Asante Samuel... in Dallas????

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JPM;1923382 said:
You need to read message boards more often then.

Sarcasm meter broken!

And there's a difference between hearing someone on a message board speculate and hearing that it's a real possibility. The closest we came was someone asking Wade if it would happen and Wade saying he didn't think so...
 

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ELDudearino;1923288 said:
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In the head lights with the rest of the deer...

Very Nice.

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Iago33;1923408 said:
Sarcasm meter broken!

And there's a difference between hearing someone on a message board speculate and hearing that it's a real possibility. The closest we came was someone asking Wade if it would happen and Wade saying he didn't think so...
He needed this.
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Not going to happen. He is going to be VERY expensive and I don't think you can deposit that much money in the secondary. (because you have to include Newman, Williams, Henry, and Hamlin)

Newman and Hamlin have new mega contracts coming up and we are already weighted down with Roy Williams contract. Our secondary would be eating a HUGE portion of our cap space. Then you have Davis, and Romo eating it with Ware waiting in the wings for his mega contract.

We will be looking to the draft to fill that need. (or Allen Ball/Courtney Brown)

What do we need Samuel for we have the great Roy Williams in the secondary
 

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I would pay Asante. i would love to have Henry at FS,he has the coverage skills to cover tight ends perfect and tackles decently.Trade RW to a 4-3 team where he will play lites out again and we get a 1st rounder.
 

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superpunk;1923269 said:
This is the first I've heard of this "Samuel" character.

I'll admit I'm intrigued.

Tell me more.

I'd also be interested in reading more about free safety Anthony Henry.
:laugh2:

This could only be funnier to me if you had an Asante Samuels sig wish.
 

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He would be a great addition to the team, but it's going to cost. You need to resign Hamlin. You also need to probably replace Glenn. What do you do with Adams? Keep in mind that I believe Ware, Newman, Owens are all up for new deals after next year.

If you don't resign Hamlin, then it might work.
 

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I think not. This guy is overrated. People get too caught up with his number of interceptions to realize he gives up as many big plays as he makes. He's not a "shut down" corner if those even exist anymore.
 

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Grevus;1923748 said:
He would be a great addition to the team, but it's going to cost. You need to resign Hamlin. You also need to probably replace Glenn. What do you do with Adams? Keep in mind that I believe Ware, Newman, Owens are all up for new deals after next year.

If you don't resign Hamlin, then it might work.
Adams will be gone so we can sign other areas and we will have a young guy or Davis playing LT
 

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I don't think Henry would be a good FS not a great tackler and gets hurt every season.
 

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I'm a little curious as to why a couple posters in this thread think the idea is so far fetched our "stupid". Of course I started a similar thread last week, so I have a vested interest in not being "stupid" I suppose.

First off, I think the old premise that "look at the position" and see how much money is spent there already is moot. If you suck at a position and need to "fix" it, what difference does it make if money is already spent there? At some point those contracts are going to run out, so if you sign a stud for 5 years and in 1-2 years Roy and Newman's contracts expire or are no longer a pain to shed, what's the problem?

As far as pretty much everyone in the league and on these boards thinks, the secondary is the biggest weakness of Dallas's defense? So where are we better served spending money? OLB? DE? DT? An upgrade at CB and/or safety via free-agency would help this team more than a back up at other defensive positions no?

What do teams do that sign 1st rounder busts at QB or WR. Oh well, we can't sign another QB, we better deal with this same dud for the next 4 years or so, until this position doesn't cost us so much. OK, QB is different, but if you have a glaring weakness, one that costs you the big games, then you need to try and fix it. If you have cap room and can scrimp a little at another position because you got lucky or were really smart, then spend that dough where you have obvious problems. We lack 3rd CB starter, we lack cover safety, we lack db depth, we are getting older and have shown to be injury prone at both starting CB's.

Drafting a CB doesn't necessarily fix the problem. A proven free agent like Samuel might.

Then we talk about leadership and playoff experience. Well this guy seems to play well in the playoffs, seems to have won some hardware with the Patriots, so he'd be a proven PLAYOFF guy as well. Plus he's young. We whine around here about potentially paying Flo big bucks, while this guy is only 27 this month.

Yes, we have other needs too, but on defense in particular I think a guy like Samuel would make a big impact and help all those around him as well. We could play more appropriate schemes and players to there strengths if not having to cover for the deficiencies of a Reeves or a Roy Williams in coverage.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of free agents cost too much. Rarely do you get a chance to get a quality one, but his deal with the Patriots allow you a shot here. Deion Sanders, and Charles Haley, pushed us over the top in years past, so there is precedent. Not saying Samuel is one of those guys, but I think he can really help. Would the Patriots franchise the guy if they thought he sucked? What did that tag cost the Patriots? He was worth it to a SuperBowl winning team, why not the Cowboys?

I would also look at a Trufant or Springs if available if they are better value, but I certainly don't think it's "stupid" to consider going after a guy like this.

LarryCanadian
 

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LarryCanadian;1923957 said:
I'm a little curious as to why a couple posters in this thread think the idea is so far fetched our "stupid". Of course I started a similar thread last week, so I have a vested interest in not being "stupid" I suppose.

First off, I think the old premise that "look at the position" and see how much money is spent there already is moot. If you suck at a position and need to "fix" it, what difference does it make if money is already spent there? At some point those contracts are going to run out, so if you sign a stud for 5 years and in 1-2 years Roy and Newman's contracts expire or are no longer a pain to shed, what's the problem?

As far as pretty much everyone in the league and on these boards thinks, the secondary is the biggest weakness of Dallas's defense? So where are we better served spending money? OLB? DE? DT? An upgrade at CB and/or safety via free-agency would help this team more than a back up at other defensive positions no?

