Article about Extreme Skins (funny)

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silverbear said:
Jawohl, herr Ubersturmfuehrer...

Sieg heil, y'all...

Seriously, is that the most outrageous abuse of moderatorial powers you guys have ever seen, or what?? Even more comical is the way other mods in there rushed to ban folks who called him out for his blatant fascism... their rule about how nobody is allowed to dispute a moderator is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen...

And that's coming from a guy who has been a moderator on a couple-three boards... yeah, every time I took some action I heard about it from any number of folks who disagreed with me; so what?? If I'm not willing to justify my actions (or worse, not ABLE to justify my actions), there's something wrong...

The best way you can ensure that somebody in power doesn't abuse that power is to make him answerable for his actions... failing to do so lets junior grade ***** like Art get away with crap like we saw in that thread...

Art could have chosen to post the information he wanted to see posted his own self, as a rebuttal to fpickering's offensive opinions (offensive to Art, that is, I happen to agree that Manuel was a curious pick at that point), but instead he chose to get confrontational, in a way that he pretty much knew no man would respond positively to-- you WILL do as I say, or I'll kick you out of here...

IOW, Art cynically manipulated the dialogue to ensure he could ban the guy he clearly wanted to "punish", while maintaining the illusion that he was trying to give the guy a chance...

Is there anybody reading this thread who would have done as Art demanded?? I rather doubt it...

What happened is clear, I think... Art read a lot of critical posts regarding the Skins' draft, from Skins fans, and he can't STAND to read negative comments about his team... and after a time, he just snapped, and leaned on fpickering as a way of venting his anger...

That's bad enough, but it was worse watching the other mods rally behind him... they should have been telling him to grow up...


And the funniest thing is, someone else comes by a page or two later and actually posts stuff from like 2-3 different sites that say the guy was a reach, and a mod immedietly replies with "3 day ban for you".

It's like.."Ok, you aren't allowed to make us look like the *******es we are, so you must be banned!"
 

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Yakuza Rich said:
Is there any reason for Art to brag about getting laid other than he's the football equivalent of middle age insecure Trekkie?


AsthmaField said:
:laugh2:

Ahh Rich... you made my day! That's freakin' funny.

Hostile said:
He's married too, so that makes it even worse.

Someone tell Art that these "women" don't count when bragging about how much you can get laid now.

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Game day, my effusive friends. Think I'll enjoy that instead of continuing to play move the cheese with you guys. Good news is, since you're all so clearly interested in this matter for intellectual purposes, I can share what a poster on ES wrote about McKenna's piece that frankly I don't think I could top anyway.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1744453&postcount=15

Columnist for the alternative newspaper The Washington City Pages, Mr. David McKenna, sees a threat to professional journalism emerging from Commanders team owner Dan Syder's acquisition of Extremeskins.com, a fan site for the his team.

Mr. McKenna is not the first professional journalist to see the internet's threat to professional journalism. Dan Rather has seen it. His producer, Ms. Mary Mapes, has seen it. Eason Jordan has seen it. Indeed, that this threat exists is no secret.

Mr. McKenna's basic theory is that Mr. Snyder has acquired certain media concerns and has produced some shows, and thus harmed journalism, because it enables him to control criticism and punish those who level it. His most recent acquisition of a fan site has only furthered this harm for two reasons. One, front office personel who may or may not have particpated in ribald exchanges on the fansite could taint the team's image. And, two, becuase Mr. Snyder gave press passes to the site administrators who, at times, write and act like fans.

What Mr. Mckenna does not understand are many, various and fundamental. Mr. Snyder is a businessman. He does not produce television shows and buy fan sites and magazines to bash the media and to sully profesional journalism. He does so to make money off his team's name. He makes money off his team's name by keeping the fans energized and interested in his team. Mr. McKenna might as well take the farce one step further and pen an article about how Dan Snyder's distribution of Commanders ponchos constitutes an alarming threat to the fashion industry.

But Mr. McKenna makes his biggest mistake when he blurs the lines between paychecks, ribald content, control and the demise of journalism. In his wrold, Mr. Snyder pays professional journalists to appear on his show. He therefore controls them. Journalism then suffers. Mr. Snyder buys a fan site and gives a press pass to a site adminstrator. Journalism suffers as a result. The fact that ribald content appears on the fan site is only more proof that journalism may be harmed.

Well, it is a theory. Let's apply it to Mr. McKenna's paper, The Washington City Pages. The Washington City Pages gets paid by its advertizers. If it is like any one of the many other free alternative papers published in every major city accross the United States, pronographers account for a substantial portion of it advertizing revenue. (I could provide links to The Washington City Pages' adult content, but many children post on this board and there is a ban on linking to pornographic content.) Are we to assume that Mr. McKenna is controlled by pronographers because they help pay his meal ticket? Are we to assume that his journalism is somehow subpar because of his link to pornography? Are we to assume that members of The Washington City Pages front office tarnish the paper's image by assisting pornographers in peddling thier smut?

Mr. McKenna's last mistake stems from arrogance. Back in the day, alternative weeklies were criticised by the mainstream outlets for thier lack of journalism professionalism. But these alternatives offered content consumers found valuable. So some major print media outlets adapted by adding thier own weekend sections as magazines catering to it more alternative minded readers. As Voltaire said, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. The weeklies got thier respect.

Mr. McKenna can recognize that journalism is changing and adapt. Or he can go the way of Dan Rather. The trite, condescending, and arrogant tone of his article should leave little doubt as to which road he has chosen.
 

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Om said:
Oh, stop. I care about what some people on CPND care about Art as much as you care what some people on DallasCowboysCentral think about some of your mods.

