Atlanta Braves thread!!!

[CowboyDan]

You must read backwards or something, because the stats were in response to someone saying that the Phils' position players are old and declining. Funny how those old, declining guys are leading those young underperformers from the ATL huh?

I said your team was lucky to be within 2 games of the Phils because it's true. That's based on much more than just the proof that our position players outperform your position players.

But since you asked....

Run Differential
Phils +58
Braves +34

1 Run Games
Phils 12-8
Braves 13-12

Want more?? http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/type/expanded

Corrected after last night. :
A 24 run advantage and a higher winning percentage in 1 run games.....the 2 stats you value the most. I'm starting to think the Braves are lucky to be 5 back.

 

[DIAF]

How's superstar Dan Uggla doing again? Go ahead and throw me some bogus stats that say he's actually hitting well despite what his BA and run production are.

Dope..

Is this all you have? Childish antics? Name calling? It would be nice if you would stop crapping up this BASEBALL thread with juvenile posturing.

 

[Temo]

Corrected after last night. :
A 24 run advantage and a higher winning percentage in 1 run games.....the 2 stats you value the most. I'm starting to think the Braves are lucky to be 5 back.

In terms of luck those are exactly the stats you need. Not sure how you think otherwise.

13-12 record in 1 run games is slightly unlucky. The Phillies are right on course.

The Braves expected Win-Loss with that run differential is 39-30, behind the Phillies at 41-28, which is exactly two games back.

Play again.

 

[CowboyDan]

In terms of luck those are exactly the stats you need. Not sure how you think otherwise.

13-12 record in 1 run games is slightly unlucky. The Phillies are right on course.

The Braves expected Win-Loss with that run differential is 39-30, behind the Phillies at 41-28, which is exactly two games back.

Play again.

Now you're trying to make my case for me.....I'm the one who said you were lucky to be 2 games back. 24 hours later, you're where you belong, 5 games back. You just keep looking at projections and what-ifs, and I'll go by real life........you're 5 games back.

 

[Temo]

Now you're trying to make my case for me.....I'm the one who said you were lucky to be 2 games back. 24 hours later, you're where you belong, 5 games back. You just keep looking at projections and what-ifs, and I'll go by real life........you're 5 games back.

Ok, this is officially useless.

We'll see you when we see you.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Is this all you have? Childish antics? Name calling? It would be nice if you would stop crapping up this BASEBALL thread with juvenile posturing.

No, you're just a dope.. so i said as much.

You're sitting there trying to tell me that BA and run production mean nothing. Its all nonsense. Go ahead.. show me some bogus stat that explains why Danny Uggla is actually hitting well right now. I'll wait..

 

[DIAF]

No, you're just a dope.. so i said as much.

You're sitting there trying to tell me that BA and run production mean nothing. Its all nonsense. Go ahead.. show me some bogus stat that explains why Danny Uggla is actually hitting well right now. I'll wait..

RBI != run production

hahaha, i told you the philly fans are clinging to RBI and batting average. I guess advanced stats are too difficult to grasp. (see, i can be condescending too)

RBI means you just get a hit when someone ahead of you happened to get on. Whoopdee doo. Getting on base and going further when you get on base are far more important to run production.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

RBI != run production

hahaha, i told you the philly fans are clinging to RBI and batting average. I guess advanced stats are too difficult to grasp. (see, i can be condescending too)

RBI means you just get a hit when someone ahead of you happened to get on. Whoopdee doo. Getting on base and going further when you get on base are far more important to run production.

Tell me what's more important than hitting consistently and producing runs? There's a reason they are the stats that if you put up good numbers, you get paid, make all star teams, etc..

All your superior attitude and whining about "advanced stats" does is show me how foolish you are. Keep worrying about those, and the rest of us who know baseball will keep realising that the guys who drive in the most runs are the most valuable, because nothing is more important on offense than run production.


And again.. how's Uggla doing?

 

[DIAF]

Tell me what's more important than hitting consistently and producing runs?

Getting on base and getting into scoring position. That's what is important in producing runs. You don't even need to get a HIT to drive in a run.

There's a reason they are the stats that if you put up good numbers, you get paid, make all star teams, etc..

LOL the all-star game, they let fans vote for the all-star game! Freakin' OMAR INFANTE made the all-star team. Every team has to have a representative.

All your superior attitude and whining about "advanced stats" does is show me how foolish you are.

Apparently you don't read your own posts.

Keep worrying about those, and the rest of us who know baseball will keep realising that the guys who drive in the most runs are the most valuable, because nothing is more important on offense than run production.

Even a .250 hitter with no power that never walks can drive in tons of runs if the guys in front of him get on and get over. Does he get credit for that? Of course he shouldn't. Getting on base and getting over is THE most important factor in run production. Not the guy who happens to reap the benefit.

"Advanced stats" are not that hard to figure out. The only people that cling to things like Batting Averages are people that know baseball from the back of a baseball card or fantasy baseball players. LOL at batting average/RBI being the most important stat in baseball. You probably think WINS are the most important pitching stat, too.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Getting on base and getting into scoring position. That's what is important in producing runs. You don't even need to get a HIT to drive in a run.

