AUDIO: Brad Sham calls Marty B out

[peplaw06]

In other words, it is... When you throw it 15 plus times at Champ Bailey and are asked about it at the end of the game, you say things politically correct... what is he going to say? yeah I targetted Champ Bailey and looked like an idiot for doing so, because we failed everytime we tried to throw against him.. that's around how many times Garrett threw to TO per game, per the anti-TO crowd?

Your original post said that Garrett was saying that he was continuously targeting Champ. He didn't say that. If he doesn't say it, you can't claim he said it. Pretty simple really.

 

[Rampage]

2008 season, Dallas Cowboys in terms of total yards by offense:

487 yards, 380 yards, 453 yards, 344 yards, 373 yards... and we all know how that went..

what games are those numbers from?

 

[khiladi]

Your original post said that Garrett was saying that he was continuously targeting Champ. He didn't say that. If he doesn't say it, you can't claim he said it. Pretty simple really.

OK you win.. Hip-hip horray...

Now since we moved on past that, Garrett was still an idiot for targetting Champ Bailey, despite being politically correct. 15 times is about that's around how many times Garrett threw to TO per game, per the anti-TO crowd? How about this one? When Romo doesn't throw to certain people, it's because he hasn't yet earned their trust... but when it comes to TO, it's because TO is forcing Garrett to..

I know it must bother you, because Garrett has shown himself pretty much inept this whole year and now your looking quite ridiculous for defending him..

 

[khiladi]

what games are those numbers from?

First four games of last season... Garrett starts off quicck.. the problem is, when he plays a team the second time, he blows, especially the Eagles. Jimmy Johnson would pretty much knew what was coming... Even in Garrett's grand year of arrival, he put up 38 the first time against the Eagles, but the second time only 6. The Eagles knew Barber was their check-down and pretty much took him away. Romo couldn't find anybody after the deep route was taken, and the outlet to Barber was gone.

Nolan said the same thing this year against Denver, because when Romo's first option is taken, he usually goes to his running back as a check-down. And we all know who calls the progressions...

I don't know how many times defenses called him out. By the end of the year, the offense pretty much relied on Romo keeping plays alive on his feet and the offense moving at a frantic pace. Even if we look this year, his Y/A goes up in the 4th quarter and he hasn't thrown an INT.

 

[Rampage]

First four games of last season... Garrett starts off quicck.. the problem is, when he plays a team the second time, he blows, especially the Eagles. Jimmy Johnson would pretty much knew what was coming... Even in Garrett's grand year of arrival, he put up 38 the first time against the Eagles, but the second time only 6. The Eagles knew Barber was their check-down and pretty much took him away. Romo couldn't find anybody after the deep route was taken, and the outlet to Barber was gone.

Nolan said the same thing this year against Denver, because when Romo's first option is taken, he usually goes to his running back as a check-down. And we all know who calls the progressions...

I don't know how many times defenses called him out. By the end of the year, the offense pretty much relied on Romo keeping plays alive on his feet and the offense moving at a frantic pace. Even if we look this year, his Y/A goes up in the 4th quarter and he hasn't thrown an INT.

I noticed that. during the 1st eagles game last year Philly played a very basic defense. than in the second meeting they brought the heat. I noticed during the 1st Giants game this year it was mostly a 4 man rush. I fear they will blitz the crap out of us in the 2nd meeting and whoop us bad. only time will tell though it doesn't look good.

 

[peplaw06]

OK you win.. Hip-hip horray...

Now since we moved on past that, Garrett was still an idiot for targetting Champ Bailey, despite being politically correct. 15 times is about that's around how many times Garrett threw to TO per game, per the anti-TO crowd? How about this one? When Romo doesn't throw to certain people, it's because he hasn't yet earned their trust... but when it comes to TO, it's because TO is forcing Garrett to..

I know it must bother you, because Garrett has shown himself pretty much inept this whole year and now your looking quite ridiculous for defending him..

I know man.... #1 offense type inept.

 

[ROUSH8692]

Dude, did Garrett do your girl or something?

To say the passing game looks "pathetic" is not accurate at all. What would it look like if Romo hadnt thrown those awful picks or missed those wide open receivers? Thats stuff that has nothing to do with whoever is calling plays. Sunday was the first time this yr Romo threw most of his passes with accuracy and the results were obvious.

As for the talent thing, unfortunately some of our talent got hurt. Losing Felix Jones is huge. Barber is nowhere close to 100%. Romo threw for 350 yds or so Sunday without Roy Williams out there. with these guys back healthy the offense is probably going to look alot different assuming Romo continues to throw the ball the way he did vs KC.

did his mom

 

[TNCowboy]

He was the guy that championed Brad Johnson as a backup

He was the guy that went an entire game without giving Felix Jones a carry

He was the guy that continued to go with Marion Barber, instead of Tashard Choice, the obvious hot hand

He is the one that devises game plans where you attack Pro Bowl corners each and every chance you get

He is the one that throws consecutive lobs to Martellus Bennett when it is completely unnecessary

He is the one that needed 5 games into the 2009 Season to see just what Miles Austin brings to the table

Jason Garrett has been atrocious and has benefited from 3 teams on the Schedule that are combined 1-14.

