Atlanta Braves thread!!!

[RoyTheHammer]

So 4 WAR is average and All-Star Games matter? Ok.

I think we're done here.

2006 to 2010 is 5 seasons, so divide 15 WAR by 5 seasons and that's 3.

Your welcome.

..and yes, 3 WAR a year is about as average as it gets. Hell, the league leaders in WAR already have 2 right now and we arn't even a month into the season yet. lol

You're right.. i think we are done here. Lets talk again when he passes the Mendoza line.

 

[tko112204]

2006 to 2010 is 5 seasons, so divide 15 WAR by 5 seasons and that's 3.

Your welcome.

..and yes, 3 WAR a year is about as average as it gets. Hell, the league leaders in WAR already have 2 right now and we arn't even a month into the season yet. lol

You're right.. i think we are done here. Lets talk again when he passes the Mendoza line.

Since no one is arguing that Dan Uggla is a premier defensive player, let's look at it this way:

OPS since '06: .818, .805, .874, .813, .877
oWAR since '06: 3.5, 3, 4.2, 3.4, 4.7= 18.8
oWBA since '06: .347, .345, .372, .354, .381

That is an all-star. No way around it. No, he's not as good as Utley WAS, or as good as Cano, but I'm not sure he isn't better than every other 2B in baseball. PEDroia has a an argument, but they are very different hitters. Uggla tons more power, Pedroia better BA, but about the same OBP. I would say they're about equal. So he's top 5 easy.

What say you?

 

[DIAF]

Freddi Gonzalez sucks. Derek Lowe is pitching on one leg and OFlaherty has been warming in the pen but yet he is leaving him out there.

Grabbing back of leg and hopping around and STILL FREDDI HASNT GONE TO THE PEN.

I swear to God.

 

[casmith07]

Freddi Gonzalez sucks. Derek Lowe is pitching on one leg and OFlaherty has been warming in the pen but yet he is leaving him out there.

Grabbing back of leg and hopping around and STILL FREDDI HASNT GONE TO THE PEN.

I swear to God.

5-0 shutout of the Phils. Stop whining.

 

[DIAF]

5-0 shutout of the Phils. Stop whining.

No thanks to Freddi Gonzalez, that's for sure.

 

[tko112204]

No thanks to Freddi Gonzalez, that's for sure.

I love it when he brings in relievers just to get pitchers out. That's my favorite.

 

[DIAF]

I love it when he brings in relievers just to get pitchers out. That's my favorite.

Or when there's a runner on 1st with 1 out, and he has Gonzalez sacrifice the runner to 2nd for Brooks Conrad and Brandon Hicks. Brilliant!

 

[28 Joker]

I'm a Braves fan.

Can someone please tell me why the Braves paid Dan Uggla $ 62 million dollars over 5 years, and he's 31. He's a super common. He's not Chipper Jones, so his drop off is probably going to be faster and steeper.

Uggla will earn $ 9 million this year, and $ 13 million over the next 4 years. He's a super common who looks like he is going to be a strike out machine and an expensive bust. Again, he's not Chipper Jones.

He struck out 3 times tonight and twice with the bases loaded (one out).

Frank Wren is gong to rue the day that he signed this guy and gave him all that money. That is highway robbery. The Braves should know better.

I was a big Andruw Jones fan, and they still have not replaced him.

Venters is a stud, and the Yankees and Redsox are going to pull up a bank fault to him, but Dan Uggla is going to have all his money. LOL

Martin Prado is a stud. He's their best player.

The Braves have some nice young talent, but giving all that money to Uggla was out of character and a big mistake.

It's been two months of a 5 year deal, but it sure looks uggla now, and the guy is 31 and a super common in opinion.

 

[DIAF]

I'm a Braves fan.

Can someone please tell me why the Braves paid Dan Uggla $ 62 million dollars over 5 years, and he's 31. He's a super common. He's not Chipper Jones, so his drop off is probably going to be faster and steeper.

Uggla will earn $ 9 million this year, and $ 13 million over the next 4 years. He's a super common who looks like he is going to be a strike out machine and an expensive bust. Again, he's not Chipper Jones.

He struck out 3 times tonight and twice with the bases loaded (one out).

