Streifenkarl
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To me that sounds like it is a mechanical failure and the pilots just tried to get it back going.
But I guess anything goes until they release their final report.
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To me that sounds like it is a mechanical failure and the pilots just tried to get it back going.
But I guess anything goes until they release their final report.
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This was not a brand new aircraft; which then calls into question maintenance.
To me that sounds like it is a mechanical failure and the pilots just tried to get it back going.
But I guess anything goes until they release their final report.
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IMO, it would be highly unlikely for them to fail sequentially within a second of each other. They still require physical movement, so even if the detent is worn out, if you actually grazed it with your hand or something, they would both cutoff at the same time, not within a second of each other.
To me that sounds like it is a mechanical failure and the pilots just tried to get it back going.
But I guess anything goes until they release their final report.
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Bluntly speaking, to me it seems one of two things: Sabotage or suicide.
Is it even possible that this was done by mistake? Both engines?
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Might be too early for that. But it does look suspicious that no action has been taken there yet.
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Well I'm not trying to lean either way yet, just wondering what you guys think. My interpretation is however, that there is no evidence of human manipulation yet. Could change of course.
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Yeah, I agree, this seems like the most plausible explanation.
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What kind of mechanical failure? That the switches moved to cutoff on their own? Is that possible? If they had to be cut off for some reason, would they wait 10 seconds before turning them on again?
To me that sounds like it is a mechanical failure and the pilots just tried to get it back going.
But I guess anything goes until they release their final report.
The fact they were set to cutoff 1 second apart suggests someone did it manually with one hand. One right after the other. What reason would someone do that 3 seconds after leaving the ground?
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I think it's normal for good people to try and find a logical reason when something bad happens. Some mistake, flaw, fault, no matter how unlikely. I never even considered something intentional. But that's what it looks like.
At the time the pilot monitoring should have called out positive rate, he cut off fuel to the engines instead. That's what I think.
At the time the pilot monitoring should have called out positive rate, he cut off fuel to the engines instead. That's what I think.
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They're looking more and more into a failure with the switches.
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I can understand now why cockpit video is being suggested. Because there are a few cases where it might be needed. But if it's done right, it should be ok.
At my job, we have cameras everywhere. But they are not monitored. Something has to happen to go to the video. Similar to the voice recorder, a video should be the same. Only go to it when something happens. You don't pull it to check what pilots are doing, and you don't watch it in real time. If something happens, then you watch the video. That's exactly how it works at many places of employment.
At my job, we have cameras everywhere. But they are not monitored. Something has to happen to go to the video. Similar to the voice recorder, a video should be the same. Only go to it when something happens. You don't pull it to check what pilots are doing, and you don't watch it in real time. If something happens, then you watch the video. That's exactly how it works at many places of employment.
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Until corroborating evidence comes out substantiating nefarious theories, it would not be surprising if the crash was due to simple human error. In fact, pilots error(s) account for apx. 60% of commercial airline accidents per the FAA, and typically result from compounding errors and a combination of factors, such as environmental conditions, mechanical failures, and other human-related issues.
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I can’t think of a scenario where a pilot would switch off the fuel cutoffs sequentially unintentionally.
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and BOTH of them? Unless there was something else involved here as regards the aircraft which so far has not been disclosed, then the crew is it.
Looking at everything up to this point, most of the articles talking about rumors and whatever seem to be narrowing down to them.
Bottom line is that someone had to turn off the fuel to the engines; and this soon after taking off? there really is only one reason for doing that.
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Have any of the articles mentioned which pilot went through the motions of trying to turn the fuel systems back on? I admittedly haven’t been keeping up with the latest news on this. From what I read Pilot #1 questioned why the other (Pilot #2) turned off the fuel (w/ Pilot #2 initially he didn’t do that). I’m curious if they’ve determined whether Pilot #2 then tried turning it back on. In other words, if this guy had a death wish, it’s hard to believe he’d go through the motions of then trying to restore the fuel systems.
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maybe he had a last second change of mind?
some that plan suicide cannot quite take that last step.
Speculation has almost completely gone away from there being a technical problem with the aircraft. So that leaves pilot error. Now it seems a case of figuring out if it was error or something else.
