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SloppyOctopuss said:
Parcells played his style of football and LOST......instead of going for the jugular. He always live and die with the ball control type of philosophy.
He sure tried to go for the jugular with that pass over the middle to TO. He sure tried to go up 17-0. Unfortunately the QB's accuracy was atrocious.
 

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Here are some facts for everybody trashing Bledsoe to consider:
1) Jaguars were 12-4 last year (only lost to the colts at home).
2) Seattle was beat soundly last year in Jax on opening day and Hassleback played bad.....guess what team went on to almost win the superbowl and which one was knocked out in the 1st round?
3) Jake Plummer, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning, Dante Culpepper...all looked atrocious or worse than Bledsoe yesterday....are they going to get benched?
4) Despite oline/rushing struggles, Bledsoe was still only sacked twice yesterday.
1) Jax rolled up a nice record beating a lot of cellar dwellers. They lost when they played Tier 1 teams. Jax is the best of the tier 2 teams. They are not contenders. They will make the playoffs, but they are some playmakers away from winning a SB. Got to play Houston 2x, Tenn x2, San Fran, Arizona, Cleveland, Baltimore, and the Jets. One of the easiest schedules in the league last year. Not saying they aren't a good team, but they ain't elite.

2) Hasselback doesn't and never had any WRs, which is why they lost the SB. We have TO, TG, and Witten. If Hasselback had those weapons...
he'd also have the expectations we have of Bledsoe. No QB in the league has those kind of weapons. Bledsoe throws only 6 to TO and 3 to Jax.

3) Plummer is kinda like Bledsoe anyway. Delhomme was without Smith. Eli didn't look too bad. Culpepper, hasn't ever been that great without Moss. Of course, if ANY of those guys had TO, TG, and Witten, we'd expect them to roll up some stats.

4) Only sacked twice...it was obvious he was getting rid of it faster than in the past...the tradeoff was poor decisions. How many times was he hurried, hit as he threw, or had a pass altered?

The bottomline is that we have TO, TG, and Witten. Even if it was QC starting at QB for us, we'd expect less than 3 INTs. A lot of it was Bledsoe's fault, a lot of it was horrid, predictable play calling.
I think I speak for all the furious Cowboy brethren when I say the most frustrating things are:
1) We are the Dallas Cowboys. We have high expectations every year. Even moreso now with TO, Vanderjerk, and the great players we have on defense.
2) This was a game that we could've and should've won. A game a team with SB aspirations should win.
3) Our playcalling got too conservative and predictable...again
4) We missed an easy kick....again
5) Our defense went soft late...again
6) #'s 3-5 are EXACTLY the same problems we had last year
7) We have TO, TG, and Witten. No one should be able to stop us.
8) We have TO, TG, and Witten. No one can cover any of them.
9) We have TO, TG, and Witten. For the love of all that is good why can't we get them the ball more?
 

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SloppyOctopuss said:
Here are some facts for everybody trashing Bledsoe to consider:
1) Jaguars were 12-4 last year (only lost to the colts at home).
2) Seattle was beat soundly last year in Jax on opening day and Hassleback played bad.....guess what team went on to almost win the superbowl and which one was knocked out in the 1st round?
3) Jake Plummer, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning, Dante Culpepper...all looked atrocious or worse than Bledsoe yesterday....are they going to get benched?
4) Despite oline/rushing struggles, Bledsoe was still only sacked twice yesterday.
1) Jax rolled up a nice record beating a lot of cellar dwellers. They lost when they played Tier 1 teams. Jax is the best of the tier 2 teams. They are not contenders. They will make the playoffs, but they are some playmakers away from winning a SB. Got to play Houston 2x, Tenn x2, San Fran, Arizona, Cleveland, Baltimore, and the Jets. One of the easiest schedules in the league last year. Not saying they aren't a good team, but they ain't elite.

2) Hasselback doesn't and never had any WRs, which is why they lost the SB. We have TO, TG, and Witten. If Hasselback had those weapons...
he'd also have the expectations we have of Bledsoe. No QB in the league has those kind of weapons. Bledsoe throws only 6 to TO and 3 to Jax.