Really so consistently hitting to get runners on base is important? Guess that's why guys with high batting averages every year are the most coveted and valuable, along with the guys that drive in the most runs.. like i said. lol

Getting into scoring position means nothing if you don't knock them in, btw. The Phillies should know from a few years ago how useless getting runners into scoring position is. If you're trying to tell me getting guys to second base is more important than getting them home.. im going to call you a dope again and move on. So try something else.

 

[DIAF]

Really so consistently hitting to get runners on base is important? Guess that's why guys with high batting averages every year are the most coveted and valuable, along with the guys that drive in the most runs.. like i said. lol

Getting into scoring position means nothing if you don't knock them in, btw. The Phillies should know from a few years ago how useless getting runners into scoring position is. If you're trying to tell me getting guys to second base is more important than getting them home.. im going to call you a dope again and move on. So try something else.

It doesnt surprise me that you aren't able to grasp this simple concept, I guess.

Your argument about batting average (getting a hit) being the most important thing in "run production"....anyone can get a hit and drive in a run if there are runners on and in scoring position, heck you don't even NEED a hit to score a run...hitters can chase home a run on a fly ball sacrifice, fielders' choice, base on balls....shoot, you dont even need a hit to get on base. A BB will suffice.

RBI is a function of the on base skill of the hitters in the lineup in front of you. Its more about opportunity than skill. If you are a .250 hitter with average power but the guys in front of you do a good job of getting on base, then you are going to have a lot of opportunities to knock in runs despite your mediocre bat.

This demonstrates that OBP (and OPS) are far more important metrics than Batting Average for "run production". Or wOBA, if you prefer.

But oh, you are oh-so-old-school and math has no place in the game! It's all about getting those baseball-card stats!

 

[Temo]

Why even have this conversation. It's pointless.

Awesome balk-off win today. Gotta love the Mets.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

It doesnt surprise me that you aren't able to grasp this simple concept, I guess.

Your argument about batting average (getting a hit) being the most important thing in "run production"....anyone can get a hit and drive in a run if there are runners on and in scoring position, heck you don't even NEED a hit to score a run...hitters can chase home a run on a fly ball sacrifice, fielders' choice, base on balls....shoot, you dont even need a hit to get on base. A BB will suffice.

RBI is a function of the on base skill of the hitters in the lineup in front of you. Its more about opportunity than skill. If you are a .250 hitter with average power but the guys in front of you do a good job of getting on base, then you are going to have a lot of opportunities to knock in runs despite your mediocre bat.

This demonstrates that OBP (and OPS) are far more important metrics than Batting Average for "run production". Or wOBA, if you prefer.

But oh, you are oh-so-old-school and math has no place in the game! It's all about getting those baseball-card stats!

Its actually pretty simple, and you still won't understand it because you'll over think it some more, but as i have said from the beginning..

The players who hit consistently and therefore have high batting averages most seasons, and the players who drive home the most runs every season are the ones that are the most valuable and who command the biggest contracts. Bottom line.

Tell me about all your other stats and yada yada yada.. the guys who get on base, and the guys who knock home the runs are the most important.

Anyone can get a hit and drive in a run, yet some do consistently, and some don't.

Just like anyone can get on base, yet some do consistently, and some don't.

Your logic is like that of a 5 year old. Of course anyone can do something, but most don't.

 

[DIAF]

Tell me about all your other stats and yada yada yada.. the guys who get on base, and the guys who knock home the runs are the most important.

Anyone can get a hit and drive in a run, yet some do consistently, and some don't.

Just like anyone can get on base, yet some do consistently, and some don't.

This is amazing. Your argument went from "Batting average and RBI are the most important stats in baseball" to "getting on base and home runs (power/total bases) are the most important" which is essentially WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME about on base percentage/slugging...

hahaha.

but just for giggles, lets look at how important Batting Average really is in terms of knocking in runs.

12 of the top 20 RBI guys last year hit below .300, the often-cited threshold for a high batting average. Two of the top 3 guys, Arod and Jose Bautista, hit .270 or less. It's not about average; its about getting on base and hitting for power (extra bases vs. singles) that are most important.

Stats don't lie.

Temo; you are absolutely right. After this guy's last post, he's gotta be trolling. No use in arguing with a troll.

 

[casmith07]

The Braves won last night - it was only the 2nd time in franchise history the Mets lost a game on a Balk-Off :laugh1:

 

[DIAF]

The Braves won last night - it was only the 2nd time in franchise history the Mets lost a game on a Balk-Off :laugh1:

It wasn't even a questionable balk call. As soon as the ump called it, DJ Carrasco walked right off the mound with no argument. lol mets

 

[CowboyDan]

Who's the best player on the Atlanta Braves?

 

[DIAF]

Brian McCann, Tommy Hanson, Johnny Venters are the three best players so far this year on the Bravos.

 

[CowboyDan]

Who's the best player on the Atlanta Braves?

Who's the best player? Which 1?

 

[DIAF]

Not sure. Hard choice. Either Venters or Hanson I guess. Venters is having an unreal season and has been the best reliever in baseball by a longshot. Hanson is leading the league in hits-per-9, striking out over a batter per, and a whip hovering around 1.