Audio: Riveting Charles Haley interview on BaD Radio

[jem88]

I know what he meant.

But after hearing about the type of guy Haley is (locker room behavior, how big of a **** he was), that's not the kind of players I want on this team, regardless of how badass he was on the field.

I would have Charles Haley in a second. The impact he made upon arrival in Dallas was immense. Best pass rusher I've ever seen.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Charles Haley was a better pass rusher than Too Tall IMO with all due respect.

Agreed.

Too Tall was great vs the run and good rushing the passer, but he wasn't in the same class as some of the other DE's Dallas has had over the years.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Haley may not even be in the top five. I could argue either way. Randy White was as good. Jethro Pugh maybe. Too Tall is in there. I'm probably forgetting someone.

That's the problem trying to compare DT's and DE's.

Randy White, Bob Lilly and how soon we forget... La'Roi Glover who was one of the all-time great pass rushers from the DT position.

 

[Sarge]

Agreed.

Too Tall was great vs the run and good rushing the passer, but he wasn't in the same class as some of the other DE's Dallas has had over the years.

Yep - same for Randy White. Tremendous player, but from a pass rushing standpoint only, not as good as Charles.

 

[Sarge]

That's the problem trying to compare DT's and DE's.

Randy White, Bob Lilly and how soon we forget... La'Roi Glover who was one of the all-time great pass rushers from the DT position.

.....yeppers.

 

[jterrell]

Haley averaged less sacks per year as a Dallas Cowboy then Greg Ellis.

He hit double digits twice and had a high of 12 sacks.
Anyone claiming he is as good a pass rusher as Demarcus Ware as a Cowboy is living in lala-land.


I have nothing personal against Haley but he's one of the most overrated Cowboys of all time. He wasn't healthy here and just didn't have a huge impact. We had the best DL in the game with or without him.

All that said his career body of work is definitely deserving of the Hall of Fame and he was amongst the best pass rushers of all-time. Its just that his best work was done elsewhere.

Haley has definitely mellowed now and he tries to stay employed in the game. There are plenty of stories out there validated by former players as to his "exploits" and he wasn't teammate friendly at all.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Haley averaged less sacks per year as a Dallas Cowboy then Greg Ellis.

He hit double digits twice and had a high of 12 sacks.
Anyone claiming he is as good a pass rusher as Demarcus Ware as a Cowboy is living in lala-land.


I have nothing personal against Haley but he's one of the most overrated Cowboys of all time. He wasn't healthy here and just didn't have a huge impact. We had the best DL in the game with or without him.

All that said his career body of work is definitely deserving of the Hall of Fame and he was amongst the best pass rushers of all-time. Its just that his best work was done elsewhere.

Haley has definitely mellowed now and he tries to stay employed in the game. There are plenty of stories out there validated by former players as to his "exploits" and he wasn't teammate friendly at all.

Well said.

The great thing about that defensive line of the early 90's is that you had guys that were above average at their positions... Haley, Tolbert, Casillas, Maryland, Hennings. And then there was Jeffcoat and Jimmie Jones who were very good situational pass rushers.

 

[dcfanatic]

Haley averaged less sacks per year as a Dallas Cowboy then Greg Ellis.

He hit double digits twice and had a high of 12 sacks.
Anyone claiming he is as good a pass rusher as Demarcus Ware as a Cowboy is living in lala-land.


I have nothing personal against Haley but he's one of the most overrated Cowboys of all time. He wasn't healthy here and just didn't have a huge impact. We had the best DL in the game with or without him.

All that said his career body of work is definitely deserving of the Hall of Fame and he was amongst the best pass rushers of all-time. Its just that his best work was done elsewhere.

Haley has definitely mellowed now and he tries to stay employed in the game. There are plenty of stories out there validated by former players as to his "exploits" and he wasn't teammate friendly at all.

The man was unblockable in some games.

And it wasn't all about getting sacks. He used to force teams to throw way before they wanted to because they knew he was coming.

That early 90's defense was elevated to another level when he arrived. Before that Jeffcoat and Tolbert were the best pass rushers we had and he was much better than either of them.

He chased QB's right into the arms of those two guys many times.

 

[DallasEast]

Slightly off-topic...

There are plenty of video reference sources like NFL Films, the internet, classic NFL Network & ESPN replays, etc., along with retired players and coaches retrospectives, from previous decades. A lot.

FYI, young fans. The NFL didn't start playing games in the 1990's. If your entire personal perspective about a particular player or team is only what you've seen live on television since the Jimmy Johnson years, you don't have enough to go on.

For example, to say that Charles Haley was a better pass rusher than Harvey Martin, simply because you only saw Haley play, doesn't place you in a very favorable debating position. You only see half the picture. You don't have all the data. All the pistons aren't firing at the same time.

Excuse the rant, but a lot of great players are constantly dissed by younger fans simply because they just don't know who they were or what impact they had on the game.

/rant

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Slightly off-topic...

There are plenty of video reference sources like NFL Films, the internet, classic NFL Network & ESPN replays, etc., along with retired players and coaches retrospectives, from previous decades. A lot.

FYI, young fans. The NFL didn't start playing games in the 1990's. If your entire personal perspective about a particular player or team is only what you've seen live on television since the Jimmy Johnson years, you don't have enough to go on.

For example, to say that Charles Haley was a better pass rusher than Harvey Martin, simply because you only saw Haley play, doesn't place you in a very favorable debating position. You only see half the picture. You don't have all the data. All the pistons aren't firing at the same time.

Excuse the rant, but a lot of great players are constantly dissed by younger fans simply because they just don't know who they were or what impact they had on the game.

