Barber Third Down Run

[bbgun]

Not sure what you mean by "live action/full speed" replays, but it's about as dead even with the goal line as you can get.

Meaning the pic was taken as the play happened in real time, and not from a slow motion replay.

CBS sucks when it comes to making screengrabs, so this is the best I can do. If the ball crossed, it wasn't obvious.

http://img96.*************/img96/6687/89018870.jpg

 

[gimmesix]

Adam's pictures show enough to overturn the call. You don't have to actually see the ball cross the plane to know with more than a reasonable certainty that it crossed. Of course, you never know with refs, but either way, the challenge is a no-brainer.

It appeared to me after going over it several times that Barber didn't extend the ball to break the plane. His head broke the plane, but the ball was tucked into his chest and it never crossed.

 

[theogt]

Meaning the pic was taken as the play happened in real time, and not from a slow motion replay.

CBS sucks when it comes to making screengrabs, so this is the best I can do. If the ball crossed, it wasn't obvious.

The still in which the ball would have crossed the plane is between the first and second here.

Regardless, it's clear from the side view that it did cross, unless the ball somehow left his grasp and was behind his elbow.

 

[theogt]

Here, the ball is 4-5 inches ahead of the stripes on Barber's shoulder pads. Barber is not extending the ball forward and it is well beyond the stripes on his shoulder.

Here, the stripes on Barber's should pads clearly cross the goal line. If the ball didn't cross, Barber must have lost possession.

After the second pic, Barber is pushed back. But it is clear on his initial lunge, the ball crossed.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

This thread depresses me even more.

You and me both.

 

[AdamJT13]

Adam's pic was a live action shot, right? I've rarely seen them overturn goal line calls based on live action/full speed replays taken from behind (or sort of behind) the play.

Uh, that was the slow-motion replay from the goal-line camera. It was neither live action, nor full speed, nor behind (or sort of behind) the play.

Given Wade's love of throwing the red hanky, I'm still baffled why he didn't challenge it. We had all of our timeouts, and it was almost the two-minute warning. Even if it hadn't been close, I wouldn't have minded calling a timeout to think about our fourth-down play. So why not challenge it when it's that close? At the very least, it's using a timeout.

 

[gimmesix]

Uh, that was the slow-motion replay from the goal-line camera. It was neither live action, nor full speed, nor behind (or sort of behind) the play.

Given Wade's love of throwing the red hanky, I'm still baffled why he didn't challenge it. We had all of our timeouts, and it was almost the two-minute warning. Even if it hadn't been close, I wouldn't have minded calling a timeout to think about our fourth-down play. So why not challenge it when it's that close? At the very least, it's using a timeout.

Although I don't believe he crossed, I completely agree on challenging the play. We had nothing to lose by doing it.

 

[bbgun]

Uh, that was the slow-motion replay from the goal-line camera. It was neither live action, nor full speed, nor behind (or sort of behind) the play.

I'm talking about the pix he posted in post #9. If they're not yours, then maybe he made them himself.

 

[AdamJT13]

I'm talking about the pix he posted in post #9. If they're not yours, then maybe he made them himself.

OK, no those weren't mine. Mine were the ones in post No. 24 (or those are the same as the ones I posted).

 

[Silverstar]

Barbers' helmet definitely broke the plane.

Unfortunately, the ball didn't.

 

[AdamJT13]

Although I don't believe he crossed, I completely agree on challenging the play. We had nothing to lose by doing it.

I believe the ball DID touch the plane (I don't see how it could not, given where his elbow is -- how could his forearm turn that far back toward his waist in the split second between frames?), but I don't know how the refs would have seen it, given that you can't specifically see the ball.

At the very least, I think they would have moved the ball forward. How could it not be at least within an inch or two of the line?

 

[bbgun]

Barbers' helmet definitely broke the plane.

Unfortunately, the ball didn't.

I think the refs would have concurred had we challenged.

http://img706.*************/img706/8494/ch41sundec132009045059p.jpg

 

[Silverstar]

At the very least, I think they would have moved the ball forward. How could it not be at least within an inch or two of the line?

Yep, it should have been moved to within inches.

Romo could have sneaked it from there.

Oh well....history. :

 

[theogt]

I think the refs would have concurred had we challenged.

http://img706.*************/img706/8494/ch41sundec132009045059p.jpg

This picture is well after the pictures I'm posting. Again, there was an initial lunge, after which Barber was pushed back. You're posting a picture after he was pushed back.

In this picture, the stripes on his shoulder obviously are not across the goal line. In the above picture, the stripes on his obviously are crossing the goal line. In virtually every screen cap you show, you either show too far before the moment he cross or too far after. It's almost as if you're purposefully choosing not to post the pics that show he crossed the plane.

Once the video goes up on NFL Game Rewind, I can post HD pictures that show the frames where the ball crossed the line.

 

[CF74]

Here, the ball is 4-5 inches ahead of the stripes on Barber's shoulder pads. Barber is not extending the ball forward and it is well beyond the stripes on his shoulder.

Here, the stripes on Barber's should pads clearly cross the goal line. If the ball didn't cross, Barber must have lost possession.

After the second pic, Barber is pushed back. But it is clear on his initial lunge, the ball crossed.

Where? What are you looking at?

 

[bbgun]

This picture is well after the pictures I'm posting. Again, there was an initial lunge, after which Barber was pushed back. You're posting a picture after he was pushed back.

True, but it's also true that #25 blocked the crucial parts of that play. In all likelihood, the refs weren't gonna award us a touchdown based on Barber's sleeve stripes.

 

[theogt]

Where? What are you looking at?

The vertical lines indicate the tips of the ball.

http://img709.*************/img709/3945/barber3.jpg

 

[JBell]

A better question is why didn't Barber try to extend the ball?

 

[theogt]

True, but it's also true that #25 blocked the crucial parts of that play. In all likelihood, the refs weren't gonna award us a touchdown based on Barber's sleeve stripes.

It depends on how you define "irrefutable evidence." If you have to have a crystal clear HD picture that shows that the ball crossed the line, then they likely would not have overturned.

If they looked at the pictures in this thread, I don't see how they couldn't be reasonably certain that the ball crossed the line, however. Unless Barber lost control of the ball, it must have crossed the line. It is impossible for it not to have crossed the line if he kept possession of the ball.

 

[CF74]

The vertical lines indicate the tips of the ball.

http://img709.*************/img709/3945/barber3.jpg

Can u do the same for the second pic please?