What do teams do that sign 1st rounder busts at QB or WR. Oh well, we can't sign another QB, we better deal with this same dud for the next 4 years or so, until this position doesn't cost us so much. OK, QB is different, but if you have a glaring weakness, one that costs you the big games, then you need to try and fix it. If you have cap room and can scrimp a little at another position because you got lucky or were really smart, then spend that dough where you have obvious problems. We lack 3rd CB starter, we lack cover safety, we lack db depth, we are getting older and have shown to be injury prone at both starting CB's.

Drafting a CB doesn't necessarily fix the problem. A proven free agent like Samuel might.

Then we talk about leadership and playoff experience. Well this guy seems to play well in the playoffs, seems to have won some hardware with the Patriots, so he'd be a proven PLAYOFF guy as well. Plus he's young. We whine around here about potentially paying Flo big bucks, while this guy is only 27 this month.

Yes, we have other needs too, but on defense in particular I think a guy like Samuel would make a big impact and help all those around him as well. We could play more appropriate schemes and players to there strengths if not having to cover for the deficiencies of a Reeves or a Roy Williams in coverage.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of free agents cost too much. Rarely do you get a chance to get a quality one, but his deal with the Patriots allow you a shot here. Deion Sanders, and Charles Haley, pushed us over the top in years past, so there is precedent. Not saying Samuel is one of those guys, but I think he can really help. Would the Patriots franchise the guy if they thought he sucked? What did that tag cost the Patriots? He was worth it to a SuperBowl winning team, why not the Cowboys?

I would also look at a Trufant or Springs if available if they are better value, but I certainly don't think it's "stupid" to consider going after a guy like this.

LarryCanadian


I'll fix your curious behavior. We do not have the cap space for such niceities... Go read the updated cap thread started by Adam. Right now we're looking at less than $16 mil.

And we haven't spent the $4 mil for the offers on Canty and Barber.

Nor have we signed our draft picks, including two first rounders.

Nor have we resigned Hamlin & Davis.

Nor have we extended offers to our other RFA.

I haven't even mentioned Flozell Adams and the his cost.

And Newman is due to have his contract exteneded.

It's like this dude, that $16 mill is not going to go too far as it is without allocating a load of money to this guy.
 

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I guess it depends on how you structure the contracts. I think Dallas has been very careful of late, and COULD fit in a high priced free-agent or even two and be fine for the next few years. Yes, it would mortgage the medium range future a bit, but not like in the past.

Jones has even sort of indicated he would pursue a big name, add a guy to push us up there, although that could mean he wants to trade up for McFadden (we need the depth Jerry, don't do it!).

16 million is quite a bit. No hurry on Newman. Barber, Canty you have to tender for sure, if you can't negotiate the right contract right away.

I'm lost on Flo, just not sure what the right move is.

Cb strikes me as the glaring need, and then WR. Both positions take a year or two to groom from drafting the position usually. I think we need to address one of those at minimum with an impact free-agent.

LarryCanadian
 

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LarryCanadian;1923957 said:
I'm a little curious as to why a couple posters in this thread think the idea is so far fetched our "stupid". Of course I started a similar thread last week, so I have a vested interest in not being "stupid" I suppose.

First off, I think the old premise that "look at the position" and see how much money is spent there already is moot. If you suck at a position and need to "fix" it, what difference does it make if money is already spent there? At some point those contracts are going to run out, so if you sign a stud for 5 years and in 1-2 years Roy and Newman's contracts expire or are no longer a pain to shed, what's the problem?

As far as pretty much everyone in the league and on these boards thinks, the secondary is the biggest weakness of Dallas's defense? So where are we better served spending money? OLB? DE? DT? An upgrade at CB and/or safety via free-agency would help this team more than a back up at other defensive positions no?

What do teams do that sign 1st rounder busts at QB or WR. Oh well, we can't sign another QB, we better deal with this same dud for the next 4 years or so, until this position doesn't cost us so much. OK, QB is different, but if you have a glaring weakness, one that costs you the big games, then you need to try and fix it. If you have cap room and can scrimp a little at another position because you got lucky or were really smart, then spend that dough where you have obvious problems. We lack 3rd CB starter, we lack cover safety, we lack db depth, we are getting older and have shown to be injury prone at both starting CB's.

Drafting a CB doesn't necessarily fix the problem. A proven free agent like Samuel might.

Then we talk about leadership and playoff experience. Well this guy seems to play well in the playoffs, seems to have won some hardware with the Patriots, so he'd be a proven PLAYOFF guy as well. Plus he's young. We whine around here about potentially paying Flo big bucks, while this guy is only 27 this month.

Yes, we have other needs too, but on defense in particular I think a guy like Samuel would make a big impact and help all those around him as well. We could play more appropriate schemes and players to there strengths if not having to cover for the deficiencies of a Reeves or a Roy Williams in coverage.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of free agents cost too much. Rarely do you get a chance to get a quality one, but his deal with the Patriots allow you a shot here. Deion Sanders, and Charles Haley, pushed us over the top in years past, so there is precedent. Not saying Samuel is one of those guys, but I think he can really help. Would the Patriots franchise the guy if they thought he sucked? What did that tag cost the Patriots? He was worth it to a SuperBowl winning team, why not the Cowboys?

I would also look at a Trufant or Springs if available if they are better value, but I certainly don't think it's "stupid" to consider going after a guy like this.

LarryCanadian

Because this isn't the good ole 90's when we could buy guys like Deion with a whim, andddddddd:madden:
 
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