Avg QBs who won Conf Championships

[PAPPYDOG]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

So let me get this str8....for Dak's sake we no longer want Superbowl glory as the playoffs are good enough....all this for Dak.....dang...........

P.S. How about we just let him be the new owner of the Cowboys I mean it is Dak and he deserves the finest the Star can give him for those 175 yards check down passing games week in week out...oh ya he's a good HB also....

 

[kskboys]

McNair - 2003 MVP, 3 time pro bowler
Gannon- 2002 MVP , 4 time pro bowler

Neither I’d call average

Gannon was better than Eli and Flacco.

 

[Bobhaze]

So let me get this str8....for Dak's sake we no longer want Superbowl glory as the playoffs are good enough....all this for Dak.....dang...........

P.S. How about we just let him be the new owner of the Cowboys I mean it is Dak and he deserves the finest the Star can give him for those 175 yards check down passing games week in week out...oh ya he's a good HB also....

Two thoughts-
1. Who said we don’t want SB glory? All I’m saying is you don’t have to have a HOF QB to win a conference championship. Something this team hasn’t even sniffed for two decades. The OP was a response to all those who say you gotta have Aaron Rodgers to win in the playoffs.

2. If Jerry is willing to sell the team to Dak or anyone else, I’m in. I’ve seen enough “Jerry-ocrity” to last a lifetime.

 

[Established1971]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

The worst SB QB probably ever was David Woodley, remember than guy. He actually won a conference championship game

 

[Bobhaze]

The worst SB QB probably ever was David Woodley, remember than guy. He actually won a conference championship game

Dolphins- can’t remember the year.

 

[Diehardblues]

Two thoughts-
1. Who said we don’t want SB glory? All I’m saying is you don’t have to have a HOF QB to win a conference championship. Something this team hasn’t even sniffed for two decades. The OP was a response to all those who say you gotta have Aaron Rodgers to win in the playoffs.

2. If Jerry is willing to sell the team to Dak or anyone else, I’m in. I’ve seen enough “Jerry-ocrity” to last a lifetime.

Normally you don’t need a HOF Qb to win a championship.

But when your handicapped in the front office and coaching staff it’s going to be even more difficult if we are also challenged at QB.

 

[CowboysDrew]

Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. But they needed a great Defense to do it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. But they needed a great Defense to do it.

Not to mention a good front office and coaching staff.

Remember we had one of the greatest teams of all time after Jimmy left and Jerry and Barry almost screwed that up. And I’d argue they did screw it up.

But talent matters and can help overcome dysfunctional situations.

We can’t compare our f up situation with other teams.

 

[CowboysDrew]

Not to mention a good front office and coaching staff.

Remember we had one of the greatest teams of all time after Jimmy left and Jerry and Barry almost screwed that up. And I’d argue they did screw it up.

But talent matters and can help overcome dysfunctional situations.

We can’t compare our f up situation with other teams.

Agreed. I was just amused that we weren't shown some of the real bottom of the barrel QB's that've won. There were others. Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett.

Coaching can make a difference. Look at what happened the year after Campo left and Parcells took over.

But, OP's point is true, you don't need an Elite QB to win. Though I agree with you, you need a great coaching staff, which Dallas does not have.

 

[Diehardblues]

Agreed. I was just amused that we weren't shown some of the real bottom of the barrel QB's that've won. There were others. Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett.

Coaching can make a difference. Look at what happened the year after Campo left and Parcells took over.

But, OP's point is true, you don't need an Elite QB to win. Though I agree with you, you need a great coaching staff, which Dallas does not have.

Which is the basis of my point.

We are handicapped in the front office and coaching must we also be handicapped at QB?

 

[CowboysDrew]

Which is the basis of my point.

We are handicapped in the front office and coaching must we also be handicapped at QB?

Will it make a difference? Romo was better than all the guys mentioned here, and won nothing.

It surely would help to have a better QB at the helm, but is that really going to get the team where it needs to go?

I guess the counter of the point, if this team had, say, Aaron Rodgers in his prime, with the current staff, play calling, scheme, do you think it could go all the way?

Sure it'd have a better chance, but I'm not sure it would.

