Audibles are a thing. This wasn't playcalling

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That was a actually a perfect pass to zeke just a better play by the defender.

on 2nd and 3rd you coulda literally ab sneaked it twice for the first
 

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Dak is 6-1 against top 5 defenses. He sure had alot of great games.

I remember yesteryear when we seemingly never audibled to runs or used checkdowns. Remember the GB Matt Flynn game? Lol
 

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The 4th down pass was on Dak. Bad play on his part.

Zeke wasn’t open because only good route-running RBs can get open on LBs, apparently.

Dak shouldn’t have forced it to him.

But I’m not blaming Dak for 2nd/3rd down. Horrific playcalls. Let him throw the ball.
 

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My point wasn't that the the play HAD to go to zeke. The point was some creativity in the offense can help free up those reciecers.

but I literally mentioned the Vikings being in Man Coverage and Amari being open underneath on a slant. No creativity is needed, the receiver was open. The pass shouldn’t have went to Zeke, that’s my point.
 

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The 4th down pass was on Dak. Bad play on his part.

Zeke wasn’t open because only good route-running RBs can get open on LBs, apparently.

Dak shouldn’t have forced it to him.

But I’m not blaming Dak for 2nd/3rd down. Horrific playcalls. Let him throw the ball.

Good assessment. As I have already stated Dakota played a damn good game but just like Romo, that one play overshadowed an excellent performance. I don’t like it applied to either player. Kind of like throwing 5 Td,s and losing 51 to 48 but basing a whole game on one throw. I was hyped to see him do well when facing the #7 defense and not those bottom feeder defenses
 

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Could Zeke have begged Dak for the ball? Dude was probably frustrated all game and wanted to be relevant.

Whatever the case, it was a monumental display of bad decision making in the last parts of that drive. A lot of that rests solely on the coaches, but Dak could have done something different if that was the play called.
However, with the way Dak played the rest of the game, he did enough to help the team win. Then with the decision to fair catch and the decision for short yardage passes instead of multiple hail mary attempts..... That's a lot of circumstantial evidence that leads to it being coaching blunders.... and make no mistake, with this team, coaching blunders costs the team AT LEAST 2 losses a season. Par for the course for a Garrett coached team.
 

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Most of you know my qualms with Dak Prescott and the prospect of paying him like a top-five quarterback. Forget that for now. Last night was not about that at all.

This isn't a Dak criticism post. I think the guy played really, really well last night. In fact, that's the best game I've ever seen him play by a mile. After a rocky start with an almost pick-six, he got himself together and played a tremendous game. Very, very good to see.

However, far too much focus is being placed on the play-calling at the end. Namely, the two run calls.

Any playcall can be cancelled with an audible. They are all the time. They are DESIGNED to be changed at the line of scrimmage based on looks or whatever.

If you remember, Tony Romo almost never ran the play that was sent in. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc, etc, etc....they audible more than they don't.

So it's dumb to blame last night on playcalling. It's lazy and mindless thinking. This team moves the ball just fine so far with Dak at the helm.

The second down run made sense with only two yards to gain and a need to drain the clock. The second run was silly against that front. You don't run a toss play with the defense lined up out wide like that. Disaster.

And then, was the 4th down play really designed to go to Zeke? Dak was NOT required to throw it there. That is not coaching. That's a quarterback decision. I'm looking for Cooper there, and if he's doubled or tripled, the big tight ends should have advantages.

Last night was a great game. The Cowboys defense and interior offensive line play was the biggest problem, but there were others. Many others. And Dak was part of that late blunder, too.

I have a hard time blaming playcalling when you've got the ball at the 9 yard line going in for a game winning touchdown in a should-be 31-28 victory.

The game was there to be won. Dak played great, but I think he could have handled that sequence much better. It's lazy thinking to blame Kellen Moore, and even more so to blame Jason Garrett. Celebrate Dak last night, as he deserves, but don't absolve him entirely. He shared in this loss, too.

This fan base obsesses over coaching and playcalling in excess because the majority of it can't dissect what it's watching. Same with the click-baiting, non-thinking media.
If an RPO was called on that stuffed running play on 3rd down, that was a bad play call. With the Vikings crashing the LOS with reckless abandon, there was no time to be jerking around with a read option play. Just drop back and throw the damn ball. It was the only thing that worked all night. Dak didn't play mistake free ball, but the coaches can't make the game more difficult by not recognizing success rates in critical moments.
 

