At 10 take bpa

[BrAinPaiNt]

Nahhhhh ....... lets take the WPA

 

[Cowboyny]

That's just it........I think he's admitting Zeke was an extreme exception to the rule. In other words, I don't see them drafting Jeanty inside 10. Perhaps a trade down into the teens but not inside 10.

It would depend if 1 of those blue chippers fall, but I still believe it is going to be very hard for them to pass on Jeanty. I'm putting my chips in for a difference making DT, but they might view it otherwise. Cannot ignore the financial aspect of drafting Jeanty, either.

 

[Cowboyny]

And won 13 games the next year.

I am one of the few who liked the pick of Zeke, he made a huge impact, but Garrett had no idea how to manage his workload. Could of lasted longer. I could live with taking Jeanty, but would prefer to take advantage of this deep running back class.

 

[Sydla]

And won 13 games the next year.

And how many SBs?

Zeke was a fine player for a few years for us but in the end, it was likely a mistake using a Top 5 pick on a RB. They compounded the problem by signing him to a stupid contract they are still eating.

 

[J-man]

BPA almost always, but this time, it must be BPA for the D-line. They have the chance to draft a real, top rated difference maker for the D-line. Which they almost never get the chance to do because they're usually picking in the mid-late rounds when those guys are already gobbled up. They have ignored the very few opportunities they have had and tried to patchwork this unit for too long to pass up the chance to finally get a real upgrade on the inside of the D-line.
They can afford to to it here because the guys rated in the top 10-12 will be so close in rank that taking the BPA for the D-line isn't a reach or a waste of value. Upgrading the D trenches can help this team win games more than taking, say a slightly higher graded WR or RB. Not only that, but realizing that a high quality RB can be found fairly easily later in this very deep class and OBTW, they already used their 4th rd pick on a new #2 WR.
Give me the top rated DT available at 10-12, or even another monster DE to replace D-Law and pair with Parsons for the next decade.

 

[kskboys]

At 10 take bpa. Mason Graham, Tet McMillan, or Ashton Jeanty. One could be there.

What if it's a TE?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

It would depend if 1 of those blue chippers fall, but I still believe it is going to be very hard for them to pass on Jeanty. I'm putting my chips in for a difference making DT, but they might view it otherwise. Cannot ignore the financial aspect of drafting Jeanty, either.

https://overthecap.com/position/interior-defensive-line

Here is my issue with drafting DTs, ..........the value of their impact is hard to understand when considering where they are drafted, contracts, team W/Ls, and dominants as run defenders. For example......take a look at the top 10 DTs contracts.

*** 8 were selected in the 1st round
*** 2 were selected in 2nd and 3rd rounds
Raiders, Jets, Titans, Colts, Commanders and Giants have had little or NO success even getting to the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl.

In other words, their impact is hard to predict, especially first 2-3 years. Say you draft one with 12........are drafting
** the next Jaden Carter/Aaron Donald.......
** Chris Jones.....dominant but was a 2nd round pick
** Derrick Brown....Damn good player but his team has won anything
** DeForest Buckner....7th overall but playing with his 2nd team
** Mazi Smith.......freak athlete may or may not get a 2nd contract offer

My other issue .....what are we really looking for.......1 tech or 3 tech. Correct me if I'm wrong but we need a big nasty 1 tech who is a solid run defender ( see Jordan Davis ). Hell, I think Zimm even admitted he needed some NTs. Which tells me he's not concerned about sacks from the position as much as run defender and keeping his LBers clean.

This is why unless I can get a REASONABLE guarantee I'm getting J Carter or A Donald.......I would much rather sign a free agent AND draft one outside the 1st round ( Deone Walker ....2nd fro example )

 

[Cowboyny]

https://overthecap.com/position/interior-defensive-line

Here is my issue with drafting DTs, ..........the value of their impact is hard to understand when considering where they are drafted, contracts, team W/Ls, and dominants as run defenders. For example......take a look at the top 10 DTs contracts.

*** 8 were selected in the 1st round
*** 2 were selected in 2nd and 3rd rounds
Raiders, Jets, Titans, Colts, Commanders and Giants have had little or NO success even getting to the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl.

In other words, their impact is hard to predict, especially first 2-3 years. Say you draft one with 12........are drafting
** the next Jaden Carter/Aaron Donald.......
** Chris Jones.....dominant but was a 2nd round pick
** Derrick Brown....Damn good player but his team has won anything
** DeForest Buckner....7th overall but playing with his 2nd team
** Mazi Smith.......freak athlete may or may not get a 2nd contract offer

My other issue .....what are we really looking for.......1 tech or 3 tech. Correct me if I'm wrong but we need a big nasty 1 tech who is a solid run defender ( see Jordan Davis ). Hell, I think Zimm even admitted he needed some NTs. Which tells me he's not concerned about sacks from the position as much as run defender and keeping his LBers clean.

