Avg QBs who won Conf Championships

[Melonfeud]

Don't forget Matt Hasselbeck, Eli Manning, and the last year for Peyton.

The QB is the single most important position, but it is very much a team game. And you need a damn good team with an average QB. You need a good team even with a great QB.

It was easily apparent in what the Philly scheme was being employed with WENTZ& FOLZ,,, quick, simple designed ,overerloaded to one specific side of the field with like colored jersey targets ( seriously, I don't believe folz even took the time to register in recognizing the numbers on his guys jerseys he was throwing to at times cuz' many of his chain moving completions were a 3 step drop back,maybe 1 or 2 steps to the right, and FIRE,,,almost as if it was DUMBO proofed timed to thats where his guys should be in time& distance

 

[jaybird]

Every single one of those teams had a much better coaching staff than ours.

Maybe but difintely had stud defenses when defense's could win championships

 

[Flamma]

The worst SB QB probably ever was David Woodley, remember than guy. He actually won a conference championship game

Yeah, IMO Woodley and Strock were solid backups. But they had Shula and a really good defense. Two years later they're 14-2 with Marino. But back then teams could make up for average QBs in other areas. But today most teams are in the "average" range with the glaring difference at QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah, IMO Woodley and Strock were solid backups. But they had Shula and a really good defense. Two years later they're 14-2 with Marino. But back then teams could make up for average QBs in other areas. But today most teams are in the "average" range with the glaring difference at QB.

Bingo..

As a result of the Cap era teams are limited with little or no depth. QB is the one position they usually commit to for a players career.

With the exception of hitting in a few drafts with a great defense which is ultimately ripped apart with FA teams which consistently contend in Cap era are those with great QB’s.

 

[Flamma]

Bingo..

As a result of the Cap era teams are limited with little or no depth. QB is the one position they usually commit to for a players career.

With the exception of hitting in a few drafts with a great defense which is ultimately ripped apart with FA teams which consistently contend in Cap era are those with great QB’s.

That's exactly today's NFL. I wish they would do something to loosen up the cap and allow teams to spend a bit more. Like that one suggestion of not counting the highest salary. But the owners would never go for that.

 

[Diehardblues]

The NFL in Cap era is basically divided into teams with a great QB and those looking for or trying to develop a great QB.

It’s why we see teams take great risk moving up in draft. Before Cap era rarely did even top drafted Qb’s see action early in their careers. The Cap has changed it all.

With the only exceptions a generational type defense to carry team like with Tampa, Baltimore or Seattle. But they can’t be sustained with FA breaking them up.

But never in the history of the NFL has the QB position been more critical.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

so we should base our success on exception rather than the rule. in in 51 CCGs, and 102 QBs, you found 5...... and I don't think McNair was average.....you got to compare the QBs to the rules of the time and the game of the time. Collins wasn't average, he played above average for that year...

none of them were Elite, but all played above average except maybe Rex Grossman....

this doesn't give me hope that Dak can get us there, specially given the strong NFC conference this year....

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Air McNair was not average and was a NFL MVP. The rest I agree average to below average. Espcially Rex GROSS man!

McNair was iffy early in his career. It took him several years to get really good. He relied on his size and running ability to get him through the early years of his career. jmho

 

[jrumann59]

McNair - 2003 MVP, 3 time pro bowler
Gannon- 2002 MVP , 4 time pro bowler

Neither I’d call average

Gannon's overall body of work was average he was journeyman until he got to the raiders. He played 17 years I think he even lost QB competition to Wade Friggin Wilson in Minny. Minny was pretty QB poor back then. He lasted a year in wash and bounced around in KC before putting it all together in Oakland.

 

[Legend]

Jeff Hostetler - 1991
Stan Humphries - 1995
Chris Chandler - 1999
Kerry Collins - 2001
Trent Dilfer - 2001
Brad Johnson - 2003
Rich Gannon - 2003
Jake Delhomme - 2004
Donovan McNabb - 2005
Matt Hasselback - 2006
Rex Grossman - 2007
Eli Manning - 2008
Joe Flacco - 2013
Colin Kaepernick - 2013
Peyton Manning - 2016
Nick Foles - 2018

 

[Diehardblues]

Gannon's overall body of work was average he was journeyman until he got to the raiders. He played 17 years I think he even lost QB competition to Wade Friggin Wilson in Minny. Minny was pretty QB poor back then. He lasted a year in wash and bounced around in KC before putting it all together in Oakland.

