At this point in Dak's career, is he really ready for another change?

[thunderpimp91]

is it asking too much for some motion or something?????

You don't hear as much of a deal being made about motion rates as you did to start the season and for good reason. The Cowboys are right around the middle of the league in motion usage.

The top 5 offenses in the league by yardage are Baltimore/Detriot/Philly/Washington/Green Bay.

Top 5 offenses in the league by points per game are Detroit/Buffalo/Baltimore/Washington/Cincinnati

Top 5 teams in the league by motion percentage are Miami/LAR/SF/KC/ATL

There really isnt a big correlation between good offenses and motion rates like it was a year and two years ago. Defenses have caught up to offenses quite a bit here.

Just may take but for most offenses motion is way more beneficial to the run game than it is the pass game.

 

[Coogiguy03]

You don't hear as much of a deal being made about motion rates as you did to start the season and for good reason. The Cowboys are right around the middle of the league in motion usage.

The top 5 offenses in the league by yardage are Baltimore/Detriot/Philly/Washington/Green Bay.

Top 5 offenses in the league by points per game are Detroit/Buffalo/Baltimore/Washington/Cincinnati

Top 5 teams in the league by motion percentage are Miami/LAR/SF/KC/ATL

There really isnt a big correlation between good offenses and motion rates like it was a year and two years ago. Defenses have caught up to offenses quite a bit here.

Just may take but for most offenses motion is way more beneficial to the run game than it is the pass game.

I hear you, but it's boring making it so easy on the defense

 

[Joey9775]

Why would the locker room want an end to the free ride? No preseason, barely practice, nobody holds you accountable, go clubbing during playoffs, etc.

That's why they all want McCarthy to stay.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Why would the locker room want an end to the free ride? No preseason, barely practice, nobody holds you accountable, go clubbing during playoffs, etc.

That's why they all want McCarthy to stay.

less work more money free ride and all the things that come along with it

 

[thunderpimp91]

I hear you, but it's boring making it so easy on the defense

I don't think motion is that stressful for a defense as that side of the ball has caught up is my point. In fact it can be more stressful on your offensive guys if they don't process information quickly. You use motion and all of a sudden the DL is shifting, LBs are bumping over, these combo coverages by the defense are getting flipped. Passing offenses are very read heavy between RPOs and option routes for receivers.

Situationally I think its a good team. In the run game I think it can be a very effective tool. The Rams and Dolphins who are the big two that use motion rates way higher than the rest of the league but they are both in the bottom half of the league in total offense. It could be argued that injuries are a major factor there, but then it goes back to what's really more important... the scheme or the players?

 

[Coogiguy03]

I don't think motion is that stressful for a defense as that side of the ball has caught up is my point. In fact it can be more stressful on your offensive guys if they don't process information quickly. You use motion and all of a sudden the DL is shifting, LBs are bumping over, these combo coverages by the defense are getting flipped. Passing offenses are very read heavy between RPOs and option routes for receivers.

Situationally I think its a good team. In the run game I think it can be a very effective tool. The Rams and Dolphins who are the big two that use motion rates way higher than the rest of the league but they are both in the bottom half of the league in total offense. It could be argued that injuries are a major factor there, but then it goes back to what's really more important... the scheme or the players?

Damn thunder as always appreciate your deep dive into things man, much respected!!!!! What kind of offense do you think would be best for us

 

[America's Cowboy]

Quite true my good man. You just proved it.

Why should I change when I'm right? If I get proven wrong, I gladly admit it and ask for change, unlike you.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Why should I change when I'm right? If I get proven wrong, I gladly admit it and ask for change, unlike you.

I already proved you wrong. You said I had the "most terrible player assessment ever"...after I showed you I complimented you on YOUR player assessment.


Now...either I was right about complimenting you...showing good player assessment and agreeing with you about it. (which makes you WRONG about my assessment abilities)

Or....I was WRONG about complimenting you since you say my player assessment sucks...which means my agreement with your assessment is in error...and your assessment sucks....since I agreed with it.

Now this pure logic might be over your head and you'll have to have yer mommy read it slow to you. But you can't have it both ways.

If I agreed with your assessment, and YOU think your own assessment was fantastic......i MUST be fairly decent?

If you think I suck at assessment while agreeing with yours...then you must suck as well.

Read it slow and think about it before you go makin a fool of yourself again.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I don't think motion is that stressful for a defense as that side of the ball has caught up is my point. In fact it can be more stressful on your offensive guys if they don't process information quickly. You use motion and all of a sudden the DL is shifting, LBs are bumping over, these combo coverages by the defense are getting flipped. Passing offenses are very read heavy between RPOs and option routes for receivers.

Situationally I think its a good team. In the run game I think it can be a very effective tool. The Rams and Dolphins who are the big two that use motion rates way higher than the rest of the league but they are both in the bottom half of the league in total offense. It could be argued that injuries are a major factor there, but then it goes back to what's really more important... the scheme or the players?

The scheme and players are equally important. Each can be very good but if they don't complement each other it's for naught.

I also think a CLEAR understanding of the scheme by the players is critical. We see this in the everyday workplace. Good workers with confusing, schizophrenic scheme or work instructions? Failure.

 

[5Stars]

He's been used to doing things a certain way with MM being here, if/when a new coach comes here, he will ask Dak to try new things that Dak may not be comfortable with. You hear Dak come out in defense for MM, that to me could just be a cry for help to keep things the way they are. Please give your thoughts

I don't know, why don't you ask him?

