Available Cap Space

[gjkoeppen]

We should accelerate some of next year’s money into this year and use up the entire cap. Or just sign Everson Griffen to a one year deal.

No team will use up it's entire cap if at all possible because of possible injuries during the season and they may need to sign a player(s) to replace them.
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[gjkoeppen]

Ok. Lets say they did that instead of playing under the tag. And assuming the salary cap goes up like usual.

Year 1 is great.at 13.5 with 198 million dollar Salcap.
year 2 is 33.5 million with a 210 million dollar cap. That's 16% of the cap.
Year 3 is 37.5 million with a 220 million dollar cap. That's 17% of the cap.
Year 4 is 47.5 Million with a 231 million dollar cap. That's 20% of the cap.

In a case like this you'd probably have to restructure year 4 with any extension.

Except most of the team capologoists believe the cap will be smaller next year because of the current conditions. There will be no preseason games so that means there will be no TV money for those and the owners have been talking about taking that reduction out of next years cap. The players want it spread out over several years like bonuses on players contracts, but the owners want to just get it done and over with.
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[Flamma]

Except most of the team capologoists believe the cap will be smaller next year because of the current conditions. There will be no preseason games so that means there will be no TV money for those and the owners have been talking about taking that reduction out of next years cap. The players want it spread out over several years like bonuses on players contracts, but the owners want to just get it done and over with.
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Couldn't agree more. At best the cap would stay the same if they chose to borrow against future caps. I was proceeding as if everything was normal.

But if they just get it over with like you said, tagging Dak was a very smart move.

 

[jterrell]

Ok. Lets say they did that instead of playing under the tag. And assuming the salary cap goes up like usual.

Year 1 is great.at 13.5 with 198 million dollar Salcap.
year 2 is 33.5 million with a 210 million dollar cap. That's 16% of the cap.
Year 3 is 37.5 million with a 220 million dollar cap. That's 17% of the cap.
Year 4 is 47.5 Million with a 231 million dollar cap. That's 20% of the cap.

In a case like this you'd probably have to restructure year 4 with any extension.

yup. exactly right.
most players don't see the final year of any large contract.
the numbers are always tilted to make that unfeasable.
Dak forcing DAL to go 4 year's really just means a quicker re-up but also does DAL a favor in that you get a bounce on a re-up that lowers cap hits again.

for instance let's say in year 4 they sign a 4 year extension. to make it a new 5 year deal.
They give him 60M SB and an avg of 42.5M per season.--numbers go up like crazy...

But year 4 becomes
12.5 former SB, 12 new SB, 2M new base.
26.5M of 231M cap...

year 5 may be 12 + say 25M for year base.
37M but of ~243M cap.

they can do a scheduled restructure to lower base again in say year year 6 to lower cap hit again.
take a fairly large year 7 cap hit then repeat year 4 shenanigans in year 8 or release/trade.

 

[jterrell]

Argh, I get that but doesnt it mean that the 5m per season becomes guaranteed against the CAP, so in effect paying him 27m per year?

Would Coop demand that other monies owed in 22-24 are converted into guaranteed money in exchange for his cooperation in 2021 (not that that's a bad thing).

If this is the case i'm beginning to like the way we structure contracts....though as you correctly say you can only go to the well so many times (i see the Eagles and Saints are going to have to restructure quite a bit next year).

all that is correct.
once you flip a guy you are causing hard hits in future years so it will come to bear at some point.
all money paid to a player eventually gets a cost.

and yup a player can be obstinate, tony romo was, when knowing the team needs the restructure.
dallas mightily overpaid romo on his last deal because they had no choice but to extend him or dump him and not compete.
make no mistake stephen jones was probably the loudest voice for releasing romo when dak had a great rookie year.

 

[jterrell]

Except most of the team capologoists believe the cap will be smaller next year because of the current conditions. There will be no preseason games so that means there will be no TV money for those and the owners have been talking about taking that reduction out of next years cap. The players want it spread out over several years like bonuses on players contracts, but the owners want to just get it done and over with.
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pre-season money is a tiny slice of the pie. games are lightly watched.
and yes season ticket holders get billed for 2 games but nfl owners will simply charge the same fee for less games as they know the pre-season games were trash anyway.

the entire league is going to 2 pre-season games permanently before long.
Owners spend a lot of money carrying the larger rosters, making injury settlements with guys who'll never suit again and the like.
revenue will fall a bit this year but there is a chance for smart teams to add revenue streams that stick around after the pandemic like paid app that streams inside the locker room before/after games and such.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They get a new streaming deal in 2023 that is already projected at 3x the current TV deals.