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You do understand that the reason audibles exist is because a QB gets the opportunity to see the defense across the line of scrimmage and react to their alignment and movements and a guy on the sideline does not … right?

So, while I don't think the 2 runs was a good idea, let's not act as if the OC is supposed to be omniscient, and that there isn't a reason the QB is given the ability to audible.


I’m sick of the excuses for this coaching staff. Sick of them. It’s been long enough.

Im not asking the OC to be omniscient.

I’m asking the OC to NOT call plays that try to do something that has not worked ALL GAME LONG.

That’s not asking too much.
 

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I’m sick of the excuses for this coaching staff. Sick of them. It’s been long enough.

Im not asking the OC to be omniscient.

I’m asking the OC to NOT call plays that try to do something that has not worked ALL GAME LONG.

That’s not asking too much.
I'm not making an excuse, and in fact, I said I didn't like the play calls with the consecutive runs. But that doesn't justify acting as if a coach isn't doing his job if the QB decides to call an audible. Audibles are part of the game.
 

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I'm not making an excuse, and in fact, I said I didn't like the play calls with the consecutive runs. But that doesn't justify acting as if a coach isn't doing his job if the QB decides to call an audible. Audibles are part of the game.

Nowhere did I say a QB Audibling isn’t part of the game.
 

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Nowhere did I say a QB Audibling isn’t part of the game.

In response to the suggestion a poster made that Dak had the ability to audible, you disregarded that by saying the coach should call plays that work … as if the original call is supposed to be the ultimate decision and the audible shouldn't even be a factor.
 

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In response to the suggestion a poster made that Dak had the ability to audible, you disregarded that by saying the coach should call plays that work … as if the original call is supposed to be the ultimate decision and the audible shouldn't even be a factor.

Yeah that’s not what I meant.

what I meant was. All game long, there were plays that were working and plays that weren’t working.

with the game on the line, the coaches called plays that weren’t working, all game long.

that’s stupidity and inexcusable.

the coaches called the plays. The plays didn’t work. They have responsibility in that.
 

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Most of you know my qualms with Dak Prescott and the prospect of paying him like a top-five quarterback. Forget that for now. Last night was not about that at all.

This isn't a Dak criticism post. I think the guy played really, really well last night. In fact, that's the best game I've ever seen him play by a mile. After a rocky start with an almost pick-six, he got himself together and played a tremendous game. Very, very good to see.

However, far too much focus is being placed on the play-calling at the end. Namely, the two run calls.

Any playcall can be cancelled with an audible. They are all the time. They are DESIGNED to be changed at the line of scrimmage based on looks or whatever.

If you remember, Tony Romo almost never ran the play that was sent in. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc, etc, etc....they audible more than they don't.

So it's dumb to blame last night on playcalling. It's lazy and mindless thinking. This team moves the ball just fine so far with Dak at the helm.

The second down run made sense with only two yards to gain and a need to drain the clock. The second run was silly against that front. You don't run a toss play with the defense lined up out wide like that. Disaster.

And then, was the 4th down play really designed to go to Zeke? Dak was NOT required to throw it there. That is not coaching. That's a quarterback decision. I'm looking for Cooper there, and if he's doubled or tripled, the big tight ends should have advantages.

Last night was a great game. The Cowboys defense and interior offensive line play was the biggest problem, but there were others. Many others. And Dak was part of that late blunder, too.

I have a hard time blaming playcalling when you've got the ball at the 9 yard line going in for a game winning touchdown in a should-be 31-28 victory.

The game was there to be won. Dak played great, but I think he could have handled that sequence much better. It's lazy thinking to blame Kellen Moore, and even more so to blame Jason Garrett. Celebrate Dak last night, as he deserves, but don't absolve him entirely. He shared in this loss, too.

This fan base obsesses over coaching and playcalling in excess because the majority of it can't dissect what it's watching. Same with the click-baiting, non-thinking media.

One of the top problems last year was that Linehan called plays in the redzone that required Dak to hold the ball too long.

On 4th down in a game where he was pressured often, Dak has to look for a quick throw.

