Aviation

[Flamma]

so far no indication anything was wrong with either engine

For air India, no. But for that other flight where they took off with one engine on fire, that could be a reason to cut off on takeoff.

 

[gtb1943]

For air India, no. But for that other flight where they took off with one engine on fire, that could be a reason to cut off on takeoff.

true, but this thread was focusing on that crash

 

[Vtwin]

true, but this thread was focusing on that crash

Not really. The thread was started well before this crash and general aviation is the topic.

 

[gtb1943]

Not really. The thread was started well before this crash and general aviation is the topic.

aviation is the overall topic but the last few weeks were all about the Air India Crash.
and since there is still so much unknown about what happened, this is where it is going to be for a while

its obvious to all that if you have an engine on fire you cutoff the fuel flow to it.

Now of course if you are in a situation where you need all the power you can get, then the pilot is going to have to make a decision, let it burn until he no longer needs the power; or shut if off and risk a crash.

Virtually all major airliner have their engines below the wings so that an engine fire is not a threat to spread to the wings; unless of course the fire follows the fuel flow up to the wing tanks. That of course is VERY bad.
That is where the pilot is going to have to make a judgement call.
which is worse; keeping a burning engine supplied with fuel; or lose the thrust that engine is giving him.

These are scenarios that the crews are trained on; but when you do what is always going to be on you.

The Air India flight is so confusing by what so far has come out which is that as of the latest word nothing wrong with the aircraft apparently has been found.
So that leaves the crew; and the cockpit voice recorder results that so far have been made public look suspicious.

 

[triplets_93]

Smart Planes...
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/27/us/alaska-f-35-crash-accident-report-hnk-ml

 

[gtb1943]

Smart Planes...
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/27/us/alaska-f-35-crash-accident-report-hnk-ml

they are saying contaminated hydraulic liquid froze

which has nothing to do with the computer, etc

if this is true, this is on maintenance

 

[triplets_93]

they are saying contaminated hydraulic liquid froze

which has nothing to do with the computer, etc

if this is true, this is on maintenance

The part I read implicated the computer. Not going to hash it out for you though. It's there in the black and white.

 

[rags747]

Yeah I read that water was mixed in with the hydraulic fluid for the landing gear, it seems that this happened before with another plane but that one was able to land.

 

[gtb1943]

The part I read implicated the computer. Not going to hash it out for you though. It's there in the black and white.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/contaminated-hydraulic-fluid-f-35-crash/

https://www.eielson.**.mil/News/Dis...vestigation-report-released-for-eielson-f-35/


sort of not emphasized but in the ** report is that the computer system could not be over riden
at least that is how I read it
so the bad hydraulic fluid froze the nose wheel and the computer could not be shut down so the pilot had to eject

apparently the pilot cannot fly the plane unless the computer lets him and he cannot do anything about it

that is BAD design right there

 

[gtb1943]

OK why is ** suddenly not allowed and ASTERISKS put in?

what kind of stupidity do we have on this site anyway?

Air Force is fine but you cannot abbreviate it to the first letter of each word

 

[triplets_93]

This video from Sky News with Paul Charles goes into the Collins Aerospace angle.

Travel expert says he is 'really surprised and shocked' by reported cyber attack

A cyber attack was reported to be causing disruption at several major European airports including Brussels and Berlin and Heathrow says it is experiencing "technical" issues.

 

[triplets_93]

Why American Airlines Stopped Making Money
Wendover Productions

 

[triplets_93]

UPS MD-11 crashes upon takeoff in Louisville.

The left wing of the aircraft made contact with the UPS sorting facility at the end of the runway.

 

[triplets_93]

Not very far from the UPS sorting facility is the KPR (Kentucky Petroleum Recycling facility). When the aircraft hit this, a giant fireball occurred.

 

[triplets_93]

Dash cam of the UPS aircraft.

 

[triplets_93]

 

[triplets_93]

 

[triplets_93]

Dashcam from Anela Hadžić

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1FmPpJ9cPZ/

 

[CyberB0b]

I heard it through the grapevine that the aircraft had just been down for a couple of hours while they worked on the left engine. Unverified rumor.

 

[Flamma]

I saw a top down view of the airport. There are structures everywhere. Absolutely no room for error.