Folks need to use what they see on the field as a gauge, rather than looking at stat sheets

The Cowboys had the number 1 defense in 2003 and I don't think anyone on this board at the time really bought into it

Once again, post of the day.

 

[theebs]

Once again, post of the day.

Yes, except most of it is factually incorrect.

This being a messageboard though, that doesnt really matter.

 

[TNCowboy]

Here is the actual pregame audio. Brad says it in passing, which means john garrett probably told him bennett isnt working hard enough. A big to do about nothing. It's at the 5:40 mark.

It's a huge deal. A player you were counting on is regressing because he basically doesn't care enough to work hard?

 

[TNCowboy]

Yes, except most of it is factually incorrect.

This being a messageboard though, that doesnt really matter.

No it wasn't. Unless you're a complete homer, who can't be reasoned with.

 

[theebs]

No it wasn't. Unless you're a complete homer, who can't be reasoned with.

I am not a homer by any stretch and its factually incorrect.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I'm reminded of a story I read about Bill Belichick and how much he hates his players blabbering away to the media. When Brandon Merriweather was a rookie, he was quoted in the New York Times that he thought Wes Welker was the best slot WR in the NFL. Bill Belichick came into the morning meeting with a copy of the article, read off the quote in front of the team, slammed down the paper and yelled "WHO THE #@$ IS BRANDON MERRIWEATHER, WHAT THE @#!% DOES HE KNOW ABOUT THE NFL AND WHY THE #@!% IS HE GIVING HIS OPINION TO THE MEDIA?"

You can pretty much substitute Brandon Merriweather for Martellus Bennett and you have my feelings on the issue.

 

[wileedog]

The retention of Brad Johnson was a personnel decision, the responsibility for which falls on Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips, not Jason Garrett.

Its been widely quoted that Garrett pushed for Johnson, and Jerry relented.

Wade has nothing to do with the decision, he doesn't even pay attention to the offense.

Unquestionably, this was a legitimate mistake from Garrett. However, there was a reason Felix Jones was overlooked, and that reason is now in Buffalo.

I dislike TO as much as the next guy, but to use him as an excuse to not get one of your best playmakers on the field? Even once?

C'mon.

If you're going to blame Garret for Brad Johnson, you must also credit him for TO's release.

I don't think those two decisions have anything to do with one another. Backup QB vs. cutting a $9M WR and one of the biggest offensive producers on the team? Sorry that is all Jerry, no one else gets to make that decision.

Barber is better at picking up rushers than Choice. Furthermore, Choice wasn't overly effective until late in the game -- because his legs were fresh due to the carries Barber had received early in the game.

This is just false.

Choice had two runs the entire first half that went for 5 yards and 4 yards. I would call that effective.

Barber had 6 runs in the first half that were for 3 yards or less.

He was clearly feeding the ball to a less effective, injured RB. And continued to do it in the 2nd half and OT even after Choice started ripping off long runs.

And there was absolutely nothing wrong with the game plan against Denver. Poor execution by the players, not Garrett, prevented it from being more effective.

Once again, it's a matter of execution.

Personally I would come up with a game plan that avoided the Pro Bowl CB and targeted the smaller, less talented guy on the other side, but perhaps I'm just being logical.

Either way, Garrett was flat out outcoached in the Denver game.

For whatever flaws may exist in stat sheets, they're still infinitely superior to the anecdotal evidence that you're providing, which is entirely bereft of context.

I would say you're the one throwing out anecdotes and flawed assumptions actually.

 

[visionary]

I'm reminded of a story I read about Bill Belichick and how much he hates his players blabbering away to the media. When Brandon Merriweather was a rookie, he was quoted in the New York Times that he thought Wes Welker was the best slot WR in the NFL. Bill Belichick came into the morning meeting with a copy of the article, read off the quote in front of the team, slammed down the paper and yelled "WHO THE #@$ IS BRANDON MERRIWEATHER, WHAT THE @#!% DOES HE KNOW ABOUT THE NFL AND WHY THE #@!% IS HE GIVING HIS OPINION TO THE MEDIA?"

You can pretty much substitute Brandon Merriweather for Martellus Bennett and you have my feelings on the issue.

agree 100%
MartyB is the definition of what is wrong with this team, all bark and no bite.

