Article: Rogers has no appreciation of limits (recklessness of NFL players)

[BrAinPaiNt]

And theres nothing sexy about taking the accusation of a strippers at face value either.

And has the NFL done that yet.

I mean the way some think that Goodell can just do what ever he wants without rationalization This guy should already be suspended for a few games for this incident.

So why has he not been suspended already?

Is he waiting for due process within the NFL.

Is he going to be a rare example like Lofton you are so fond of bringing up while forgetting the far greater number of people sent to prison only to later be found innocent.

So...why has Goodell not already suspended this guy?

 

[Vintage]

And has the NFL done that yet.

I mean the way some think that Goodell can just do what ever he wants without rationalization This guy should already be suspended for a few games for this incident.

So why has he not been suspended already?

Is he waiting for due process within the NFL.

Is he going to be a rare example like Lofton you are so fond of bringing up while forgetting the far greater number of people sent to prison only to later be found innocent.

So...why has Goodell not already suspended this guy?

When did Fuzzy bring up Goodell in the reply?

I must have missed it.

 

[AbeBeta]

But like I said if he did it he deserves jail, because no one deserves to be fondled against their will.

If instead of Rogers this was just some drunk idiot who owned a mattress store, he'd likely just get tossed from the club and told not to come back. End of story.

Is Rogers getting punished MORE because of he has a higher profile than the mattress store guy?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

When did Fuzzy bring up Goodell in the reply?

I must have missed it.

It is a point that goes along with current arguments.

It does not have to apply to the exact post he was quoting.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Another story about another athlete finding himself in a situation that could have been avoided if he had only exercised a fraction of common sense. This isn't about guilt or innocence. This is about appreciating the limits of privilege.

Should be sent to every player in the NFL as a lesson they need to learn.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

And theres nothing sexy about taking the accusation of a strippers at face value either.

I don't know the strip club scene, but it amazes me that strippers lack credibility, particulary with the very audience who keeps them in business. Not you necessarily, Fuzzy. I'm just speaking in general. If these women are such scum of the earth (thus the apparent universal perception that they are liars), then why do guys flock to see them, besides the obvious T & A? There are respectable, good-looking women everywhere and some of them show a lot of skin too. It just amazes me that men patronize these places, then proceed to bash these women at every turn.

 

[Vintage]

It is a point that goes along with current arguments.

It does not have to apply to the exact post he was quoting.

No one brought up the NFL possibly suspending him. The only arguments going on in this thread where about an interpetation of one of my posts that I thought I was being overly sarcastic about.....and whether or not this kind of thing happens in strip clubs.

You just dropped that post out of the blue.


In which you quoted Fuzzy....

 

[joseephuss]

If instead of Rogers this was just some drunk idiot who owned a mattress store, he'd likely just get tossed from the club and told not to come back. End of story.

Is Rogers getting punished MORE because of he has a higher profile than the mattress store guy?

If all the mattress guy did was the groping, I agree. He would have been thrown out and nothing more would have happened. If the mattress guy had a gun, I bet the cops would have been called and the mattress guy would have spent a night in jail. That is if the stripper reported the incident to the bouncers at the time it occurred. Was Rogers reported the same night he did it or was it the next day? That can make a difference.

 

[WoodysGirl]

And theres nothing sexy about taking the accusation of a strippers at face value either.

Of course not. And I don't believe I've done that. In another post, I clearly put "alledgely" in it, because Rogers hasn't even been charged with anything.

BTW, no accusation should be taken at face value, no matter who made it. Right now, I'm looking at it with the same skepticism as I do the newest Henry accusation.

 

[Jay-D]

I would want to know how he even got back into the dressing rooms. He had to have been invited by somebody.

I have been a bouncer in a couple clubs and customers don't even get NEAR the dressing rooms.....let alone IN them.....no matter how big they are. Guys that big are usually pretty easy to choke out.

 

[WoodysGirl]

If all the mattress guy did was the groping, I agree. He would have been thrown out and nothing more would have happened. If the mattress guy had a gun, I bet the cops would have been called and the mattress guy would have spent a night in jail. That is if the stripper reported the incident to the bouncers at the time it occurred. Was Rogers reported the same night he did it or was it the next day? That can make a difference.

According to the story, it was reported the same night/early morning.

Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers is being investigated for sexual assault after a stripper accused him of entering her dressing room and forcibly groping her last week, authorities confirmed Monday.

The 20-year-old woman, who dances at the Secret City Players Den on Joy Road on the city's west side, complained to Detroit police Saturday about the Friday morning incident, police sources told The Detroit News.

Investigators have submitted a warrant request involving possible criminal sexual conduct charges, said Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for the Wayne County prosecutor. "That is being investigated at this time," she said without elaborating.

No decision on the case is expected until Wednesday at the soonest, Miller said, noting that prosecutors will be interviewing witnesses.

<snip>

The woman told police Rogers had a gun in his waistband, but did not say he pointed it at her, police said. Rogers had been drinking with friends, but it is unclear whether any teammates were with him, police said.

