Atlanta Braves thread!!!

[Patton]

People who don't know baseball amuse me.

I know. Someone literally used the RBI "stat" in this thread.

 

[CowboyDan]

I know. Someone literally used the RBI "stat" in this thread.

Braves fans don't count RBIs? Well then tell me, Mr. Gammons, what stats do you hold most precious ?

 

[Patton]

Braves fans don't count RBIs? Well then tell me, Mr. Gammons, what stats do you hold most precious ?

Certainly not counting stats. RBI's are almost literally based on where you're hitting in the lineup and the people hitting in spots close to you. It's purely a counting stat, it doesn't mean anything.

Regardless, the whole comment about the Phillies slumping is less about stats and the fact that the Phillies are performing at about the level that they should. For example, Ryan Howard OPSing .827 isn't a slump, as the other guy implied, it's about what you expect out of him at this point. The Braves, beyond probably Brian McCann and Chipper Jones haven't performed to the level that they've been projected to. It's more likely that they will play better than the Phillies playing better.

 

[CowboyDan]

Certainly not counting stats. RBI's are almost literally based on where you're hitting in the lineup and the people hitting in spots close to you. It's purely a counting stat, it doesn't mean anything.

Regardless, the whole comment about the Phillies slumping is less about stats and the fact that the Phillies are performing at about the level that they should. For example, Ryan Howard OPSing .827 isn't a slump, as the other guy implied, it's about what you expect out of him at this point. The Braves, beyond probably Brian McCann and Chipper Jones haven't performed to the level that they've been projected to. It's more likely that they will play better than the Phillies playing better.

I got news for you......when you're all on the same team RBI's gives you an indication of hitting, on base percentage and run production. But don't let my ignorant mind get in the way of your Brave's broadcast.

I got more news for you.....you can say this guy's not performing like he should, and that guy's performing about right, but the FACT is that they are performing the way they are...and that's what matters. (see the Dallas Cowboys of 2010) Of course, if you want to console yourself with projections, go right ahead. I'm going to go by the record......which for the Phils, is the Best in Baseball.

 

[Patton]

No one has disputed that the Phillies have a better offense than the Braves in this thread . I just disputed the notion that they're slumping. That's simply not the case (and I don't know why I even argued that point because both teams are still below average offensively). They're right about where they should be. I'd be worried about what happens to them when they really do start slumping, if I were a Phillies fan.

I don't need to "console" myself. The Braves are tied for the wildcard as of this posting and would have a chance to appear in the playoffs. It doesn't matter if they win the division or the wildcard, they'd still be in the same spot the Phillies are.

 

[JBS]

Up to this point in time, the phils have been the better team. But don't kid yourself, the braves have not been healthy at all so far this season. It's June, who is in first in June means nothing..let's see who wins the pennant.

 

[JBS]

Jason Heyward is back..batting 7th tonight..we desperately need this kid to provide some pop with his bat

 

[Temo]

Saying a team is lucky and supporting that statement by citing the leaders in individual stat categories is just dumb.

How about run differential?

Record in 1 run games?

Anything other than what you just did?

 

[CowboyDan]

Saying a team is lucky and supporting that statement by citing the leaders in individual stat categories is just dumb.

How about run differential?

Record in 1 run games?

Anything other than what you just did?

You must read backwards or something, because the stats were in response to someone saying that the Phils' position players are old and declining. Funny how those old, declining guys are leading those young underperformers from the ATL huh?

I said your team was lucky to be within 2 games of the Phils because it's true. That's based on much more than just the proof that our position players outperform your position players.

But since you asked....

Run Differential
Phils +57
Braves +38

1 Run Games
Phils 11-8
Braves 13-12

Want more?? http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/type/expanded

 

[DIAF]

You bring up their pitching stats when i talk about how their offense has been in a slump?

Flawless logic there..

You didn't specify offense. You just said the whole team was in a "slump". Last I checked, a whole team includes pitchers as well.

hahaha @ the phillies fans in here thinking that RBI is an awesome indicator of individual hitter's ability. They probably are still clinging on to batting averages as well.

 

[CowboyDan]

You didn't specify offense. You just said the whole team was in a "slump". Last I checked, a whole team includes pitchers as well.

hahaha @ the phillies fans in here thinking that RBI is an awesome indicator of individual hitter's ability. They probably are still clinging on to batting averages as well.

HaHa at the Braves fans in here who ask me to show differential and 1 run records, even though the Phillies are leading in both of those categories also. You guys have any other stats you want to compare?

 

[CowboyDan]

By the way, the Phils won both games of their double-header today.....the Braves are down 3 - 0 in a rain delayed game......could the Braves be 5 games back after today?? Wow.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You didn't specify offense. You just said the whole team was in a "slump". Last I checked, a whole team includes pitchers as well.

hahaha @ the phillies fans in here thinking that RBI is an awesome indicator of individual hitter's ability. They probably are still clinging on to batting averages as well.

How's superstar Dan Uggla doing again? Go ahead and throw me some bogus stats that say he's actually hitting well despite what his BA and run production are.

Dope..

 

[Temo]

HaHa at the Braves fans in here who ask me to show differential and 1 run records, even though the Phillies are leading in both of those categories also. You guys have any other stats you want to compare?

What does the Phillies leading in both have to do with the Braves no deserving to be 2 back? Neither stat shows that they are lucky at all.

 

[Temo]

By the way, the Phils won both games of their double-header today.....the Braves are down 3 - 0 in a rain delayed game......could the Braves be 5 games back after today?? Wow.

'tis a long season man. Lots of good action still to be played.

Philly fans are crazy with all the crowing they do.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

'tis a long season man. Lots of good action still to be played.

Philly fans are crazy with all the crowing they do.

Yawn.. this entire thread is guys trying to shove sunshine up each other's rear ends about how the Braves will turn it around and are primed to take the division.

All i have to say about the Phils is that they are a better club all around, and their hitters are finally starting to get good swings on the ball and look what's happening. To those who say the offense wasn't in a huge slump pretty much across the board, you obviously have not followed the Phils or know their hitters very well.

 

[Temo]

Yawn.. this entire thread is guys trying to shove sunshine up each other's rear ends about how the Braves will turn it around and are primed to take the division.

Whatever man. I refuse to be down about my team in early June with a winning record, in striking distance of the division lead, and some exciting pitchers.

You can do what you want.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Whatever man. I refuse to be down about my team in early June with a winning record, in striking distance of the division lead, and some exciting pitchers.

You can do what you want.

Nothing wrong with being excited in how the Braves are doing, but if some want to try and brush off how good the Phils are into convincing themselves to think the Braves will take this division.. come on now. The Phils are clearly the better team in almost every facet of the game. We'll see how things play out, but if the Phils stay relatively healthy for most of the season, i don't see how the Braves could possibly overtake them.

 

[Temo]

Nothing wrong with being excited in how the Braves are doing, but if some want to try and brush off how good the Phils are into convincing themselves to think the Braves will take this division.. come on now. The Phils are clearly the better team in almost every facet of the game. We'll see how things play out, but if the Phils stay relatively healthy for most of the season, i don't see how the Braves could possibly overtake them.

Which I never said. I refuted the idea that the Braves being 2 games back was "luck".

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Up to this point in time, the phils have been the better team. But don't kid yourself, the braves have not been healthy at all so far this season. It's June, who is in first in June means nothing..let's see who wins the pennant.

The Phils have had more than their fair share of injuries this season as well, btw. You act like they've had their entire roster to work with all season long.