3) Plummer is kinda like Bledsoe anyway. Delhomme was without Smith. Eli didn't look too bad. Culpepper, hasn't ever been that great without Moss. Of course, if ANY of those guys had TO, TG, and Witten, we'd expect them to roll up some stats.

4) Only sacked twice...it was obvious he was getting rid of it faster than in the past...the tradeoff was poor decisions. How many times was he hurried, hit as he threw, or had a pass altered?

The bottomline is that we have TO, TG, and Witten. Even if it was QC starting at QB for us, we'd expect less than 3 INTs. A lot of it was Bledsoe's fault, a lot of it was horrid, predictable play calling.
I think I speak for all the furious Cowboy brethren when I say the most frustrating things are:
1) We are the Dallas Cowboys. We have high expectations every year. Even moreso now with TO, Vanderjerk, and the great players we have on defense.
2) This was a game that we could've and should've won. A game a team with SB aspirations should win.
3) Our playcalling got too conservative and predictable...again
4) We missed an easy kick....again
5) Our defense went soft late...again
6) #'s 3-5 are EXACTLY the same problems we had last year
7) We have TO, TG, and Witten. No one should be able to stop us.
8) We have TO, TG, and Witten. No one can cover any of them.
9) We have TO, TG, and Witten. For the love of all that is good why can't we get them the ball more?

Appreciate the response, and you can spin it anyway you like...but facts are facts. Yes Jax was 12-4 against a somewhat easy schedule considering they played the nfc west and 2 weaker division opponents twice....we finished 9-7 and could have very easily had their record or better playing a much more difficult schedule if we didn't have the TEAM problems you listed....

The bottom line it's a TEAM effort and yesterday we fell apart after a strong start....let this be a wake up call to every player, fan and coach affiliated with this organization. Time for Bledsoe to bounce back strong...just think about what he did in only one game with TO. By midseason, nobody will be stopping our offense!
 

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Bledsoe basically has to be a bus driver... With the amount of time he spends in the pocket, he should easily be able to check the ball down. Not hit defenders in the chest/hands with the ball (which he did 5 times yesterday, 2 being dropped) All he has to do is not make mistakes, but yesterday.. yeah.. well... we all know the story.
 

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SloppyOctopuss said:
You hit the nail on the head with the last sentence...yes Bledsoe is going to have to come up big this week to quell the flames.

I'm not going to sit here and play the role of 'nothing was Bledsoe's fault', but it's foolish too look past some of the same issues from last season that reared their ugly head again yesterday:

1) Missed field goals
2) sporadic running game
3) inconsistent play calling
4) inability to create pressure defensively on a consistent basis

I'm honestly more concerned about the defense right now than I am Bledsoe or the offense.


I agree. DB is has much to prove and takes much of the blame here, but where was this supposed dominant D? 1 sack from Ratlif and 24 unanswered points? Gotta do better then that. Coach Joe A was on "Talking Cowboys" today and he said it was the turnovers and the D not coming up big when they needed to. There is plenty of blame to go round. Add Flo and Colombo to the mix and we have several areas that need to improve.
 

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You can blame timing and being unfamiliar with each other on those throws to TO. Bledsoe doesnt know how TO likes to run routes and it was obvious he underestimated his speed.

It will take 1 or 2 more weeks for them to start to mesh.
 

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Arguing by exception is lame, Badsoe cannot take this team to the next level without major changes to the team's make up (i.e. not this year). The line is not a dominant line and you cannot pick up every blitzer every play. Peyton is not known for his mobility, but he can still roll out if necessary (badsoe cannot AT ALL, the play is already dead if he even begins to) and even he with the solid colts oline allows blitzers to get by. That forces Peyton to have to react and he either moves a bit or makes a quick decision, badsoe can't move at all and his quick decision throws are very bad.