And they’re not “reports.” As Art calls them himself, they’re a lighthearted blog by a fan, nothing more.

That's fine and understandable... you don't care what other's think.

And I think we're all on the same page here because nobody will mistake that for journalism. But why would all you guys want to hear that Santana Moss just walked by Art? Surely, the players must be walking by a lot of people a lot of the time.

Oh well, to each their own.

Om said:
Nunyo’s a fine writer, but was an AWFUL beat reporter who made factual errors so often it became a joke among Commanders fans. After about a year of that, Art started a thread, mostly in jest, in which he thought it would be fun to track those errors. As the errors continued to pile
up---some large, some small, some simply unbelievable in their reflection of shoddy
reporting—that thread took on a life if its own.

Happily for both Nunyo AND Commanders fans, he’s now moved on the Sports Illustrated to do feature pieces. Most of us, Art included, think he’ll do well there. He’s pretty damn good when he has time to research and can better utilize his more florid narrative style. He was just a very poor fit in the daily grind beat role, and as a result, Commanders fans were treated to very poor reporting on their favorite team, on a daily basis, for a long time. Is it really that hard to understand why fans thought it worth talking about?

So what McKenna wrote is true then. Thanks for answering, even if it was in a round about way and florid in nature.

Om said:
No, McKenna didn’t say it was the “only” mistake, he simply failed to grasp what the Nunyo thread was all about, which was the incredible litany of errors, as noted above.

McKenna wrote: "Karl Swanson, the team’s senior vice president and top Snyder spokesperson, directed all visitors to the “Nunyo Files,” which was a running compendium on the site of alleged reporting mistakes by Nunyo Demasio, the Washington Post reporter who recently left the Skins beat for Sports Illustrated."

It seems like he grasped it pretty well to me.


Om said:
Don’t be disingenuous. I’m not “passing off” anything. I’m hoping a reasonable person might grasp how ridiculous turning what actually DID happen into Pressbox Gate actually is. Should they have “cheered” for 15 seconds.” Probably not, in a perfect world. Shame on them. But for anyone to buy into McKenna’s spin as fed him by Elfin, and try to make this into more than it was—an isolated, mildly protocol-breaking 15 seconds---is just plain silly.

Yes, they “cheered”—for all of about 15 seconds. In a Press Box in a stadium with tens of thousands of other people reacting viscerally as well, INCLUDING some in the very same Press Box (did you happen to catch that in your reading?).

I see that what they did in the press box isn't that bad. I do. But if the unwritten rule in the press box is that there is no cheering, I would be aware of that and abide by it.

What McKenna wrote is factually correct, also.

Om said:
I’m enlightened that way.

You enlightened enough to admit The Streak was one, too? :)

Absolutely. We got lucky in a few of those games and had no busuness coming out on the winning side. I never got too excited about that streak.

The difference between that and what skins fans are saying about this year's matchup is that I didn't think it made us a good team by beating Washington... Everyone in Skinsville thinks they're now automatic contenders,instead of lucky, which is what they are.



Om said:
So ... don’t believe a single thing Art says, but swallow McKenna’s piece hook, line and sinker?

Gotcha.

Why wouldn't it be that way? McKenna is a member of the media and Art is a nobody. Besides, I've seen Art skew the truth far too many times to ever believe a single word he writes, my dislike of him aside.



Om said:
Seriously? You still need me to lead you by the hand on this? Even with what I've written already, plus the ES thread and the context it provides for anyone actually looking beyond their blind disdain for certain individuals, plus the SJ threads that provide even more context?

Probably. But not tonight, it’s late and I’m crashing.


No, now I don't. You finally made it clear with this post that what McKenna wrote is true... You just disagree with what he's trying to say.

That being the case, you shouldn't go places and hint that the article isn't correct... you should just tell people that you don't see anything wrong with what ES is doing with their newfound privileges.
 

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Yawn, Asthma.

Read Chants piece above.

And good luck to your boys today.
 

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Om said:
Yawn, Asthma.

Read Chants piece above.

And good luck to your boys today.


It may bore you Om (and frankly, I can see why it does), but you came here acting like what McKenna wrote isn't true, when it is.

I had already read Chants piece... and *yawn* right back atcha. The internet contains more porn than could fit in 100,000 alternative newspapers. But then, that has very little to do with what you and I are talking about.

Anyway, I relent. You're 100% accurate. This is REALLY boring, and there's got to be better things for us to do than this. Besides, we've already said about all that could be said about the subject anyway.

Like I've said before, I think you're alright... it's other's there at ES and the site itself that I have problems with.

I realize my disdain for all that is ES is petty, and I really try to refrain... but sometimes I just can't, when I should.

So, I think I'll go watch some pre-game myself and see if San Fran can pull an upset. I won't say good luck to your team, because I'd like for them to lose, but I'll say that I hope you have a good day and enjoy a lot of good football.

Cheers.
 

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silverbear said:
I'm sure Juke would be happy to, all you have to do is tell him who your favorite Cowboy is... :D


Mind your own business. ;)
 

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parchy said:
I've been a fan of bunches of different teams in bunches of different situations that behoove opposing fans to absolutely rheem me because of my loud mouth and gaudy betting style, but no fan even comes close to being as obnoxious as the Extreme Skins poster. It's unbelievable to me that a decade of being in the gutter of the NFL wouldn't humble a fan base, but from the top down, there are some ridiculous people over there.
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We have many long-time fans of other teams on our board, who manage just fine. All we ask of them is the same thing we ask of Commanders fans. Follow the Rules. If you spent any time reading our board, rather than simply accepting what you hear, you would know that as well.
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