Frank Wren is gong to rue the day that he signed this guy and gave him all that money. That is highway robbery. The Braves should know better.

I was a big Andruw Jones fan, and they still have not replaced him.

Venters is a stud, and the Yankees and Redsox are going to pull up a bank fault to him, but Dan Uggla is going to have all his money. LOL

Martin Prado is a stud. He's their best player.

The Braves have some nice young talent, but giving all that money to Uggla was out of character and a big mistake.

It's been two months of a 5 year deal, but it sure looks uggla now, and the guy is 31 and a super common in opinion.

Oh please. He'll be fine. This isn't like football where a guy is washed up at 31, for a baseball player that's still in his prime. He's not striking out any more than he usually does, in fact his K% is down from his career norms. His BABIP is an extremely unlucky .219 which is unsustainable. He's just got to start getting some of these balls he's hitting to drop in for hits. He's got 31 hits and 15 of them have been for extra bases.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Oh please. He'll be fine. This isn't like football where a guy is washed up at 31, for a baseball player that's still in his prime. He's not striking out any more than he usually does, in fact his K% is down from his career norms. His BABIP is an extremely unlucky .219 which is unsustainable. He's just got to start getting some of these balls he's hitting to drop in for hits. He's got 31 hits and 15 of them have been for extra bases.

:laugh2:

So true.. so true.

 

[28 Joker]

Oh please. He'll be fine. This isn't like football where a guy is washed up at 31, for a baseball player that's still in his prime. He's not striking out any more than he usually does, in fact his K% is down from his career norms. His BABIP is an extremely unlucky .219 which is unsustainable. He's just got to start getting some of these balls he's hitting to drop in for hits. He's got 31 hits and 15 of them have been for extra bases.

31 can still be prime for football players, too.

Uggla had a great day today. I was glad to see him hit that homer and get his hits and score some runs. However, I"m very skeptical of his contract and the amount of money that he is going to get over the next 5 years.

However, he's over paid like many super commons in baseball. For his money, he better be Roberto Alomar, but he isn't.

Roberto Alomar was a flat out stud.

 

[Temo]

Brian. McCann.

That is all.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Well a couple weeks have passed, time to check in on our newest Atlanta multi millionaire.

Over the Mendoza line yet?

 

[28 Joker]

That super common is hitting .190 and has struck out 37 times. He is ranked 91st in batting average.

Then, you have the over rated Freddie Freeman (his swing is too long and loopy with his hands). He's hitting a hot .236 and has 35 Ks. If he doesn't fix that, he will be a bust. I'm really not seeing the hype with this player, and he doesn't look as good as Ryan Klesco. They will be looking for a first baseman in a trade. Oh, wait. Uggla has all the money.

I've always been a big time Chipper Jones fan, but that old man is hitting .266. Plus, his leg is due to fall of at any moment.

That uber super common Nate McClouth, he is hitting a robust .244. He likes to drop routine pop flies and miss the cutoff man. He can bunt, though. 29 year old, uber supper common...Man, I miss Andruw Jones. There is no telling how many runs he saved. Best CF of all time...

Alex Gonzalez is hitting .256. At least, he isn't an error machine this year, but he is 34.

Jason Heyward is hitting .214. Yikes. If he doesn't get it going, the Braves are done for sure. He has a shoulder issue. I do really like him, but it's looking like a really bad year for him. Is he the next Francour or Franbust? They probably should have kept Francour, because all these other guys can't hit, either. There is something for sure wrong with Heyward, because he looked liked a for sure super star to be, last year. He didn't hit in the playoffs, though.

Craig Kimbrel has blown 4 saves, and more are probably coming. That is too many. The season isn't a full two months old.

The minor league pitcher that is so highly rated doesn't look like anything special to me. Avery looked like a stud early.

Other than that, it's all peachy.

Jurrjens has pitched really good, but the team can't hit and gave him no support last night.

The Braves are going to finish in third place this year unless they start hitting the baseball. They are just lucky that they played the Phillies 6 times in two weeks and beat them 4 times. By the time they play again, the Braves will be in big trouble.