Therefore the only strategy needed to beat the cowboys with Bledsoe at the helm despite all the weapons they have on offense is ---> blitz bledsoe. Any slight discomfort to him means bad decisions and no deep balls. Blitzing also means a stacked box much of the time and stalls runs. Bad decisions leads to 3 and outs/Turnovers after 1-2 plays on the first series which leads to a tired defense. The defense starts sucking because Badsoe is keeping them on the field for an eternity. The entire team is brought down because of the quarterback (run game, receiver stats, defense)

Really now, badsoe can't even do a simple sidestep to avoid a DT that is pushing a guard back into him. He just stands there like a ****** trying to chuck the ball over their head at the latest time possible. Any decent QB takes a sidestep while still keeping their eyes over the field. Romo's style is better for what this offense is equipped with, period.

By the way, those QBs you mention that had atrocious games yesterday all have solid histories to say it was a random thing. Plummer might be an exception since he was known a bit for making bad decisions, but at least he's mobile. Last season he made very few errors. Eli's game was not nearly as bad as badsoe's and he's still learning, not a 10+ year vet. Delhomme has a good history and was missing steve smith. Culpepper is coming off an injury and is adjusting to a new team. Badsoe has no real excuse to go by, same ole' ****, easily rattled, been that way for many years now.

Badsoe gets the skins game next week to show he's capable. If he has a similar performance, get Romo as ready as possible over the bye week and through the tennessee/philly/texans games so that he'll hopefully be ready for the tough stretch that ensues afterwards.
 

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SloppyOctopuss said:
Here are some facts for everybody trashing Bledsoe to consider:

1) Jaguars were 12-4 last year (only lost to the colts at home).

2) Seattle was beat soundly last year in Jax on opening day and Hassleback played bad.....guess what team went on to almost win the superbowl and which one was knocked out in the 1st round?

3) Jake Plummer, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning, Dante Culpepper...all looked atrocious or worse than Bledsoe yesterday....are they going to get benched?

4) Despite oline/rushing struggles, Bledsoe was still only sacked twice yesterday.

Big Deal....The Cowboys lost a game many hardcore nfl pundits expected them to. To a team that might be one of the best in the league (Personally I think they finally knock the colts off the AFC South this year). Let's not put all the blame on Bledsoe's shoulders, he could have done better but this was most certainly a wake up call and it came at the right time for this team. I look forward to seeing Drew bounce back this week and still have a big year!

1) Last year..heck they maybe 1-15 this year who knows

2) What is Hasselback's history?

3) Plummer (LOL) he couldn't even play for AZ... Delhomme threw just 1 int and did not have all his weapons on the field...Eli had 1 int and an 88+%QBR...Culpepper threw 2 ints but is coming back from a severe knee injury and is learning a new system....I think all can be legit excuses...well... except Plummer but we knew he was shaky anyway didn't we.

Bledsoe on the other hand threw 3 ints and that was luck as it should have been upwards of 5... Bledsoe has Terry Glenn, Terrell Owens, Jason Witten and a host of others that can and will catch most passes thrown their way...Let's not be so blind in our homerism that we cannot state facts like Bledsoe sucked...because he did

4) which makes the ints and piss poor accuracy even more unacceptable

there are no "wake up calls" in this league...that is a useless cliche from the 40's & 50's and is no longer if it ever was pertinent...

lets look at what we do know and not speculation as in predicting Jax's record and such...

this team started out of the blocks ok...but somethings started going wrong and this team was unable to adjust... both on offense and defense....is this coaching?...it might be that the better team won yesterday but that just doesn't sit right as the mistakes and poor qb play cost us this game...without those I think this team wins...

and not so much fact as feel but this team just doesn't play with passion and fire which is my preferance as I believe it is conducive to producing wins and sustained winning
 

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Jake0 said:
Arguing by exception is lame, Badsoe cannot take this team to the next level without major changes to the team's make up (i.e. not this year). The line is not a dominant line and you cannot pick up every blitzer every play. Peyton is not known for his mobility, but he can still roll out if necessary (badsoe cannot AT ALL, the play is already dead if he even begins to) and even he with the solid colts oline allows blitzers to get by. That forces Peyton to have to react and he either moves a bit or makes a quick decision, badsoe can't move at all and his quick decision throws are very bad.

