Barber/Jones

[Chocolate Lab]

im not saying that Jones shouldnt be used but his carries need to be limited to no more than 200 for a season or thereabouts. He fades and everyone wants to talk about the oline but he faded behind the same oline in the second half.

Yes, Julius isn't the "workhorse" some would like. But I haven't seen anyone in this thread saying otherwise.

In fact, most people seem to say the opposite, that Jones should be shipped out of here. Some would even do it for a mid-round pick simply to get him out of town.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just don't understand why people want to mess w/ a good system

Because when your 13th in yards and YPA with arguably the best receiving corps in the league causing safeies to hang back, that is not 'good.'

That is mediocre and needs to be improved. Now the oline needs help but sticking your head in the sand and denying that Jones was clearly struggling for the predominance of the second half is mind-boggling.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, Julius isn't the "workhorse" some would like. But I haven't seen anyone in this thread saying otherwise.

In fact, most people seem to say the opposite, that Jones should be shipped out of here. Some would even do it for a mid-round pick simply to get him out of town.

i just said that and I also say Jones has no business starting in the NFL. That doesnt mean he cant have a valuable role.

 

[WhizKid]

Jones and Barber will produce on a consistent basis when the line can produce on a consistent basis. Until then I will not judge either of them.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

The entire time Barber's production remaned consistent.

As I pointed out in the original post, Barber did not remain consistent. His drop from his 101st carry onward was almost 1.1 yards per carry.

 

[TOOMBS]

Because when your 13th in yards and YPA with arguably the best receiving corps in the league causing safeies to hang back, that is not 'good.'

That is mediocre and needs to be improved. Now the oline needs help but sticking your head in the sand and denying that Jones was clearly struggling for the predominance of the second half is mind-boggling.

The backs are more than adequate (IMO). In fact, I think they are one of the best 1-2 punches in the league. I find it mind-boggling how much you underestimate the importance of an offensive line.

A slightly below average (some would say moderately below average) line, and we produced a slightly above average running game with these two. I think, of course just my opinion, that if our line was above average, our backs would produce a top 5 running game.

Seriously though, you raise a good point about opposing safeties.

*not attacking your post, just used it as an example while playing on the word mind-boggling*

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As I pointed out in the original post, Barber did not remain consistent. His drop from his 101st carry onward was almost 1.1 yards per carry.

Then if that is the case and both of them cannot handle over 150 carries a season then we need a new back.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

sticking your head in the sand and denying that Jones was clearly struggling for the predominance of the second half is mind-boggling.

am I doing that? no, so shhhsh

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

am I doing that? no, so shhhsh

Whatever Summer. You are saying that the current system as is fine. By saying that you are in essence ignoring the signifgance of jones (and apparently Barber as well) needing their touches limited to be effective.

Thus the comment of you sticking your head in the sand. That is not to say you dont acknowledge that it exists but rather you act as if you ignore it that it will simply go away.

We ran the ball over 420 times last season. If both Barber and Jones lose effectiveness significantly after 150 carries, then we have a problem and one that would only completely blow up in our faces if one of them were to get hurt.

i said this beofer and I will say it again. We should drafta a RB on the first day. If Lynch drops to us we should grab him and not look back.

 

[smarta5150]

A lot of people seem to be under the impression that Barber should be the starter despite the fact that the way they split carries last year proved highly successful.

I think the thing that most fail to realize is that Barber's reckless style isn't conducive to the constant pounding of an everydown back. Look at his statistics from last year. Over the first 100 carries he averaged 5.14 yards per carry. On carries over 100, he averaged only 4.0 yards per carry.

Barber's a tremendous asset to the Cowboys if he's used correctly and he was used almost perfectly last year, maybe the only thing Parcells did right, and I hope that Phillips understands that.

I am with you on this.

I have said many times over a couple statements regarding this topic:

#1. MBIII was NEVER the feature back. Maybe in HS but who cares, in college ! Minnesota he was used the same exact way we are using him. He split carries there and now here in Dallas.