To summarize:

The makeup of this team is just bad. Too many strike out kings and pop corn artists, no speed (except for Heyward), two old pitchers, and two good, young RHPs... You have an old Chipper Jones. He can't hit left handed anymore. It's been that way for a while, the decline left handed which was the heart and soul of his power. You have a 31 year old, $12.2 million dollar super common (Uggla) hitting .190, the way over rated Freeman hitting .236, Heyward hitting .214, the closer blowing premium leads, the 29 year old, uber super common (Nate McClouth) hitting .244 (Will the Pirates please take him back?), a 34 year old SS hitting .256, ect...

Can we recall the GM?

The Braves are not as good as they thought they were going to be, and they sure don't look like they are just one 31 year old, $ 12.2 million dollar, super common away from winning it all.

 

[Muhast]

41 freeman and uggla are starting to come around now. In fact the braves are playing great baseball now. Only 2 behind the phillies and heyward will finally be back in a week

 

[Kangaroo]

I noticed the braves have a pretty strong following here, so i figured id get this thread going...3-1 to start the season..just a few bullet point thoughts of mine

- I hate Nate Mclouth
- Very impressed w Kimbrell as the closer
- This team could use another bat for sure
- Very happy w the bullpen overall
- Starting pitching is strong
- Hanson needs to be better
- We really need a new CF..preferably one that can swing the bat..I don't see any other position on this team where a change can be made that will also improve us offensively...not a realistic one at least
- Chipper is the man

I am a Braves fan but I do not follow baseball much any more so i have not followed any of the new guys recently. between the strike and how Baseball is structured I have just lost all interest in baseball

 

[Muhast]

41 freeman and uggla are starting to come around now. In fact the braves are playing great baseball now. Only 2 behind the phillies and heyward will finally be back in a week

The team is playing really well with Jordan Shaffer instead of McClouth.

Not only that but McCann has 8 HRs in his last 20 games.

Freeman is hitting in the 350 range over the last 20.

Chipper is hitting from the left side, and Hanson/Jurrgens have been almost unhittable.

 

[28 Joker]

The team is playing really well with Jordan Shaffer instead of McClouth.

Not only that but McCann has 8 HRs in his last 20 games.

Freeman is hitting in the 350 range over the last 20.

Chipper is hitting from the left side, and Hanson/Jurrgens have been almost unhittable.

You are exactly right. I thought they were going to fall out of it for sure, but some how they stayed in it. I've been watching some games. Shaffer has been a big plus, and he catches everything in CF. They need him to stick for sure. He has played better than his average. He walks some. Plus, he got hit in the face. Freddie Freeman is tearing it up. I saw him rake a LHP and knock in a key run and he kept his front shoulder in. His swing doesn't seem to be too loopy now. I saw that bomb he hit the other night, and he has recorded some multi-hit games. They need him to keep it up. They are going to need Jason Heyward back (and hitting) if they want to dethrone the Phillies.

Uggla had some hits this weekend. His average is beyond ugly. Hopefully, he can get it up. I still wouldn't have paid him all that money. I still think it's crazy. I hope he does well.

Chipper Jones turned back the clock left handed, recently. Chipper's best side was always his left side during his peak years.

Jonny Venters is a flat out stud, and that pitching will keep them in it to the bitter end, I think.

The Phillies are old, and if the Braves hit, they can win that division.

Mike Minor pitched a good game. Hanson looked good today. Jurrgens is CY Young worthy right now. Kimbrel has done a pretty good job, and the umpire flat out robbed him the other night on a strike three, out three situation.

 

[28 Joker]

The team is playing really well with Jordan Shaffer instead of McClouth.

Not only that but McCann has 8 HRs in his last 20 games.

Freeman is hitting in the 350 range over the last 20.

Chipper is hitting from the left side, and Hanson/Jurrgens have been almost unhittable.

Marin Prado has won some games. They can't afford to have him out. When he got hurt last year, that killed them. Losing Chipper Jones was a killer, too. Then, Wagner...

Did you flip the channels between the Titans/Cowboys game and the Braves/Giants game last fall?

Oh, joy...

Colombo spiking the ball and doing a Peter Pan and the long kickoff return and the errors at second base... The Giants scored all their runs off the errors. The Braves were one strike away from being up 2-1.

If Bobby Cox had last year's bull pen or Venters, he would have two hands full of World Series rings.

 

[Temo]

Hanson's beard and his game are growing quite well.