that coach can overcome a weak personnel department led by two frauds and can massage Jerry's ego while he remakes the team is his image as much as possible in those circumstances.
 
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