 

[Diehardblues]

We saw how Romo elevated our team, coaching staff and front office. Imagine if we had a QB even greater.

Do you see Dak as that QB who’s going to elevate this team, coaching staff and front office?

 

[CowboysDrew]

We saw how Romo elevated our team, coaching staff and front office. Imagine if we had a QB even greater.

Do you see Dak as that QB who’s going to elevate this team, coaching staff and front office?

No, that was essentially what I said. He hasn't and he can't.

 

[Diehardblues]

Will it make a difference? Romo was better than all the guys mentioned here, and won nothing.

It surely would help to have a better QB at the helm, but is that really going to get the team where it needs to go?

I guess the counter of the point, if this team had, say, Aaron Rodgers in his prime, with the current staff, play calling, scheme, do you think it could go all the way?

Sure it'd have a better chance, but I'm not sure it would.

I agree . No guarantee . That’s all I’m looking for is a better chance.

But what are our other options if we’re limited in front office and coaching staff?

 

[CowboysDrew]

I agree . No guarantee . That’s all I’m looking for is a better chance.

But what are our other options if we’re limited in front office and coaching staff?

Honestly, I feel the only hope we have as fans is for the ownership to wake up and move on from Garrett. I've felt that for a long time, since the third 8-8.

Can Dallas win a Super Bowl with Prescott? Sure. Can they win with this coaching staff? No. You'd need to give Garrett the '95 team to win. Even then, look at another bad coach, Switzer, who should've won three straight or more with that squad and could only manage one.

Our only hope is for positive change at the executive level.

 

[Diehardblues]

Honestly, I feel the only hope we have as fans is for the ownership to wake up and move on from Garrett. I've felt that for a long time, since the third 8-8.

Can Dallas win a Super Bowl with Prescott? Sure. Can they win with this coaching staff? No. You'd need to give Garrett the '95 team to win. Even then, look at another bad coach, Switzer, who should've won three straight or more with that squad and could only manage one.

Our only hope is for positive change at the executive level.

But I don’t believe that’s going to happen. It’s a false hope IMO. Jerry ain’t changing.

So, instead of giving up I’m proposing to hedge our bet with a much greater QB to try and overcome them.

 

[tm1119]

So 17 years X 2 teams = 34. You just gave 5 out of 34 odds and you’re going to tell me that’s a good thing with a straight face? Really? This is comical. Like fans should be happy to cross their fingers and hope for an outlier season

 

[CowboysDrew]

But I don’t believe that’s going to happen. It’s a false hope IMO. Jerry ain’t changing.

So, instead of giving up I’m proposing to hedge our bet with a much greater QB to try and overcome them.

Then you have to rely on the same front office making that positive change too.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Conventional wisdom tells us that one of the “must haves” to win a championship is to have a great QB.

History shows us that’s “kind of true”, in that in this 18 year century, only 4 of 18 SB winning QBs would be considered average or below. Those 4 would be Trent Diler, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles.

But what about (in this century) “average QBs” that somehow won a conference championship and got to a SB although didn’t win? History also shows there are several average QBs who have won big in the playoffs.

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

They didn’t win a SB but they did lead their teams to conference championships. Not a great list of QBs but they still had a deep playoff run to a SB.

All the talk about Dak not being good enough...maybe he’s not great like most SB winning QBs. But as evidenced above, with good coaching, an average to above average QB can win in the playoffs.

Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

Hes been the league 2.5 years not even. This average talk is really dumb. There are things he is NOT average at. Several of them. Is he an average passing QB at this point, I would say certainly.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Let’s look at who those “average” guys in this century that won AFC or NFC championships but not SBs:
1. 2000- Steve McNair Tenn.
2. 2001- Kerry Collins- Giants
3. 2002- Rich Gannon, Oakland
4. 2005- Jake Delhomme, Carolina
5. 2006- Rex Grossman, Chicago

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Coaching is the part I’m not sure about.

Gannon was actually league MVP once. Passing rating in the mid 90s for his run of pro bowls, but his running made a difference. I've been thinking of him as a model for Dak. A good balance of run and pass. Not spectacular in either, but good.

On the coaching, I'm sure about Garrett. But not in a good way.