 

[thunderpimp91]

The scheme and players are equally important. Each can be very good but if they don't complement each other it's for naught.

I also think a CLEAR understanding of the scheme by the players is critical. We see this in the everyday workplace. Good workers with confusing, schizophrenic scheme or work instructions? Failure.

I would completely disagree. Yes you want both to be up to par, no doubt about that, but I'd much rather take my chances with really good players in a horrible scheme rather than terrible players in a great scheme. Bad players give you zero chance if they can't win 1v1 matchups.

Miami averaged about 12 points per game without Tua this year. 26 with him. Its really hard to just plug and play lesser talent into any scheme.

Kellen Moore had top offenses in Dallas. He goes to LA and is horrible. Goes to a loaded Philly offense and is top 5 in the league again.

Coaching matters don't get me wrong, but I think we give way too much credit and blame to these coordinators when 90% of the time if they have quality players they'll produce for you and when they dont they wont.

 

[cowboyed]

He's been used to doing things a certain way with MM being here, if/when a new coach comes here, he will ask Dak to try new things that Dak may not be comfortable with. You hear Dak come out in defense for MM, that to me could just be a cry for help to keep things the way they are. Please give your thoughts

Apparently just for his house.

 

[Whirlwin]

He's been used to doing things a certain way with MM being here, if/when a new coach comes here, he will ask Dak to try new things that Dak may not be comfortable with. You hear Dak come out in defense for MM, that to me could just be a cry for help to keep things the way they are. Please give your thoughts

That’s why you build a scheme that fits your quarterback, you don’t build a scheme and then add a quarterback

 

[Whirlwin]

I would completely disagree. Yes you want both to be up to par, no doubt about that, but I'd much rather take my chances with really good players in a horrible scheme rather than terrible players in a great scheme. Bad players give you zero chance if they can't win 1v1 matchups.

Miami averaged about 12 points per game without Tua this year. 26 with him. Its really hard to just plug and play lesser talent into any scheme.

Kellen Moore had top offenses in Dallas. He goes to LA and is horrible. Goes to a loaded Philly offense and is top 5 in the league again.

Coaching matters don't get me wrong, but I think we give way too much credit and blame to these coordinators when 90% of the time if they have quality players they'll produce for you and when they dont they wont.

People don’t care about the scheme, they just want somebody to blame. But everything has to fit and people don’t wanna hear that or understand it.

 

[CCBoy]

Prescott better be ready for change with his big boy pants on...he already is being paid to be a Hero as well.

 

[Whirlwin]

Prescott better be ready for change with his big boy pants on...he already is being paid to be a Hero as well.

He’s being paid to lead the Cowboys offense. He can’t control the scheme or the players they put around him. He’s just the scapegoat.
what statistics mean nothing. Buffalo four Super Bowl in a row, means nothing.
He has had better numbers than any cowboy quarterback prior to him
I don’t care either way about him. I’m just saying, you win this league or you’re a loser

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Short answer, no.

Anyone notice we aren't running so many stop routes anymore? Think of the completions (and drops, the last game) to CeeDee. Or the completions to anyone, really, even Schoonmaker. Most are on the move.

That's why I say the offensive routes everyone complains about are Dak and what he's comfortable with. A Ben Johnson or anyone else isn't changing things that much unless the 240 million dollar man approves it. Jerry might not even hire them in the first place if they won't let Dak have major say in the offense.

Unless Jerry changes and puts more importance on coach over player, but this is Jerry we're talking about -- the same guy who is so stubborn he'd rather blind his own players than put up curtains.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Short answer, no.

Anyone notice we aren't running so many stop routes anymore? Think of the completions (and drops, the last game) to CeeDee. Or the completions to anyone, really, even Schoonmaker. Most are on the move.

That's why I say the offensive routes everyone complains about are Dak and what he's comfortable with. A Ben Johnson or anyone else isn't changing things that much unless the 240 million dollar man approves it. Jerry might not even hire them in the first place if they won't let Dak have major say in the offense.

Unless Jerry changes and puts more importance on coach over player, but this is Jerry we're talking about -- the same guy who is so stubborn he'd rather blind his own players than put up curtains.

you make a very very good point!!

 

[Whirlwin]

Short answer, no.

Anyone notice we aren't running so many stop routes anymore? Think of the completions (and drops, the last game) to CeeDee. Or the completions to anyone, really, even Schoonmaker. Most are on the move.

That's why I say the offensive routes everyone complains about are Dak and what he's comfortable with. A Ben Johnson or anyone else isn't changing things that much unless the 240 million dollar man approves it. Jerry might not even hire them in the first place if they won't let Dak have major say in the offense.

Unless Jerry changes and puts more importance on coach over player, but this is Jerry we're talking about -- the same guy who is so stubborn he'd rather blind his own players than put up curtains.

But Prescott can’t read a defense, why should he have any say in what he does . The whole thing is just ridiculous. We’re just not a very good football team. We’re playing as individuals and that’s the bottom line, someone needs to pull this team together. Where are the captains on the field? They’re gone. The last captain was Sean Lee that was any good

 

[Coogiguy03]

But Prescott can’t read a defense, why should he have any say in what he does . The whole thing is just ridiculous. We’re just not a very good football team. We’re playing as individuals and that’s the bottom line, someone needs to pull this team together. Where are the captains on the field? They’re gone. The last captain was Sean Lee that was any good

Guy that wasn't worried about the bag, he let the bag come to him. You'd want micah to be that leader but man