As a Cowboy fan, Romo is a choke, Garrett is not a good OC, period....

[dbair1967]

So TO has had only 11 uncatcheable balls thrown to him, genius? Wow.. You mean Romo has only forced 11 balls to TO during the year? And he was targetted 18 to 20 times against the Commanders alone, with how many catches?

Your stats, 'genius', are obviously ridiculous...

If the 88 times targeted is accurate, then the comp% on plays to Owens is higher than the teams total comp %, you said in your other post there were "so many misses"

Now that is more logical, 'genius'... save the sarcasm for somoebody else..

That number of 58 passes not caught would then make Owens argument that he's not targeted enough even more laughable now wouldnt it? If it were true, that would mean he's been targeted well over 100 times

 

[khiladi]

If the 88 times targeted is accurate, then the comp% on plays to Owens is higher than the teams total comp %, you said in your other post there were "so many misses"

And the point it, it obviously isn't accurate. It is flat-out ridiculous. That is why I made a point to knock those numbers. Who knows where that garbage came from. It isn't even logical at all.

That number of 58 passes not caught would then make Owens argument that he's not targeted enough even more laughable now wouldnt it? If it were true, that would mean he's been targeted well over 100 times

Which is the whole point? That was never the real argument of TO, it is the argument of the media. As he has said on multiple occasions, when he is being blamed for losing a step and so on and so forth and stats like yours are presented to him, "look at the game tape and analyze the film". TO has made it abundantly clear that what he means by getting the ball is when he is open. Hell, he even just said recently, get the ball to the man that is open, whether it is Crayton, Roy Williams or himself. He has also stated that he isn't being used in motion, where he has, throughout his career, been most successful.

 

[dbair1967]

And the point it, it obviously isn't accurate. It is flat-out ridiculous. That is why I made a point to knock those numbers. Who knows where that garbage came from. It isn't even logical at all.



Which is the whole point? That was never the real argument of TO, it is the argument of the media. As he has said on multiple occasions, when he is being blamed for losing a step and so on and so forth and stats like yours are presented to him, "look at the game tape and analyze the film". TO has made it abundantly clear that what he means by getting the ball is when he is open. Hell, he even just said recently, get the ball to the man that is open, whether it is Crayton, Roy Williams or himself. He has also stated that he isn't being used in motion, where he has, throughout his career, been most successful.

you cant have it both ways dude....the fact is no matter how you want to spin it that most games (not all) Owens is getting alot of passes thrown his way. Does Romo throw elsewhere on plays where Owens gets open? Yes, he does. It's been painfully obvious, but Romo has likewise missed alot of guys open and on a number of plays tried to get the ball to Owens and allow him to make plays, when he had other guys open that would have been easier throws.

 

[khiladi]

you cant have it both ways dude....the fact is no matter how you want to spin it that most games (not all) Owens is getting alot of passes thrown his way. Does Romo throw elsewhere on plays where Owens gets open? Yes, he does. It's been painfully obvious, but Romo has likewise missed alot of guys open and on a number of plays tried to get the ball to Owens and allow him to make plays, when he had other guys open that would have been easier throws.

My issue is that nobody is being used effectively in this offense. I don't really blame any of the players...

I see Garrett and TR always on the sidelines, with Garrett coaching Romo up, even after an INT. If other receivers are open, then you would expect TR to come back and hit them when they are open the very next series, arrett would point it out. TR is not a dumb guy. But it doesn't happen, which gives me every reason to believe that this problem is more on Garrett than anybody else...

Those passes that TR throws to TO seem a product of forcing it, because there is nothing there.

 

[dbair1967]

My issue is that nobody is being used effectively in this offense. I don't really blame any of the players...

Again dude, when Romo starts the team scores around 30 pts a game since Garrett got here, thats pretty damn good. There are inept offensive coaches out there, remember Dave Shula? Burce Coslet? Jack Reilly? Chan Gailey?

I see Garrett and TR always on the sidelines, with Garrett coaching Romo up, even after an INT.

Thats what most good offensive coordinators and/or QB coaches do

Those passes that TR throws to TO seem a product of forcing it, because there is nothing there.

So now you are saying on none of the passes that Romo throws to Owens (and that are completed) they were forced and he wasnt open? Make sense man.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

My issue is that nobody is being used effectively in this offense. I don't really blame any of the players...

I see Garrett and TR always on the sidelines, with Garrett coaching Romo up, even after an INT. If other receivers are open, then you would expect TR to come back and hit them when they are open the very next series, arrett would point it out. TR is not a dumb guy. But it doesn't happen, which gives me every reason to believe that this problem is more on Garrett than anybody else...

Those passes that TR throws to TO seem a product of forcing it, because there is nothing there.

Maybe Garrett is in on those secret meetings.

