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Yes since AR is towards the end of his career and has a massive contract at $33.5M a year.So would you rather have Dak over AR?
Can instead use that $ for #1 WR, #2 WR, TE, etc.
Yes since AR is towards the end of his career and has a massive contract at $33.5M a year.So would you rather have Dak over AR?
Yes since AR is towards the end of his career and has a massive contract at $33.5M a year.
Can instead use that $ for #1 WR, #2 WR, TE, etc.
Yes, consistency is needed. But for so many of the Dak detractors , when Dak does poorly it's "that's what he is". When he does good, it's "well, it's just one game".
Can't have it both ways. Frankly I think the "that's what he is" has more evidence at this point, but the thing is, IF he can get better, how long will it take? Will Jerry keep him around and see if he can develop, or will he look at Dak at the end of the year and say "I don't think he'll get better".
Yes, consistency is needed. But for so many of the Dak detractors , when Dak does poorly it's "that's what he is". When he does good, it's "well, it's just one game".
Can't have it both ways. Frankly I think the "that's what he is" has more evidence at this point, but the thing is, IF he can get better, how long will it take? Will Jerry keep him around and see if he can develop, or will he look at Dak at the end of the year and say "I don't think he'll get better".
Problem #1: Dak ain't Aaron Rodgers.
That's really the question at this point. The best way to describe Dak is he is inconsistent and has been for the last two seasons. He can look good one game, he can look off the next. This year, alone, he's been good in 3, really bad in 3. Last year kind of plays out like that as well.
Personally, what would you do with Dak in terms of a contract? Would you sign him to a long term deal given what you've seen?
Certainly he can get better, or more specifically, get more consistent. But will he? And will he in time to warrant handing him a big contract?
No, but he doesn't have to be based on
He has skills, personally I think he can improve to the point that if the defense is solid and the running game is solid, he can play well enough to win a SB - sort of like Brad Johnson, e.g. But part of his skill set is running the ball, that will likely shorten his career as well as make him more likely to miss critical games.
I'd offer him a 4 year deal, heavily incentive based, but not top money. How much money? I don't know, maybe around $6 million a year. And put an option in that if he really improves, he can re-negotiate for a higher salary. If he truly believes he's good enough, or can be good enough, that type of contract let's him "bet on himself".
But nothing should be done until the end of this year....
lets not forget, he still didn't break the 200 yard barrier, even when he was trying, as he had an awful 3rd quarter....and a lot of his yards, came on broken plays, not designed plays and Jax not containing him.I'm not trying to have it both ways. I'm acknowledging that he played well vs Jax but after several bad to awful outings in a row, it's going to take more than just one good game to convince me and a lot of people
Otherwise people of my viewpoint are in a no-win situation because we have to keep saying Dak is awful and are unable to acknowledge his good performances when they happen. I don't want to do that, I want to just be able to accurately assess what I'm seeing on the field
noting that he played well yesterday and at the same time stating that this needs to become the rule rather than the exception is not having it both ways I think it's just an accurate assessment
I'm not trying to have it both ways. I'm acknowledging that he played well vs Jax but after several bad to awful outings in a row, it's going to take more than just one good game to convince me and a lot of people
Otherwise people of my viewpoint are in a no-win situation because we have to keep saying Dak is awful and are unable to acknowledge his good performances when they happen. I don't want to do that, I want to just be able to accurately assess what I'm seeing on the field
noting that he played well yesterday and at the same time stating that this needs to become the rule rather than the exception is not having it both ways I think it's just an accurate assessment
The Brad Johnson's of the world are few and far between when talking about a team with high level, consistent success.
$6MM a year? Backups make more than that. Mid-level QBs are making over $15MM a year. Tyrod Taylor is making like $15MM a year, for example. So now that you know you may have to pay Dak $15-20MM a year, how do you feel now?
And you highlighted where our difference is in this debate. I don't want a Brad Johnson type. I want a better QB than that. The Brad Johnson's of the world are few and far between when talking about a team with high level, consistent success.
Some quarterbacks making around $6 mil a year, from Over the Cap:
Jared Goff Rams $6,984,418
Carson Wentz Eagles $6,669,085
Jameis Winston Buccaneers $6,337,819
Marcus Mariota Titans $6,053,494
Of the quarterbacks $15 mil a year or more, the vast majority of them are long term NFL vets. Dak is in year 3, don't think even he would say he's earned that type of money.
Even going to $8-10 mil a year is doable if the contract is done right.
But to directly answer your question, no, Dak isn't worth $15-20 mil....
Huh?
Those are rookie contracts. They have no bearing here. Dak is on his rookie deal now and will be looking at his first vet contract in a season.
You aren't getting Dak for $8MM a year. Again, look at the average vet QB contract............ that's what Dak will be looking at earning.
I'd just prefer, if Dak gets better by the end of this year, to continue to build the defense and the o-line and get a better receiver, rather than start over new...
Nearly all of the vets making the $15 or more are long term vets, Dak is only in his 3rd year. And as far as "aren't getting Dak for $8 mil", if he's as terrible as most here say, he won't get over $8 mil anywhere else, right? So he plays for the $8 mil or goes to being out of the league...
I am not sure you understand how contracts work. Once a QB gets beyond his rookie deal, he gets paid way more than his rookie deal unless he just sucked and never amounted to anything.
Some quarterbacks making around $6 mil a year, from Over the Cap:
Jared Goff Rams $6,984,418
Carson Wentz Eagles $6,669,085
Jameis Winston Buccaneers $6,337,819
Marcus Mariota Titans $6,053,494
Of the quarterbacks $15 mil a year or more, the vast majority of them are long term NFL vets. Dak is in year 3, don't think even he would say he's earned that type of money.
Even going to $8-10 mil a year is doable if the contract is done right.
But to directly answer your question, no, Dak isn't worth $15-20 mil....