 

[Flamma]

yup. exactly right.
most players don't see the final year of any large contract.
the numbers are always tilted to make that unfeasable.
Dak forcing DAL to go 4 year's really just means a quicker re-up but also does DAL a favor in that you get a bounce on a re-up that lowers cap hits again.

for instance let's say in year 4 they sign a 4 year extension. to make it a new 5 year deal.
They give him 60M SB and an avg of 42.5M per season.--numbers go up like crazy...

But year 4 becomes
12.5 former SB, 12 new SB, 2M new base.
26.5M of 231M cap...

year 5 may be 12 + say 25M for year base.
37M but of ~243M cap.

they can do a scheduled restructure to lower base again in say year year 6 to lower cap hit again.
take a fairly large year 7 cap hit then repeat year 4 shenanigans in year 8 or release/trade.

Yep. I actually envisioned it a lot worse. Even the 4 years. It's not perfect, but it's only 2 slightly high years. Pretty much on par with about 10-11 other quarterbacks.

 

[gjkoeppen]

pre-season money is a tiny slice of the pie. games are lightly watched.
and yes season ticket holders get billed for 2 games but nfl owners will simply charge the same fee for less games as they know the pre-season games were trash anyway.

the entire league is going to 2 pre-season games permanently before long.
Owners spend a lot of money carrying the larger rosters, making injury settlements with guys who'll never suit again and the like.
revenue will fall a bit this year but there is a chance for smart teams to add revenue streams that stick around after the pandemic like paid app that streams inside the locker room before/after games and such.

First off there are usually 3 games each week during preseason that are televised on national TV which the networks pay to broadcast them that won't be paid for this preseason. It doesn't matter how lightly watched you think they are watched because the amount has already been negotiated when the current TV contracts were negotiated and signed. Yes it's tiny compared to what they make off all orf the season games they broadcast, but the money teams get for broadcasting preseason games is much more than what you think it is. Then all of the games televised locally and in the visiting teams location by their local channels which won't be paid this preseason either. As far as there only being 2 preseason games in the future both times that was discussed the discussion was tabled which means there wasn't enough votes to get that done. When the owners have brought that up they have gotten hard push back from their coaches on that.

At this point the capologists on the teams already know as it stands right now how much money they will be short for the cap and as long as at least one season game is played, the owners will be on the hook to have to play their players contracts. The owners are trying to negotiate how much of the contracts they must pay and if they fail, they know that the lost revenues they have because of no preseason will have to come from their part of the pie to pay those contracts. It is this that the owners are saying that whatever that amount is, will be taken off the top of next years cap revenue and then the percentage split according to the CBA for the remainder. That means that there will be a smaller cap next season.

As far as your idea of paid apps in the locker rooms after games, if you actually kept up, with things from several years ago you would know that when teams return to the locker rooms after the game they have a couple minutes where things are said before they start undressing and hitting the showers. Because of the uproar because of female reporters in the locker room, all reporters have 5 minutes after those first couple minutes when the coaches talk and they hand out game balls for reporters to get interviews and after that 5 minutes is up all reporters and cameras have to leave the locker room so they can shower. Since reporters are allowed in for those first few minutes and then all have to leave, why would anyone pay for an app to get what everyone else sees for free.
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[jterrell]

First off there are usually 3 games each week during preseason that are televised on national TV which the networks pay to broadcast them that won't be paid for this preseason. It doesn't matter how lightly watched you think they are watched because the amount has already been negotiated when the current TV contracts were negotiated and signed. Yes it's tiny compared to what they make off all orf the season games they broadcast, but the money teams get for broadcasting preseason games is much more than what you think it is. Then all of the games televised locally and in the visiting teams location by their local channels which won't be paid this preseason either. As far as there only being 2 preseason games in the future both times that was discussed the discussion was tabled which means there wasn't enough votes to get that done. When the owners have brought that up they have gotten hard push back from their coaches on that.

At this point the capologists on the teams already know as it stands right now how much money they will be short for the cap and as long as at least one season game is played, the owners will be on the hook to have to play their players contracts. The owners are trying to negotiate how much of the contracts they must pay and if they fail, they know that the lost revenues they have because of no preseason will have to come from their part of the pie to pay those contracts. It is this that the owners are saying that whatever that amount is, will be taken off the top of next years cap revenue and then the percentage split according to the CBA for the remainder. That means that there will be a smaller cap next season.

