Avg QBs who won Conf Championships

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[Diehardblues]

Then you have to rely on the same front office making that positive change too.

Which I have more hope for than Jerry making better decisions on a HC.

They were able to draft Elliott and OL why couldn’t they draft a QB as talented ?

They didn’t do too bad in 4th round for a backup QB. Imagine what they might could do in 1st round.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I thought you were going to be right, but as it turns out, only one of them clearly stands out. Gannon was pumping out 300+ yard games like Drew Brees. But the rest are not impressive at all. McNair Most of his was under 200 yards and several under 100 yards. Same with Delhomme, Grossman, and Collins, just not quite as bad. But not much better at all compared to Dak.

Gannon got tons of yards in 2002 because he threw tons of passes. His QB rating wasn't spectacular. 97. He set himself apart in previous years as a run threat. 89 carries one season. 4 TDs. He's a good model for Dak.

 

[Bobhaze]

Agreed. I was just amused that we weren't shown some of the real bottom of the barrel QB's that've won. There were others. Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett.

Coaching can make a difference. Look at what happened the year after Campo left and Parcells took over.

But, OP's point is true, you don't need an Elite QB to win. Though I agree with you, you need a great coaching staff, which Dallas does not have.

As stated in the OP, I was only looking at QBs since 2000. Also said “coaching matters” which along with the owner, is the greatest impediment to our success as a team.

 

[Bobhaze]

So 17 years X 2 teams = 34. You just gave 5 out of 34 odds and you’re going to tell me that’s a good thing with a straight face? Really? This is comical. Like fans should be happy to cross their fingers and hope for an outlier season

My point with this was simple- too many fans think you have to have a great QB to have a deep playoff run. It sure helps. But there have been more than a few not so all time greats who have had success. I’m not predicting that here- but that’s because of the idiot owner and his lackey HC.

 

[Melonfeud]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

Man,,,that's a pretty cool thread of thought provoking rememberances,,,either I be in serious need of being driven in banishment from the tribe or that Rich GANNON was the follow on name to fame of the FRANCIS TARKENTON of the MINNESOTA clanned bloodlines,,, as I'm thinking that dude was Fran's Backup man from way back,,while the Bobbie buschi WATER BOY comparison to JAKE Delhomme is as vivid as yesterday's,,, er,,,ah,,,something or other I VIVIDLY RECALL,anyway!


* the gist of yer' thrust there BULLET BOB,,, Is our #4 DON'T EVEN MEASURE UP TO EVEN THESE substandard general issue spine casing-liners of esteemed footballish stature,,,,,,?


Copy!

 

[Zman5]

We saw how Romo elevated our team, coaching staff and front office. Imagine if we had a QB even greater.

Do you see Dak as that QB who’s going to elevate this team, coaching staff and front office?

I rather have a coaching staff that elevates the players. This way you aren't dependent on one player to win you games. Why do you think we couldn't win games without Romo and Lee? Why do you think Bellicheat can win with guys who were working at Home Depot the week before?

Brady could be out for the season yet the Patriots still won games.

 

[Diehardblues]

As stated in the OP, I was only looking at QBs since 2000. Also said “coaching matters” which along with the owner, is the greatest impediment to our success as a team.

Let’s look at great QB since 2000 who have won championships
Brady, Brees, P Manning, Rodgers, Ben, Wilson

I like that list much better . They account for 9 championships since 2000 and 18 SB appearances between them since 2000.

 

[Diehardblues]

I rather have a coaching staff that elevates the players. This way you aren't dependent on one player to win you games. Why do you think we couldn't win games without Romo and Lee? Why do you think Bellicheat can win with guys who were working at Home Depot the week before?

Brady could be out for the season yet the Patriots still won games.

I understand . We all would but do you really believe that is a possibility with Jerry? Sounds like a false hope to me.

And why we must think outside the box with Jerry.

 

[Melonfeud]

Greatness is earned. The coaching staff finally played to our QBs strength last week and he responded with eight scoring drives against the number one defense in the NFL. If they can continue to play to his strengths defenses won't be able to just key on Zeke and it should open things up for us.

Truly, a single forum post in this days cycle has not BEEN PRESENTED that contains the SUPERIOR OBSERVATIONS & ARTICULATE COMMAND IN RELAYING SUCH STATED OBSERVATIONS as that of which our fellow forum member & MAN of ESTEEMED STANDING from amongst his PEERS as our MAN
@morasp ,,, and it is well& of a good thing THAT he be OPENLY COMMENDED FOR IT






*seriously*

 

[BoysForLife]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

That’s probably a pretty good list Bob. The only one I might take exception to is Gannon. If my memory serves me correctly he had an all world season that year the Raiders made the Super Bowl

Add Colin Kapernick also

 

[cheyennes]

Joe Williams qb Washignton Commanders SB 22
Mark Ripien SB 26
Billy Kilmer SB 7

 

[408Cowboy]

McNair - 2003 MVP, 3 time pro bowler
Gannon- 2002 MVP , 4 time pro bowler

Neither I’d call average

I liked watching Gannon run the no huddle.

 

[CowboysDrew]

Which I have more hope for than Jerry making better decisions on a HC.

They were able to draft Elliott and OL why couldn’t they draft a QB as talented ?

They didn’t do too bad in 4th round for a backup QB. Imagine what they might could do in 1st round.

Well, lets hope.

 

[CowboysDrew]

As stated in the OP, I was only looking at QBs since 2000. Also said “coaching matters” which along with the owner, is the greatest impediment to our success as a team.

Dilfer and Johnson were post 2000. And I 1000% agree with your point.

 

[Bobhaze]

Joe Williams qb Washignton Commanders SB 22
Mark Ripien SB 26
Billy Kilmer SB 7

My list was 2000 onward, but those names you added are good examples too. Others from the old days before 2000 include Joe Kapp, viqueens, Vince Ferragamo, Rams, Ron “Jaws” Jaworski, eaglets, Joe Thiessman, (won a SB), skins, Jeff Hostetler (won a SB), giants, Doug Williams (also won a SB), skins, Phil Simms (also won a SB) Giants, and Jim McMahaon (won a SB) bears.

All above average QBs, but not HOFers. Either won an NFC championship or a SB.

 

[Kevinicus]

Don't forget Matt Hasselbeck, Eli Manning, and the last year for Peyton.

The QB is the single most important position, but it is very much a team game. And you need a damn good team with an average QB. You need a good team even with a great QB.

 

[Zman5]

McNabb was an inaccurate QB (59% career completion rate) and a average passer that went to the SB and multiple probowls. He had scrub WRs most of his career. T.O. being the exception. He wasn't a great passer but made lot a plays with his legs and had a coach that maximized his strength. Fat Andy tailored the offense around McNabb and his RB Westbrook. JG and Linehan need to go back and copy what Reid did with McNabb and Westbrook.

 

[Bullflop]

What makes you think the coaching staff will continue to play to our QB's strength because they never are consistent? Something works and they go away from it.

That has been the case in the past, no doubt. I can't help but wonder if the coaching staff is unanimous as to what they want to do. Let's hope they come to realize that they really need to adjust their schemes to fit the strengths of their players, rather than vice-versa. At some point, hopefully, the results might speak for themselves. I'm hoping that what happened vs. Jacksonville would show them something. We'll see.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Attributing wins and losses to an individual player (ex: “Joe Blow is 2-0 in Championship games...”) is a complete misnomer that some fans continue to perpetuate.