Therefore the only strategy needed to beat the cowboys with Bledsoe at the helm despite all the weapons they have on offense is ---> blitz bledsoe. Any slight discomfort to him means bad decisions and no deep balls. Blitzing also means a stacked box much of the time and stalls runs. Bad decisions leads to 3 and outs/Turnovers after 1-2 plays on the first series which leads to a tired defense. The defense starts sucking because Badsoe is keeping them on the field for an eternity. The entire team is brought down because of the quarterback (run game, receiver stats, defense)

Really now, badsoe can't even do a simple sidestep to avoid a DT that is pushing a guard back into him. He just stands there like a ****** trying to chuck the ball over their head at the latest time possible. Any decent QB takes a sidestep while still keeping their eyes over the field. Romo's style is better for what this offense is equipped with, period.

By the way, those QBs you mention that had atrocious games yesterday all have solid histories to say it was a random thing. Plummer might be an exception since he was known a bit for making bad decisions, but at least he's mobile. Last season he made very few errors. Eli's game was not nearly as bad as badsoe's and he's still learning, not a 10+ year vet. Delhomme has a good history and was missing steve smith. Culpepper is coming off an injury and is adjusting to a new team. Badsoe has no real excuse to go by, same ole' ****, easily rattled, been that way for many years now.

Badsoe gets the skins game next week to show he's capable. If he has a similar performance, get Romo as ready as possible over the bye week and through the tennessee/philly/texans games so that he'll hopefully be ready for the tough stretch that ensues afterwards.

I agree
 

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SloppyOctopuss said:
Here are some facts for everybody trashing Bledsoe to consider:

1) Jaguars were 12-4 last year (only lost to the colts at home).

2) Seattle was beat soundly last year in Jax on opening day and Hassleback played bad.....guess what team went on to almost win the superbowl and which one was knocked out in the 1st round?

3) Jake Plummer, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning, Dante Culpepper...all looked atrocious or worse than Bledsoe yesterday....are they going to get benched?

4) Despite oline/rushing struggles, Bledsoe was still only sacked twice yesterday.

Big Deal....The Cowboys lost a game many hardcore nfl pundits expected them to. To a team that might be one of the best in the league (Personally I think they finally knock the colts off the AFC South this year). Let's not put all the blame on Bledsoe's shoulders, he could have done better but this was most certainly a wake up call and it came at the right time for this team. I look forward to seeing Drew bounce back this week and still have a big year!
Lame rationalization.

Last year was last year... who the Jags beat and when is irrelevant. Thanks to Drew's ineptitude we were tied 10-10 at half INSTEAD of up 17-0.

#4 is especially sad as he was sacked 2x but made BONEHEADED throws rushing passes even when he wasn't in peril of a sack. His throws to end the game was pathetic.

He'll bounceback and tease fans again but his decision making process has gone in reverse... something you can see even Tuna has realized by his choice of words.
 

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No matter what all else went wrong in that game, it was the epitome of a bad game for Bledsoe. Wasnt the type where he made a bunch of great throws but then still jacked it up by throwing a pick or 2 at inopportune times.

He looked "bad" even on his "good" plays. Thats the part of it where theres no real to reason to think it will continue. If it does, dont worry, he'll be sat down soon enough.
 

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Lay off drew for this week anyways. Jax is a underrated team. If you would watch other games u would notice that jax gives manning fits every year and always hangs in there with indy they jsut cant score agaisnt them. Last year they made hasselbeck look foolish. In the playoffs last year they made brady look bad until leftwhic started turing it over giveing the pats prime postion.
They have to stick with quick passes that were so effective the first few series. Also take away jj nice td run the running game was a non factor. The o line was bad and exposed what we alreay know pressure and beat up drew hell make mistakes.
 

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Drew had a bad game and is taking the heat for it, it comes with the job. I have confidence that Bledsoe will bounce back and show people why he is our starting QB.
 

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Jake0 said:
Arguing by exception is lame, Badsoe cannot take this team to the next level without major changes to the team's make up (i.e. not this year). The line is not a dominant line and you cannot pick up every blitzer every play. Peyton is not known for his mobility, but he can still roll out if necessary (badsoe cannot AT ALL, the play is already dead if he even begins to) and even he with the solid colts oline allows blitzers to get by. That forces Peyton to have to react and he either moves a bit or makes a quick decision, badsoe can't move at all and his quick decision throws are very bad.