Also, it was Cobb that came open after the throw, not Cooper on that play.

Zeke did not run a good route. He made it too easy for the LB to cover him. A WR needs to run at the defender before making his cut. Zeke veered away from the defender before making his cut.

Dak didn't audible into those runs...
 

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Most of you know my qualms with Dak Prescott and the prospect of paying him like a top-five quarterback. Forget that for now. Last night was not about that at all.

This isn't a Dak criticism post. I think the guy played really, really well last night. In fact, that's the best game I've ever seen him play by a mile. After a rocky start with an almost pick-six, he got himself together and played a tremendous game. Very, very good to see.

However, far too much focus is being placed on the play-calling at the end. Namely, the two run calls.

Any playcall can be cancelled with an audible. They are all the time. They are DESIGNED to be changed at the line of scrimmage based on looks or whatever.

If you remember, Tony Romo almost never ran the play that was sent in. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc, etc, etc....they audible more than they don't.

So it's dumb to blame last night on playcalling. It's lazy and mindless thinking. This team moves the ball just fine so far with Dak at the helm.

The second down run made sense with only two yards to gain and a need to drain the clock. The second run was silly against that front. You don't run a toss play with the defense lined up out wide like that. Disaster.

And then, was the 4th down play really designed to go to Zeke? Dak was NOT required to throw it there. That is not coaching. That's a quarterback decision. I'm looking for Cooper there, and if he's doubled or tripled, the big tight ends should have advantages.

Last night was a great game. The Cowboys defense and interior offensive line play was the biggest problem, but there were others. Many others. And Dak was part of that late blunder, too.

I have a hard time blaming playcalling when you've got the ball at the 9 yard line going in for a game winning touchdown in a should-be 31-28 victory.

The game was there to be won. Dak played great, but I think he could have handled that sequence much better. It's lazy thinking to blame Kellen Moore, and even more so to blame Jason Garrett. Celebrate Dak last night, as he deserves, but don't absolve him entirely. He shared in this loss, too.

This fan base obsesses over coaching and playcalling in excess because the majority of it can't dissect what it's watching. Same with the click-baiting, non-thinking media.

It has gotten so ridicules here with the Dak-Employees that they care more about how Dak played then the fact that yesterday's loss will cost us the playoffs.

P.S. When we lose its everyone's fault except Dak's.....
 

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Im not to interested in any stats between now and 1996. None of those stats have taken us to a Superbowl. None, not one, not any, zilch.
 

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One of the top problems last year was that Linehan called plays in the redzone that required Dak to hold the ball too long.

On 4th down in a game where he was pressured often, Dak has to look for a quick throw.

Also, it was Cobb that came open after the throw, not Cooper on that play.

Zeke did not run a good route. He made it too easy for the LB to cover him. A WR needs to run at the defender before making his cut. Zeke veered away from the defender before making his cut.

Dak didn't audible into those runs...
Cobb was open before the throw (and I said I would have looked for Cooper first, not that he came open) and Dak could have audibles out of thre throws. That was the whole point.
 

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However, far too much focus is being placed on the play-calling at the end. Namely, the two run calls.

Any playcall can be cancelled with an audible. They are all the time. They are DESIGNED to be changed at the line of scrimmage based on looks or whatever.

If you remember, Tony Romo almost never ran the play that was sent in. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc, etc, etc....they audible more than they don't.

So it's dumb to blame last night on playcalling. It's lazy and mindless thinking. This team moves the ball just fine so far with Dak at the helm.

Tony was eventually an OC on the field. There aren't a lot of QBs who can do that, no matter their experience.

Audibles are *designed* into plays based on looks. They're decision trees for Dak. If A, then B.

Audibles based on "whatever" are the exception, not the rule.

Expecting Dak to bail out bad play calling with improvisational play calling of his own on the field in real time is expecting too much of Dak, and absolving the coaches of any responsibility to send in good plays in the first place.
 

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Every playcall has multiple options. Once you get to the line and see the defensive look, you make changes. Brees and Brady change almost EVERY play at the line. Romo did that. All elite quarterbacks do.

Not all QBs are Brees, Brady, or even Tony, and even *they* weren't OCs on the field after only 4 years in the league.
 
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