If owens is always doubled and RW isn't open and teams are taking away the out side like every one says, who does that leave open? Witten in the middle of the field right? So if that's the case and Romo still throws the ball to owens as much as he does what the heck is the problem?

 

[khiladi]

[Again dude, when Romo starts the team scores around 30 pts a game since Garrett got here, thats pretty damn good. There are inept offensive coaches out there, remember Dave Shula? Burce Coslet? Jack Reilly? Chan Gailey?

Because of Romo, not Garrett... This offense became a top 5 offense when Romo came in and Sparano was the coach, let alone Garrett. Romo makes inept coaches look pretty good.. Even against the 49 ers, this offense went, because Romo side-stepped pressure and TO was being single-covered most of the game. As soon as teams went back to doubling-Owens, the offense floundered. Any OC can take advantage of the situatin the 49ers presented.

Thats what most good offensive coordinators and/or QB coaches do

No, that is what all OCs do. Good OCs realize the problems that happened on those plays and take advantage of the oppurtunities that present themselves the next time around. If Crayton and RW are open, then why isn't Garrett telling TR to throw it to them when they are analyzing the film?

So now you are saying on none of the passes that Romo throws to Owens (and that are completed) they were forced and he wasnt open? Make sense man.

Huh? I said a general observation... How often to you see Romo trying to buy time with his feet to make a play? he is doing that why? This offense is out-of-sync as a whole, because of Garrett... Garrett's tunnel vision has created a tendency in this offense, Romo particularly, to key in on two targets, TO and Witten. Like I said, RW had that nice grab on the fade-route against Tampa Bay, and JG hasn't gone back to it again despite hacing plenty of oppurtunity.

 

[khiladi]

Maybe Garrett is in on those secret meetings.

If owens is always doubled and RW isn't open and teams are taking away the out side like every one says, who does that leave open? Witten in the middle of the field right? So if that's the case and Romo still throws the ball to owens as much as he does what the heck is the problem?

You mean Crayton isn't playing? The very man Aikman said was a better target than Witten on the last INT...

 

[Dave_in-NC]

You mean Crayton isn't playing? The very man Aikman said was a better target than Witten on the last INT...

You mean one play?

Who's the better target in your opinion?
Crayton or Witten? Who's the most reliable sure handed of the two?

I get the feeling you are going to say Crayton. I won't be surprised.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

As a Cowboys fan I'd like to be the first, or one of them anyway, to say you're worthless point was heard, filed away, and will soon be forgotten.

Why does your screen name make your post wreak of happiness over the current situation with our QB?

Sheesh... root for your team man.
I bought into Q for a little while... I screamed and yelled at the sports bar when he did well.

Shortly thereafter, I realized he wasnt any good. My point - I root for the guy on my team regardless of anything.

 

[khiladi]

You mean one play?

Who's the better target in your opinion?
Crayton or Witten? Who's the most reliable sure handed of the two?

I get the feeling you are going to say Crayton. I won't be surprised.

It depends on who is more open like in this instance. It is called percentage... Crayton is more sure-handed than Witten, if Witten is turned-around and can't see the ball coming...

 

[Dave_in-NC]

It depends on who is more open like in this instance. It is called percentage... Crayton is more sure-handed than Witten, if Witten is turned-around and can't see the ball coming...

You really think Crayton is more sure handed than Witten?
I would throw to an open Witten before an open Crayton.
And other than his mouth I like Crayton.

 

[khiladi]

You really think Crayton is more sure handed than Witten?
I would throw to an open Witten before an open Crayton.
And other than his mouth I like Crayton.

Like I said, it depends on the situation. An open Crayton, who is directly facing the QB is more sure-handed than a Witten, whose back is turned, I would think... It's only logical...

Remember, there were 3 WRs lined up on that side, and they were all potential targets in that situation... It wasn't like Crayton just got open free-lancing..

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Like I said, it depends on the situation. An open Crayton, who is directly facing the QB is more sure-handed than a Witten, whose back is turned, I would think... It's only logical...

Remember, there were 3 WRs lined up on that side, and they were all potential targets in that situation... It wasn't like Crayton just got open free-lancing..

LOL I get that, what I meant was them both being open in any game.
And both ready to get the ball.
Sorry.

 

[Clove]

Romo is the answer! Unfortunately we have too many chiefs! Once TO is gone next year....this team and Romo will look a whole lot different.

We have our new #1...RW....and I think Miles is going to be a fine #2.

It's the that time of the year.....you have to BELIEVE.

Problem is, they are here now and we can't get the ball to them. When TO went down last year, same problem.

However, I believe in Romo. I think he needs to come down to earth, where he used to be a nobody and hungry, we need to get him back to that, because his accuracy has gone out the window.

Garrett also needs to come down to earth. He's been crowned, now if he thinks his job and future are in jeapardy, he will get back to calling great games and getting everyone involved.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

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