A firearm could pose several legal problems for Rogers. Guns are not permitted in bars in Michigan.

Also, depending on what is said and done, having a gun while committing another felony, such as a sexual assault, can lead to a felony firearm charge. That crime carries a mandatory two-year prison sentence that must be served in its entirety and cannot be served with any other sentence.

It is unclear whether Rogers has a license to carry a concealed weapon.

Rogers has discussed the matter with police at least once, but declined to discuss it Saturday afternoon when investigators approached him at Ford Field, police said.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070611/UPDATE/706110394/1126/SPORTS0101

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And has the NFL done that yet.

I mean the way some think that Goodell can just do what ever he wants without rationalization This guy should already be suspended for a few games for this incident.

So why has he not been suspended already?

Is he waiting for due process within the NFL.

Is he going to be a rare example like Lofton you are so fond of bringing up while forgetting the far greater number of people sent to prison only to later be found innocent.

So...why has Goodell not already suspended this guy?

i never said the league did.

And the Lofton example is exactly why its just fine for the league to wait a month or so before passing sentence. Its not as if they arent still going to be punished.

To me what your saying is akin to saying you shouldnt use a safety belt because accidentss are so rare that you probably wont need it.

There is zero harm for waiting for due process.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

i never said the league did.

And the Lofton example is exactly why its just fine for the league to wait a month or so before passing sentence. Its not as if they arent still going to be punished.

To me what your saying is akin to saying you shouldnt use a safety belt because accidentss are so rare that you probably wont need it.

There is zero harm for waiting for due process.

The ARE using due process within their business.

THAT is the point.

If Goodell and the league read an article or seen a news story that says Player A has been accused of beating up someone off the field. They don't automatically suspend that player without investigating the situation, giving the player a chance to talk to the commish.

Nor do they say they can not appeal the situation.

That is due process within the NFL.

We also have to remember these players signed the contracts that hold them accountable for their actions and they know they can be punished by the league for certain actions without having to go through a legal due process.

What you seem to want is the league to wait for the legal process to conclude before the commish can dole out league punishments and it is noted in the contract that players sign and the league rules that it is not required.

You do know that a player does not have to sign the contract if they don't agree with the rules and stipulations within it?

 

[Cochese]

He groped a stripper. This is news? Wow, slow times in Detoilet.

 

[jterrell]

The only problem I have with this article is the 'good old days syndrome' aspect.

20 years ago players went to strip clubs.
Players did stupid things.

Those things were considered off-limits for the media in most cases.

A player being seen with a woman not his wife? 20 years ago that would have never been reported or photographed.

I am all for punishing players for acting out of bounds.

I'd be all for the BP strip clubs are off-limits spiel to all players in the league.
But, this nonsense isn't really new.

What Rae Carruth did was new. It was awful and he should've gotten a trip to death row for it. But what these guys are doing is just random acts of stupidity player have always felt obliged to do and get away with.

A football player is an easy target and the kind of women/girls in strip clubs are often the kind who seek out those chances to make dollars in a settlement/book deal/news story sold or any other way.

Just ask Irvin, Big E et al Cowboys from the 90's.

 

[Idgit]

I don't know the strip club scene, but it amazes me that strippers lack credibility.....

This might have to go in my sig for a bit.

....particulary with the very audience who keeps them in business. Not you necessarily, Fuzzy. I'm just speaking in general. If these women are such scum of the earth (thus the apparent universal perception that they are liars), then why do guys flock to see them, besides the obvious T & A?

There's nothing beyond the obvious T&A. But then that's usually enough.

I guess I'm in the minority here that I find it *incredibly* distasteful to advocate suspending someone based on an allegation. Or that the acid test should be a dubious notion of 'the limits of privilege' rather than simply whether or not the player was doing something he's legally permitted to do. If it's not about guilt or innocence, then mark me down as uninterested.

Now, if the allegations can be proven, that's another story altogether.

 

[Hostile]

He groped a stripper. This is news? Wow, slow times in Detoilet.

First of all, there seems to be some evidence more than a grope happened.

Second of all, the fact she is a stripper should have no bearing on this at all. Would you be angry if it was a nurse? Waitress? Congresswoman? At what point do you draw the line on human worth of women?

 

[Cochese]

First of all, there seems to be some evidence more than a grope happened.

Second of all, the fact she is a stripper should have no bearing on this at all. Would you be angry if it was a nurse? Waitress? Congresswoman? At what point do you draw the line on human worth of women?

Strippers get groped, its an unfortunate part of the job. Guys who do the groping get thrown out, and thats the end of it.

 

[Hostile]

Strippers get groped, its an unfortunate part of the job. Guys who do the groping get thrown out, and thats the end of it.

So, she gets groped all the time (as an unfortunate part of her job), but files a complaint this one time because................


Do the freaking math.

 

[Cochese]

So, she gets groped all the time (as an unfortunate part of her job), but files a complaint this one time because................


Do the freaking math.

Because he is rich and famous?


Are you telling me that strippers dont get groped?