Therefore the only strategy needed to beat the cowboys with Bledsoe at the helm despite all the weapons they have on offense is ---> blitz bledsoe. Any slight discomfort to him means bad decisions and no deep balls. Blitzing also means a stacked box much of the time and stalls runs. Bad decisions leads to 3 and outs/Turnovers after 1-2 plays on the first series which leads to a tired defense. The defense starts sucking because Badsoe is keeping them on the field for an eternity. The entire team is brought down because of the quarterback (run game, receiver stats, defense)

Really now, badsoe can't even do a simple sidestep to avoid a DT that is pushing a guard back into him. He just stands there like a ****** trying to chuck the ball over their head at the latest time possible. Any decent QB takes a sidestep while still keeping their eyes over the field. Romo's style is better for what this offense is equipped with, period.

By the way, those QBs you mention that had atrocious games yesterday all have solid histories to say it was a random thing. Plummer might be an exception since he was known a bit for making bad decisions, but at least he's mobile. Last season he made very few errors. Eli's game was not nearly as bad as badsoe's and he's still learning, not a 10+ year vet. Delhomme has a good history and was missing steve smith. Culpepper is coming off an injury and is adjusting to a new team. Badsoe has no real excuse to go by, same ole' ****, easily rattled, been that way for many years now.

Badsoe gets the skins game next week to show he's capable. If he has a similar performance, get Romo as ready as possible over the bye week and through the tennessee/philly/texans games so that he'll hopefully be ready for the tough stretch that ensues afterwards.


Pete King and Chris Mortensen might be proven right before long. Steve Dennis as well.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
Drew had a bad game and is taking the heat for it, it comes with the job. I have confidence that Bledsoe will bounce back and show people why he is our starting QB.


Dooms your always good for some encouragement:)
 

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Dooms your always good for some encouragement:)

1st off I'm not one who panics, we lost the season opener big deal. We have 15 games to go and I think this team still has talent. While some of the fan base is down on the Cowboys I'm 100% behind them and still like our chances.
 

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wileedog[B said:
]I'll be honest, I don't give a squat about anything you wrote[/B]. And to be sure I have supported Bledsoe strongly in the past.

My concern is in the here and now, and what we have is a 34 year old QB who has gotten pummeled in his career.

What other QBs did in the league this week doesn't matter. How good Jax is really doesn't matter, many of Beldsoe's throws were just flat out boneheaded. Houston would have picked them off. The lack of pressure on Drew is more of an indictment of him than anything else.

I like Drew more than most here, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about the atrocity he committed yesterday. That was a beyond terrible game, and pointing out 4 other QBs who didn't play well has nothing to do with anything.

Drew's gotta lot to prove this coming week. Here's to hoping he does.

I agree with all that.

I don't want to hear "excuses".

I don't want to hear about weak comparisons and how I should feel better about our QB situation just because some other teams QB looked like ****.

This is the Dallas Cowboys and I expect more out of them.
 

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I agree with all that.

I don't want to hear "excuses".

I don't want to hear about weak comparisons and how I should feel better about our QB situation just because some other teams QB looked like ****.

This is the Dallas Cowboys and I expect more out of them.



As does Jerry. If Drew plays poorly against the Skins, Katie bar the door.
 

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I'll be honest, I don't give a squat about anything you wrote. And to be sure I have supported Bledsoe strongly in the past.

My concern is in the here and now, and what we have is a 34 year old QB who has gotten pummeled in his career.

What other QBs did in the league this week doesn't matter. How good Jax is really doesn't matter, many of Beldsoe's throws were just flat out boneheaded. Houston would have picked them off. The lack of pressure on Drew is more of an indictment of him than anything else.

I like Drew more than most here, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about the atrocity he committed yesterday. That was a beyond terrible game, and pointing out 4 other QBs who didn't play well has nothing to do with anything.

Drew's gotta lot to prove this coming week. Here's to hoping he does.

this is a GREAT QUOTE!!!!!!!!
 
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