Avg QBs who won Conf Championships

[Bobhaze]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

 

[Batman1980]

Every single one of those teams had a much better coaching staff than ours.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yep with the best offensive line in the NFL and best receivers and coaches, "ooops he just lost". Never going to happen.

 

[Zordon]

Peep their stats through 6 games. I bet they blow Dak out the water.

 

[jrumann59]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

Yes if you look at everything over the course of their careers. But look at that particular year those guys played out of their minds to a degree except McNair.

 

[Flamma]

Peep their stats through 6 games. I bet they blow Dak out the water.

I thought you were going to be right, but as it turns out, only one of them clearly stands out. Gannon was pumping out 300+ yard games like Drew Brees. But the rest are not impressive at all. McNair Most of his was under 200 yards and several under 100 yards. Same with Delhomme, Grossman, and Collins, just not quite as bad. But not much better at all compared to Dak.

Also keep in mind I am assuming the OP was referring to the Super Bowl years that they lost. They would be the season of......
1999
2000
2002
2003
2006

 

[Denim Chicken]

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

I would add Payton Manning at the tail end of his career. Obviously he wasn't an average QB for the totality of his career, but that last SB year with Denver average may be an stretch.

 

[Captain-Crash]

go back and see what team they beat to win one playoff game. Probably us.

 

[ClintDagger]

I would put an asterisk next to Foles since Wentz got them in position. I don’t think they win a SB with 19 games of Foles.

 

[morasp]

Greatness is earned. The coaching staff finally played to our QBs strength last week and he responded with eight scoring drives against the number one defense in the NFL. If they can continue to play to his strengths defenses won't be able to just key on Zeke and it should open things up for us.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Greatness is earned. The coaching staff finally played to our QBs strength last week and he responded with eight scoring drives against the number one defense in the NFL. If they can continue to play to his strengths defenses won't be able to just key on Zeke and it should open things up for us.

what's his strength?

 

[eromeopolk]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

Air McNair was not average and was a NFL MVP. The rest I agree average to below average. Espcially Rex GROSS man!

 

[DallasEast]

1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn. (6th season/veteran starter)
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants (7th season/veteran starter)
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland (15th season/veteran starter)
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina (5th season/veteran starter)
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago (4th season/veteran starter)

2016.

sigh

 

[Zordon]

I thought you were going to be right, but as it turns out, only one of them clearly stands out. Gannon was pumping out 300+ yard games like Drew Brees. But the rest are not impressive at all. McNair Most of his was under 200 yards and several under 100 yards. Same with Delhomme, Grossman, and Collins, just not quite as bad. But not much better at all compared to Dak.

Also keep in mind I am assuming the OP was referring to the Super Bowl years that they lost. They would be the season of......
1999
2000
2002
2003
2006

I think we're undefeated or sitting at one loss right now with Grossman's numbers.

 

[morasp]

what's his strength?

It's definitely not our group of guys that we have at WR. Beasley might be a good number two but the rest of them are just a bunch of guys. Dak is much better on the move like bootlegs, read options, RPOs etc. Last week the coaches called more read options not allowing the defense to just take Zeke away and the offense responded with a 40 point effort.

 

[Cowboy89]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

Bolded were pro bowl level QB's and/or MVP's on multiple occassions. They don't belong on a list like this.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Greatness is earned. The coaching staff finally played to our QBs strength last week and he responded with eight scoring drives against the number one defense in the NFL. If they can continue to play to his strengths defenses won't be able to just key on Zeke and it should open things up for us.

What makes you think the coaching staff will continue to play to our QB's strength because they never are consistent? Something works and they go away from it.

 

[kevm3]

I think we're undefeated or sitting at one loss right now with Grossman's numbers.

Grossman would look way worse here. Lovie Smith can coach.

 

[Diehardblues]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

McNair - 2003 MVP, 3 time pro bowler
Gannon- 2002 MVP , 4 time pro bowler

Neither I’d call average

 

[Diehardblues]

I’d look for a list of 25th ranked Qb’s with 31st ranked passing offenses that made it to a championship game . Lol