 

[theebs]

agree 100%
MartyB is the definition of what is wrong with this team, all bark and no bite.

thats not true though. He is playing well, he just hasnt become the threat in the passing game yet. ANd much like austin was last year, he is far down the pecking order and it is hard to get the ball to the 4th or 5th option.

the problem most of us have with martyb, is that he gets enabled to go and run around in the media. It would be nice to just have him be quiet in the media.

as far as him working hard, none of us could no that. THe only thing we know is that bennett said himself he missed most of his blitz pickups last year and that he is spending more time on it this year. Now we heard Brad sham drop the he has regressed in the classroom comment, so maybe his coaches are trying to send him a message through the media.

Brad sham spends lots of time on the field before games talking to john garrett, bennett's position coach, so maybe they feel marty b needs to spend some more time off the field. I dont know.

I think his attitude is good in the locker room, for me personally I just dont like that a young guy who has done nothing is this movie star off the field.

 

[visionary]

thats not true though. He is playing well, he just hasnt become the threat in the passing game yet. ANd much like austin was last year, he is far down the pecking order and it is hard to get the ball to the 4th or 5th option.

the problem most of us have with martyb, is that he gets enabled to go and run around in the media. It would be nice to just have him be quiet in the media.

as far as him working hard, none of us could no that. THe only thing we know is that bennett said himself he missed most of his blitz pickups last year and that he is spending more time on it this year. Now we heard Brad sham drop the he has regressed in the classroom comment, so maybe his coaches are trying to send him a message through the media.

Brad sham spends lots of time on the field before games talking to john garrett, bennett's position coach, so maybe they feel marty b needs to spend some more time off the field. I dont know.

I think his attitude is good in the locker room, for me personally I just dont like that a young guy who has done nothing is this movie star off the field.

i will take your word for it theebs
would just like to see some actual production
when i hear things like "poor work ethic" and "needs to learn the playbook" that concerns me

 

[wileedog]

thats not true though. He is playing well, he just hasnt become the threat in the passing game yet. ANd much like austin was last year, he is far down the pecking order and it is hard to get the ball to the 4th or 5th option.

My theory is he has the same problem Roy has - as mentioned in the audio he is just not a good route runner and Romo doesn't trust him to be where he is supposed to be.

Exhibit A was the fade pattern in the end zone. He got himself completely spun around and obviously just took the wrong route to the ball. He wasn't within 5 yards of where the ball landed and although Tony's had some accuracy issues this year there is no way he is that far off on a 2 yard fade.

I'm never a fan of guys who show up and run their mouths before they do anything, and this guy is the poster child.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Its been widely quoted that Garrett pushed for Johnson, and Jerry relented.

Wade has nothing to do with the decision, he doesn't even pay attention to the offense.

Irrelevant.

Garrett does not make personnel decisions. If he did, his perspective would most likely change.

I dislike TO as much as the next guy, but to use him as an excuse to not get one of your best playmakers on the field? Even once?

C'mon.

It's not an excuse. I've already conceded that Garrett made a poor decision by not utilizing Felix against Washington last season. I'm simply pointing out the reason for such a decision, and that reason now resides in Buffalo.

I don't think those two decisions have anything to do with one another. Backup QB vs. cutting a $9M WR and one of the biggest offensive producers on the team? Sorry that is all Jerry, no one else gets to make that decision.

Now you're being disingenuous. All personnel decisions are ultimately made by Jerry, regardless of whether they involve the back up QB or a $9M receiver.

As I recall, it's also been "widely quoted" that Garrett lobbied for TO's release. It's highly disingenuous to blame Garrett for poor personnel decisions, and then fail to credit him for the good ones.

You can't have it both ways.

This is just false.

Choice had two runs the entire first half that went for 5 yards and 4 yards. I would call that effective.

Barber had 6 runs in the first half that were for 3 yards or less.

He was clearly feeding the ball to a less effective, injured RB. And continued to do it in the 2nd half and OT even after Choice started ripping off long runs.

Have you considered why Choice was so effective in the second half when he gained 83 yards on just 6 carries? Have you considered that his phenomenal production might have had something to do with fresh legs?

Personally I would come up with a game plan that avoided the Pro Bowl CB and targeted the smaller, less talented guy on the other side, but perhaps I'm just being logical.

Either way, Garrett was flat out outcoached in the Denver game.

When your opinion disagrees with those who have actually played game (i.e. Troy Aikman), I wouldn't deem it "logical" in the least.

I would say you're the one throwing out anecdotes and flawed assumptions actually.

You should probably look up the meaning of anecdotal evidence because I've offered none. And I have yet to make any assumptions. I've only offered up the raw statistical fact that the Cowboys' offense is ranked number one in the league -- a fact for which Jason Garrett deserves some credit.

There's absolutely nothing anecdotal or assumption-riddled about that.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Oh lordy, here comes the "Troy Aikman agrees with my opinion, so anything else must be wrong".

Troy Aikman thought Drew Henson was going to be good.