It doesn’t matter what their body of work was . Which of course skews this type of narrative attempted to be presented here in this thread.

Much like Foles last year. Defintely an average to below average QB but on the biggest stage of his career performed at a MVP level.

We’ve seen this before with Eli, Flacco, Theisman, Simms, Plunkett, Rypien, Williams, etc..This list goes on.

One of the greatest criticisms of Romo. He didn’t have his best performances on the biggest stages.

Do we think Dak will be one of those who has his best performances on the biggest stage?

 

[kskboys]

Agreed. I was just amused that we weren't shown some of the real bottom of the barrel QB's that've won. There were others. Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett.

Coaching can make a difference. Look at what happened the year after Campo left and Parcells took over.

But, OP's point is true, you don't need an Elite QB to win. Though I agree with you, you need a great coaching staff, which Dallas does not have.

Doug Williams had a great super bowl, but he was not a great QB.

 

[jrumann59]

It doesn’t matter what their body of work was . Which of course skews this type of narrative attempted to be presented here in this thread.

Much like Foles last year. Defintely an average to below average QB but on the biggest stage of his career performed at a MVP level.

We’ve seen this before with Eli, Flacco, Theisman, Simms, Plunkett, Rypien, Williams, etc..This list goes on.

One of the greatest criticisms of Romo. He didn’t have his best performances on the biggest stages.

Do we think Dak will be one of those who has his best performances on the biggest stage?

Throwing guys like Simms, Flacco, Eli, etc into the mix of the avg QBs on the list in the OP is laughable. Many you just listed were solid QBs while not peyton or Tom brady level they were consistent for many years before and after their SB.

The criticism of Romo on the biggest stage are fallacies, the Seattle FG and the loss to NYG the loss to packers, did he lose those games or did the team lose those games. If people are now hoping that Dak will get on a streak like many on the OP list did to justify keeping a middling QB is laughable. Either he is the guy or he is not.

 

[Bobhaze]

so we should base our success on exception rather than the rule. in in 51 CCGs, and 102 QBs, you found 5...... and I don't think McNair was average.....you got to compare the QBs to the rules of the time and the game of the time. Collins wasn't average, he played above average for that year...

none of them were Elite, but all played above average except maybe Rex Grossman....

this doesn't give me hope that Dak can get us there, specially given the strong NFC conference this year....

No. My point is if you have an average to above average QB, you can win. BUT...BUT...you better have excellent coaching...

Cue the crickets, lol. That’s the bigger problem.

 

[Batman1980]

How many of those QBs had to deal with this horrendous WR/TE group? I'll wait.

 

[T-RO]

In Dak’s one playoff game he absolutely played well enough to win. We almost did and we would have been hosting the NFC championship game the following week.

If you had the 2016 Cowboys offense (ranked 5th in scoring)
+
2018 Cowboys defense (ranked 2nd in points allowed)

I think you’d have a team that could get to the Super Bowl. Beat the Patriots? No.

Brilliant work that year by the Cowboys coaches to get to 13-3 with poor defensive personnel and an untouted rookie QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

Doug Williams had a great super bowl, but he was not a great QB.

He didn’t have a great career. No doubt.

Not sure if that was more about being in Tampa all of those years?

But K , do we see Dak with that type of ability though that could break out for that type of season or game?

Sometimes defining great is a skewed definition. While I agree Doug wasn’t a great QB he certainly played at a high level for a limited time which is true for some of these otherwise average type QB’s.

 

[Diehardblues]

How many of those QBs had to deal with this horrendous WR/TE group? I'll wait.

None but not all had this OL and RB along with a top ranked defense.

We had a WR and TE last year but results weren’t much better.

 

[Diehardblues]

No. My point is if you have an average to above average QB, you can win. BUT...BUT...you better have excellent coaching...

Cue the crickets, lol. That’s the bigger problem.

And why I keep preaching we need a greater QB. Because we don’t have that coaching Or front office.

That’s not all Daks fault. But playing the cards we are dealt what do you do.?

And why I’m pushing for a more talented QB given the other handicaps were dealt with.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

If you guys think we can win it with Dak, this coaching staff and front office then we’re going to need help elsewhere.

Continuing to call for an absolution that’s not coming with Jerry doesn’t appear logical to me.

 

[LocimusPrime]

It's sad that it's come to this.