#2. MBIII is like that lights out, 100 MPH closer for an MLB team. He runs with extreme violence EVERY play and would be a very tough, if not impossible to run that same way 20+ times a game.

The running game was "ok" and can only get better with OL upgrades and coaching.

I am still not convinced JJ is a pile-seeker just yet, this season will answer that question (he has a new coaching staff and hopefully it will have a positive affect on his play).

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am with you on this.

I have said many times over a couple statements regarding this topic:

#1. MBIII was NEVER the feature back. Maybe in HS but who cares, in college ! Minnesota he was used the same exact way we are using him. He split carries there and now here in Dallas.

#2. MBIII is like that lights out, 100 MPH closer for an MLB team. He runs with extreme violence EVERY play and would be a very tough, if not impossible to run that same way 20+ times a game.

The running game was "ok" and can only get better with OL upgrades and coaching.

I am still not convinced JJ is a pile-seeker just yet, this season will answer that question (he has a new coaching staff and hopefully it will have a positive affect on his play).

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that we need a runner that can carry the rock 250 times or more a season and not lose effectiveness?

We ran the ball 425 times last season and Phillips likes to hammer the running game too. We start asking that from Jones again and hes going to do the same thing hes done each and every year we have had him: get hurt or suck for the second half of the season.

jury is out on Barber but according to stan there is a plummet in YPC after 100 carries.

These are things taht i dont see how people can just say that coaching or a Davis are going to fix.

These are things that i just don't see how people can just say our running game is fine.

We have Owens, Glenn and Witten as primary receivers. All year long people were keeping their safties back. 13th friggin place in YPC when that extra defender is 15 to 20 yards off the line is absolutely abysmal.

 

[smarta5150]

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that we need a runner that can carry the rock 250 times or more a season and not lose effectiveness?

We ran the ball 425 times last season and Phillips likes to hammer the running game too. We start asking that from Jones again and hes going to do the same thing hes done each and every year we have had him: get hurt or suck for the second half of the season.

jury is out on Barber but according to stan there is a plummet in YPC after 100 carries.

These are things taht i dont see how people can just say that coaching or a Davis are going to fix.

These are things that i just don't see how people can just say our running game is fine.

We have Owens, Glenn and Witten as primary receivers. All year long people were keeping their safties back. 13th friggin place in YPC when that extra defender is 15 to 20 yards off the line is absolutely abysmal.

Much of your post has nothing to do with my post.

Why quote me?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Much of your post has nothing to do with my post.

Why quote me?

because its another voice in the 'our running game is fine' chorus.

 

[smarta5150]

because its another voice in the 'our running game is fine' chorus.

Actually I said its "'ok.'" As in not great and not horrible.

I have argued just yesterday that our running game could and needs to better.

I do no think however that our backfield is at fault.

I believe our personnel and coaching needs to be upgraded (which we might have done) and better production from each of the offensive linemen.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually I said its "'ok.'" As in not great and not horrible.

I have argued just yesterday that our running game could and needs to better.

I do no think however that our backfield is at fault.

I believe our personnel and coaching needs to be upgraded (which we might have done) and better production from each of the offensive linemen.

Which is exactly why i made the post i did. Our backs suck after 150 carries. we will run the ball about 450 times next season. Davis and the same line coach isnt going to change any of this.

 

[smarta5150]

Which is exactly why i made the post i did. Our backs suck after 150 carries. we will run the ball about 450 times next season. Davis and the same line coach isnt going to change any of this.

Well I'm not one for making bold and sometimes foolish predictions that are definite.

So I guess only time will tell us.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well I'm not one for making bold and sometimes foolish predictions that are definite.

So I guess only time will tell us.

just leave it at that

 

[smarta5150]

just leave it at that

Summer is so much funner.

It was 20 degrees today and windy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Summer is so much funner.

It was 20 degrees today and windy.

it snowed over here, again

it's like a once a week thing :bang2:

 

[smarta5150]

it snowed over here, again

it's like a once a week thing :bang2:

It snowed under my skin?