/rant

 

[2much2soon]

The man was unblockable in some games.

And it wasn't all about getting sacks. He used to force teams to throw way before they wanted to because they knew he was coming.

That early 90's defense was elevated to another level when he arrived. Before that Jeffcoat and Tolbert were the best pass rushers we had and he was much better than either of them.

He chased QB's right into the arms of those two guys many times.

And Haley played big in big games.

He wasn't some shrinking violet who disappeared when the games got important. He looked like an on-field leader who most of the players feared which is why the defense got so much better after he showed up (and why Jimmy brought him in).

He wasn't just along for the ride in (how many, 6?) SBs with SF and Dallas. He was a huge part of all those teams, except maybe the last one in Dallas when he was hurt.

I have been a Dallas fan since the early '70s but I am not going to play the nostalgia game and say Haley wasn't the equal of Harvey Martin.

 

[jterrell]

The man was unblockable in some games.

And it wasn't all about getting sacks. He used to force teams to throw way before they wanted to because they knew he was coming.

That early 90's defense was elevated to another level when he arrived. Before that Jeffcoat and Tolbert were the best pass rushers we had and he was much better than either of them.

He chased QB's right into the arms of those two guys many times.

sigh... it's really sad when otherwise intelligent people post nonsense because they are lazy.

Dallas had the best collection of talent in football in 1992 and 1993. Haley was a situational guy that rotated along with everyone else on those DLs.

Haley had significantly less pass rush stats AND less tackles than he had in SF. Mostly because he wasn't 100% healthy. He started ONLY 11 games in 1993 and 24 between 92/93 when Dallas at their best. Haley's BEST as a Cowboy came after we started losing guys in free agency and as the overall team was slightly declining in 94/95. Also as Jimmy left and he rotated out less.

Again Haley was perceived to be far better than he actually was here.
What he was however was a good pass rusher stolen from our main competition and that made getting him a big move.

All you have to do is look to the gamelogs and see Tolbert et al had the same sack totals on average in games Haley missed as the ones he did not. And because he missed a far amount of games it isn't some tiny sample.

Dallas was drafting insanely well and guys like Jimmie Jones et al played the best football of their lives in that short window as pure pass rushers with or without Haley which tend to happen when they can play every 3rd play and pin their ears back because the offense was always ahead.

 

[jterrell]

And Haley played big in big games.

He wasn't some shrinking violet who disappeared when the games got important. He looked like an on-field leader who most of the players feared which is why the defense got so much better after he showed up (and why Jimmy brought him in).

He wasn't just along for the ride in (how many, 6?) SBs with SF and Dallas. He was a huge part of all those teams, except maybe the last one in Dallas when he was hurt.

I have been a Dallas fan since the early '70s but I am not going to play the nostalgia game and say Haley wasn't the equal of Harvey Martin.

So did all the 1992.1993 Cowboys... you don't win Super Bowls by 30 points if guys are shrinking violets. Did Haley win any NFL wide awards as a Cowboy? He was All-Pro in 1994 and a Pro Bowler in 94/85... that was his award total as a Cowboy. 92,93 and 96 he didn't even make the Pro Bowl. And his 6 sacks in 1992 and 4 sacks for 1993 were horrendously low and only surpassed by being hurt all year basically in 1996. Otherwise they were career worst seasons.

What Dallas tried to do back then was save Haley and keep his back in decent enough shape for the big games. He played by far his fewest snaps per season as a pro there until the very end of his career.

 

[Daudr]

Slightly off-topic...

There are plenty of video reference sources like NFL Films, the internet, classic NFL Network & ESPN replays, etc., along with retired players and coaches retrospectives, from previous decades. A lot.

FYI, young fans. The NFL didn't start playing games in the 1990's. If your entire personal perspective about a particular player or team is only what you've seen live on television since the Jimmy Johnson years, you don't have enough to go on.

For example, to say that Charles Haley was a better pass rusher than Harvey Martin, simply because you only saw Haley play, doesn't place you in a very favorable debating position. You only see half the picture. You don't have all the data. All the pistons aren't firing at the same time.

Excuse the rant, but a lot of great players are constantly dissed by younger fans simply because they just don't know who they were or what impact they had on the game.

/rant

:bravo:

 

[BAT]

Haley brought an edge to that D. The leadership, intimidation and accountability he instilled in that D took it to another level. Stats are not always indicative of reality, ask any Cowboy player from the 90's, to a man they will tell you that Haley was more than just sacks, he had intangibles that elevated the Cowboys' performance and confidence.

That said, Too Mean was the better pass rusher. But a player like Haley would definitely improve the current Cowboys D. It lacks a killer instinct, Haley brought that in spades.

So did all the 1992.1993 Cowboys... you don't win Super Bowls by 30 points if guys are shrinking violets. Did Haley win any NFL wide awards as a Cowboy? He was All-Pro in 1994 and a Pro Bowler in 94/85... that was his award total as a Cowboy. 92,93 and 96 he didn't even make the Pro Bowl. And his 6 sacks in 1992 and 4 sacks for 1993 were horrendously low and only surpassed by being hurt all year basically in 1996. Otherwise they were career worst seasons.

What Dallas tried to do back then was save Haley and keep his back in decent enough shape for the big games. He played by far his fewest snaps per season as a pro there until the very end of his career.

 

[icyhot]

That's the problem trying to compare DT's and DE's.

Randy White, Bob Lilly and how soon we forget... La'Roi Glover who was one of the all-time great pass rushers from the DT position.

Great Fraternity Brother along with Jay Ratliff