As far as your idea of paid apps in the locker rooms after games, if you actually kept up, with things from several years ago you would know that when teams return to the locker rooms after the game they have a couple minutes where things are said before they start undressing and hitting the showers. Because of the uproar because of female reporters in the locker room, all reporters have 5 minutes after those first couple minutes when the coaches talk and they hand out game balls for reporters to get interviews and after that 5 minutes is up all reporters and cameras have to leave the locker room so they can shower. Since reporters are allowed in for those first few minutes and then all have to leave, why would anyone pay for an app to get what everyone else sees for free.
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not sure what you are even debating here....
Apps providing locker room footage and other stuff IS coming.
It already exists for EPL and other leagues.
They'll figure out logistics because there is money to be made.

Owners proposed 175 in initial offer which means it will go up.
Thy aren't going to eat losses but certainly won't blow it up because that only costs them more money.
Cutting guys and having to sign new ones a year later is MORE costly.

I was posting with people swearing there wouldn't be football. 2 days later they agreed on terms and opened camps.

Cap alarmists are just drama queens.

 

[gjkoeppen]

not sure what you are even debating here....
Apps providing locker room footage and other stuff IS coming.
It already exists for EPL and other leagues.
They'll figure out logistics because there is money to be made.

Owners proposed 175 in initial offer which means it will go up.
Thy aren't going to eat losses but certainly won't blow it up because that only costs them more money.
Cutting guys and having to sign new ones a year later is MORE costly.

I was posting with people swearing there wouldn't be football. 2 days later they agreed on terms and opened camps.

Cap alarmists are just drama queens.

AGAIN you obviously aren't really a NFL fan because if you were you would have known about the law suite that was filed against them by 2 female sportswriters because they weren't given access to the locker rooms like male reporters were so the NFL came up with the rules for ALL reporters that I already explained. The NFL owners don't concern themselves with what other sports may do, especially soccer. They only care about not getting sued again for discrimination by female reporters again. You may jump on every new app that comes along but I'll bet the NFL owners don't. They have more important things to do like running the biggest and most popular sports league in this country. Oh BTW the single most watch program on TV EVERY year WORLD WIDE is the Super Bowl and not soccer.
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[CowboyoWales]

Oh BTW the single most watch program on TV EVERY year WORLD WIDE is the Super Bowl and not soccer..

I think you'll find that the Champions League final has now surpassed the SB (by a fair few million).

 

[jterrell]

AGAIN you obviously aren't really a NFL fan because if you were you would have known about the law suite that was filed against them by 2 female sportswriters because they weren't given access to the locker rooms like male reporters were so the NFL came up with the rules for ALL reporters that I already explained. The NFL owners don't concern themselves with what other sports may do, especially soccer. They only care about not getting sued again for discrimination by female reporters again. You may jump on every new app that comes along but I'll bet the NFL owners don't. They have more important things to do like running the biggest and most popular sports league in this country. Oh BTW the single most watch program on TV EVERY year WORLD WIDE is the Super Bowl and not soccer.
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dude just stop posting stupid things lol.
That has nothing to do with anything.
An app with locker room access doesn't mean a camera following naked butts to showers.
It means interviews with designated persons a t designated times from the lockers run by professionals working for the team all paid to be there.
Again this ALREADY exists in other sports like EPL and is an inevitable revenue stream.

 

[jterrell]

I think you'll find that the Champions League final has now surpassed the SB (by a fair few million).

last World Cup Final 3.5x BILLION
last Super Bowl 150M
last UCL Final 350m

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys/

With Lamb signed, it looks like only Diggs and the DT 3rd rounder are the only rookies yet to be signed.

That should leave Dallas with about 8 million in cap space.

extend Crawford!

 

[ChuckA1]

If TV viewership is way down, how will this affect the cap? I'm confused on issues like how to deal with this year's draft picks without a pre-season. Boy, many of these guys can get screwed. How about the college seniors this year if there's no college football? Boy, those guys get screwed also!

 

[gjkoeppen]

dude just stop posting stupid things lol.
That has nothing to do with anything.
An app with locker room access doesn't mean a camera following naked butts to showers.
It means interviews with designated persons a t designated times from the lockers run by professionals working for the team all paid to be there.
Again this ALREADY exists in other sports like EPL and is an inevitable revenue stream.

AGAIN since you have a comprehension problem, in the NFL, not some other soccer league, they have a rule because of a law suite brought against them. That is why ALL reporters, both men and women, have the same time limit to get those locker room interviews in before all of them and their people with cameras have to leave. They all are free to wait outside the locker room until the players leave the locker room to get addition interviews and some do. But to think the NFL is going to pay some sports writer to go into the locker room when other reporters can't be there and then open themselves up for another law suite for discrimination you really are crazy. Because other businesses and/or some other sports league have apps that do this or that doesn't not mean or imply or become automatic that the NFL will too especially when they have been sued for doing exactly what you say they will do. Take your own advise and stop posting stupid things. BTW the Cowboys do employee some sportswriters and their articles are posted on the Cowboys own website and they also have podcasts where they get players to come to their location to do interviews that again can be seen both live and videos of those on their website. Now someday they may offer an app so people can watch those on their phones, but that won't be an additional revenue stream unless they don't still offer the same thing FOR FREE on their website.
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[CowboyoWales]