This is why unless I can get a REASONABLE guarantee I'm getting J Carter or A Donald.......I would much rather sign a free agent AND draft one outside the 1st round ( Deone Walker ....2nd fro example )

I agree the position is very hit or miss, but the bigger issue is the long, developmental curve. They were trying to run Q. Williams out of NY early in his career and now he is one of the best in the entire league. What we need is a dominate run defender first and can wait on them developing as a pass rusher. Now couldn't you do that with someone outside the top rd? Absolutely, but there is a bigger bust rate there. In any fashion, the team is going to have to either resign Osa or sign a replacement starter, ALONG with another 1T.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

And how many SBs?

Zeke was a fine player for a few years for us but in the end, it was likely a mistake using a Top 5 pick on a RB. They compounded the problem by signing him to a stupid contract they are still eating.

I agree but Zeke caught them off guard with his demand for a new contract after only his 3rd year where he led the league in rushing. Now I ask you, here's your 4th overall draft pick, who just completed his 3rd year at the top of his position, demanding a new contract or he will sit out the number of games allowed by CBA. You don't have a replacement ........what would you have done?

* call his bluff and let him sit out
* trade him
* new contract

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I agree the position is very hit or miss, but the bigger issue is the long, developmental curve. They were trying to run Q. Williams out of NY early in his career and now he is one of the best in the entire league. What we need is a dominate run defender first and can wait on them developing as a pass rusher. Now couldn't you do that with someone outside the top rd? Absolutely, but there is a bigger bust rate there. In any fashion, the team is going to have to either resign Osa or sign a replacement starter, ALONG with another 1T.

In a nutshell.........go find me a 325lb+ dominant run defender who understands AND embraces his priorities as stopping the run AND keeping my LBers clean, stats be damned. Interestingly I've heard a couple of former league insiders say this is easier said than done coz every DLine knows sacks mean money. It's not unusual to see DTs neglecting their run responsibilities for sacks.

 

[stilltheguru]

I am out on Jeanty.

He's great but I don't see a superstar type like a Gibbs or Robinson.

I'd rather use that high pick on DL help and then come back in the 2nd or 3rd round with a TB, like either of the OSU TBs, for example.

Gibbs and Robinson aren't superstars

 

[Doomsday]

I am taking the highest rated DT or WR on my board.

Both are huge needs in my opinion, and you can get a quality RB later in the draft.

Steele and Guyton have both played better since the offense has been more balanced and not dropping back to pass 70% of the time and Bass and Hoffman have good upside.

 

[rambo2]

What if it's a TE?

It isn't.

 

[rambo2]

And how many SBs?

Zeke was a fine player for a few years for us but in the end, it was likely a mistake using a Top 5 pick on a RB. They compounded the problem by signing him to a stupid contract they are still eating.

Going 13 and 3 wasn't a mistake.

 

[rambo2]

I am one of the few who liked the pick of Zeke, he made a huge impact, but Garrett had no idea how to manage his workload. Could of lasted longer. I could live with taking Jeanty, but would prefer to take advantage of this deep running back class.

A lot of people loved the pick and it worked beautifully in 2016.

 

[Cowboyny]

In a nutshell.........go find me a 325lb+ dominant run defender who understands AND embraces his priorities as stopping the run AND keeping my LBers clean, stats be damned. Interestingly I've heard a couple of former league insiders say this is easier said than done coz every DLine knows sacks mean money. It's not unusual to see DTs neglecting their run responsibilities for sacks.

Graham, Harmon, Grant, Williams are all considered high end run defenders, what will ultimately separate them is whose become the best pass rusher. If we truly want just a run NT, a player like Corleone would be an ideal fit after the 1st rd.

 

[Sydla]

I agree but Zeke caught them off guard with his demand for a new contract after only his 3rd year where he led the league in rushing. Now I ask you, here's your 4th overall draft pick, who just completed his 3rd year at the top of his position, demanding a new contract or he will sit out the number of games allowed by CBA. You don't have a replacement ........what would you have done?

* call his bluff and let him sit out
* trade him
* new contract

LOL, he did not catch them off guard. He had been conveying for months what he was going to do.

I would have called his bluff or explored trade options. A team should never be held hostage by a RB. A QB? Sure. An elite DE or DT? Maybe. A RB? Nope.

 

[Sydla]

Going 13 and 3 wasn't a mistake.

Where do the Cowboys show the 13-3 trophy that they got that year? Is it in The Star?

I get it. It's tough for the homers to accept the reality this has been a bottom feeding franchise in terms of playoff success so they have to latch onto what are largely meaningless accomplishments at this point such as random season regular season records.

 

[big dog cowboy]

At 10 take bpa.

Trade down.

 

[rambo2]

Trade down.

Maybe, or just take best player.