AGAIN since you have a comprehension problem, in the NFL, not some other soccer league, they have a rule because of a law suite brought against them. That is why ALL reporters, both men and women, have the same time limit to get those locker room interviews in before all of them and their people with cameras have to leave. They all are free to wait outside the locker room until the players leave the locker room to get addition interviews and some do. But to think the NFL is going to pay some sports writer to go into the locker room when other reporters can't be there and then open themselves up for another law suite for discrimination you really are crazy. Because other businesses and/or some other sports league have apps that do this or that doesn't not mean or imply or become automatic that the NFL will too especially when they have been sued for doing exactly what you say they will do. Take your own advise and stop posting stupid things. BTW the Cowboys do employee some sportswriters and their articles are posted on the Cowboys own website and they also have podcasts where they get players to come to their location to do interviews that again can be seen both live and videos of those on their website. Now someday they may offer an app so people can watch those on their phones, but that won't be an additional revenue stream unless they don't still offer the same thing FOR FREE on their website.
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The Cowboys franchise is worth 34% more than second place Pats.

Considering the success of the Pats with their 6 SB's this century and the propensity for advertising companies loving to be associated with success..... Cowboys must be finding alternative revenue streams to amass such worth.....all they need to do is tap into these methods.

NB - overall I do believe there's going to be a big revenue hit despite any innovations we may implement.

 

[gjkoeppen]

The Cowboys franchise is worth 34% more than second place Pats.

Considering the success of the Pats with their 6 SB's this century and the propensity for advertising companies loving to be associated with success..... Cowboys must be finding alternative revenue streams to amass such worth.....all they need to do is tap into these methods.

NB - overall I do believe there's going to be a big revenue hit despite any innovations we may implement.

First the big endorsement dollars go to the league as in licensing fees or paying the league to claim to be an official sponsor of the NFL. Yes teams have some of those but those local contracts aren't anywhere close to the size of the big contracts with the league.

As far as the ranking of the sports franchise they are not based solely on the amount of money socked away, but on their assets like stadiums and practice facilities, the name of America's Team, merchandise sales, the fact that the Cowboys are always in the news and not just the sporting news outlets but there are many articles about them in media besides sporting outlets and to a large part if the Cowboys were up for sale how much it would take to buy them.

I just checked Forbes top 50 sports franchise list and of course the Cowboys are #1 and the patriots are #7. The yankees are #2 and to prove what I said about not being the cash they may have, the Cowboys have a value of $5 billion and a operating income of $365 million. The yankees have a value of $4.6 billion and a operating income of only $30 million. The patriots at #7 are the 2nd highest ranking NFL team with a value of $3.8 billion and a operating income of $235 billion. Barcelona soccer team is #4 and last year they lost $37 million. A side note 26 of the 32 NFL teams are listed in the top 50 by Forbes. Those that didn't make it are the bengals, browns, lions, bills, bucs and titans.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...most-valuable-sports-teams-2019/#706fd4a283da

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[CowboyoWales]

First the big endorsement dollars go to the league as in licensing fees or paying the league to claim to be an official sponsor of the NFL. Yes teams have some of those but those local contracts aren't anywhere close to the size of the big contracts with the league.

As far as the ranking of the sports franchise they are not based solely on the amount of money socked away, but on their assets like stadiums and practice facilities, the name of America's Team, merchandise sales, the fact that the Cowboys are always in the news and not just the sporting news outlets but there are many articles about them in media besides sporting outlets and to a large part if the Cowboys were up for sale how much it would take to buy them.

I just checked Forbes top 50 sports franchise list and of course the Cowboys are #1 and the patriots are #7. The yankees are #2 and to prove what I said about not being the cash they may have, the Cowboys have a value of $5 billion and a operating income of $365 million. The yankees have a value of $4.6 billion and a operating income of only $30 million. The patriots at #7 are the 2nd highest ranking NFL team with a value of $3.8 billion and a operating income of $235 billion. Barcelona soccer team is #4 and last year they lost $37 million. A side note 26 of the 32 NFL teams are listed in the top 50 by Forbes. Those that didn't make it are the bengals, browns, lions, bills, bucs and titans.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...most-valuable-sports-teams-2019/#706fd4a283da.
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Baseball negotiate their own tv deals.....so what makes the Cowboys richer than the Pats for instance.

Come over here in the UK and you'd find alot more Cowboys merchandise than Pats.